UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #19

[Popejohn3]

Good points here. Im thinking alleyway man was looking around the back of CL house to confirm CL was at home in the evening on 18/03/09, he went into the back alley to see if her kitchen light was on. He then verified this to the other perpetrators who inturn arranged to go to CL house and to park up outside then surprise confront her at 9pm at her front door. From there the situation escalated on her doorstep and it all happend quickly inasmuch CL was taken into the SUV along with her phone and as I believe as it was planned, her racksack was taken too. This would tie in to make it look she had left for work the next morning.
Alleyway man then returns the next morning to check on the house - lights are off etc.
Of course this is just a scenario but pausable nonetheless. The other issue which foxws me is what was the motive?
I really hope the team make some progress in 2023.
One more question, do you think anything was actually found at Sand Hutton to warrent such a large search with all those officers for two weeks - as surely this couldnt of been on a tip off alone?

You say Allie man went round the back to check on the house but he ( they ) would have her house keys won’t they ?

 

[someotherguy]

I have some questions that have probably been answered but I can't seem to find the answers for:

1. How often did Claudia visit the Nag's Head?
2. When was she last confirmed to have visited?

To me it does revolve around this pub because depending on the answers to the first two questions..

3. Was she avoiding the Nag's Head?

 

[Alpha Zero]

I have some questions that have probably been answered but I can't seem to find the answers for:

1. How often did Claudia visit the Nag's Head?
2. When was she last confirmed to have visited?

To me it does revolve around this pub because depending on the answers to the first two questions..

3. Was she avoiding the Nag's Head?

Hi!

1. It was her local, only a few doors down and she was there a lot, her friend Jen King was a barmaid there for a while too.

2. She was last seen at the Nag's Head pub on Cheltenham Gold Cup Day, a week prior to her disappearance, on March 13, 2009. There was apparently a huge argument regarding her and a particular gentleman who was one of the 4 arrested. It’s believed she said something to him that could have been enough to trigger her dissapearance. Either blackmail or the common theory is she told him to leave her the hell alone, and his ego couldn’t handle it , and being embarrassed in a pub full of people

3. In my opinion, absolutely she was avoiding it. She went out after that incident in pubs in Malton which were a lot further away, and stayed away from the Nags Head and particular people who frequented it.

My belief is that her dissapearance isn’t just solely linked to the pub itself, but the pub incident was possibly the catalyst to her demise as well as other things which I’m not privy to, but the police probably are

 

[HailToTheThief]

Hi!

1. It was her local, only a few doors down and she was there a lot, her friend Jen King was a barmaid there for a while too.

2. She was last seen at the Nag's Head pub on Cheltenham Gold Cup Day, a week prior to her disappearance, on March 13, 2009. There was apparently a huge argument regarding her and a particular gentleman who was one of the 4 arrested. It’s believed she said something to him that could have been enough to trigger her dissapearance. Either blackmail or the common theory is she told him to leave her the hell alone, and his ego couldn’t handle it , and being embarrassed in a pub full of people

3. In my opinion, absolutely she was avoiding it. She went out after that incident in pubs in Malton which were a lot further away, and stayed away from the Nags Head and particular people who frequented it.

My belief is that her dissapearance isn’t just solely linked to the pub itself, but the pub incident was possibly the catalyst to her demise as well as other things which I’m not privy to, but the police probably are

Was there ever a thorough statement from the police on why the Pubs CCTV was switched off the night of her disappearance? I heard it wasn't the first time it happened, but I'd love to know how frequently and the reasons why it was turned off.

 

[Alpha Zero]

Was there ever a thorough statement from the police on why the Pubs CCTV was switched off the night of her disappearance? I heard it wasn't the first time it happened, but I'd love to know how frequently and the reasons why it was turned off.

I don’t think there has ever been a statement from the police regarding this but don’t quote me on it as I’d have to look into it more to be sure. Most of what I’ve read is just gossip, rumours and well thought out suggestions as to why it may have been switched off.

I believe the pub could have had a lot of drug usage or drug deals perhaps taking place inside and in the car park, there were also suggestions of people visiting the pub by car and driving home, obviously intoxicated as it was a popular pub and because the CCTV frequently faced the car park, the owner did not want to be liable for customers who had a drink and then drove home, so the safest option was to turn it off altogether.

Also, if you’re of the mindset of wanting to “off” Claudia, knowing that the CCTV is switched off is completely benefiting the perpetrators here.

I’m always of the mindset that the pub could be involved somehow in regards to the car park, it’s an ideal way to take or remove a person through as it’s dark, no cctv, slightly isolated and only able to be viewed by houses in the vicinity but the odds of seeing anything would still be slim and you’d have to be lucky to witness anything of merit.

The car that brakes early morning after her dissapearance always creeps me out by how fast it’s going then suddenly braking, and I do genuinely believe it turned into the nags car park , possibly to collect something, or someone ? but that’s just my theory.

I feel for the poor girl , she clearly got in with the wrong crowd and never deserved anything like this, as no woman does, and her poor Mum never getting answers is heartbreaking.

Hopefully one day this case gets put to bed, for all of us who have spent so long following it

 

[Novosti]

It should go quiet. No new information is forthcoming - people just talk themselves in circles over the same old theories ad nauseum.

Until we get a new lead or a confession then what else is there to say?

The lead suspects aren't that hard to identify, here. What's lacking is sufficient evidence to trouble a court.

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Is it not right that there is Army- owned shooting land near Sand Hutton Gravel Pits? Could this be to where CL was abducted?

 

[Novosti]

Is it not right that there is Army- owned shooting land near Sand Hutton Gravel Pits? Could this be to where CL was abducted?

The police searched that area extensively in 2021 but didn't find anything. The particular area is privately owned I think - with farming and renewable energy interests. The pits themselves are also used by a fishing club. The site is close to the main road between York and Malton.

 

[Alpha Zero]

Nobody heard anything new recently? no new theories popped up or anyone else got any ideas?

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Nobody heard anything new recently? no new theories popped up or anyone else got any ideas?

Nope. Police can only hope to get lucky in some way or for someone to spill the beans. This largely presupposes that someone else knows what happened and can also provide incriminating testimony.

 

[Skigh]

Cop who helped father of Claudia Lawrence admits child sex offences

Paul Beckwith, 53, admitted three counts of having indecent images of children and five counts of voyeurism at York Magistrates' Court on Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ruthbullock]

Is it not right that there is Army- owned shooting land near Sand Hutton Gravel Pits? Could this be to where CL was abducted?

No, it’s on the opposite side of a major busy road- the A64, and even then to get to the camp is an hours walk or so through fields.

 

[Ruthbullock]

The police searched that area extensively in 2021 but didn't find anything. The particular area is privately owned I think - with farming and renewable energy interests. The pits themselves are also used by a fishing club. The site is close to the main road between York and Malton.

They didn’t search the fishing ponds, but I wish they had.

 

[Novosti]

They didn’t search the fishing ponds, but I wish they had.

I thought they did drain and search at least one of the ponds?

 

[Inspector Evans]

Nobody heard anything new recently? no new theories popped up or anyone else got any ideas?

Will probably be an annual update next March but that has long been in more hope than expectation.

Like everyone I hope there is resolution one day although more likely CL's sister will get the closure from that realistically.

Feels like the big moment was September 2021 when there was that search of Sand Hutton but nothing found seemingly. Was that a random tip off?

 

[Alpha Zero]

Will probably be an annual update next March but that has long been in more hope than expectation.

Like everyone I hope there is resolution one day although more likely CL's sister will get the closure from that realistically.

Feels like the big moment was September 2021 when there was that search of Sand Hutton but nothing found seemingly. Was that a random tip off?

Not sure, it can’t have been too random as it justified a large-scale search. The police don’t rush into those things lightly. Then trigger appears to have been a combination of new intelligence which, when assessed alongside existing material, indicated that the Sand Hutton gravel pits area could be relevant.

I’m not sure they found anything however it’s possible they could have found something, but cant reveal what

 

[Novosti]

Hi!

1. It was her local, only a few doors down and she was there a lot, her friend Jen King was a barmaid there for a while too.

2. She was last seen at the Nag's Head pub on Cheltenham Gold Cup Day, a week prior to her disappearance, on March 13, 2009. There was apparently a huge argument regarding her and a particular gentleman who was one of the 4 arrested. It’s believed she said something to him that could have been enough to trigger her dissapearance. Either blackmail or the common theory is she told him to leave her the hell alone, and his ego couldn’t handle it , and being embarrassed in a pub full of people

3. In my opinion, absolutely she was avoiding it. She went out after that incident in pubs in Malton which were a lot further away, and stayed away from the Nags Head and particular people who frequented it.

My belief is that her dissapearance isn’t just solely linked to the pub itself, but the pub incident was possibly the catalyst to her demise as well as other things which I’m not privy to, but the police probably are

Do you have any open sources for the argument in point (2) - agree it's talked about a lot but has anyone gone on the record about it? I think from everything we know about Claudia's character, blackmail is unlikely. She was fun-loving to the point of childishness and never seemed to have financial schemes or plans (her relative financial comfort coming from generous parents).

 

[Alpha Zero]

Do you have any open sources for the argument in point (2) - agree it's talked about a lot but has anyone gone on the record about it? I think from everything we know about Claudia's character, blackmail is unlikely. She was fun-loving to the point of childishness and never seemed to have financial schemes or plans (her relative financial comfort coming from generous parents).

There’s no official source I can directly link you to. There have been people who have followed this case longer than I who have all directly mentioned it in some capacity

What I find fascinating is that if the argument did occur which I’m almost certain it did as she never set foot in that pub again, then given the day that it was, that pub would have been rammed full, yet no one has come forward. Although I imagine at least a few may have gone to the police over it when all of a sudden she’s gone missing and is on the news.

It’s a very bizarre case

 

[Unalienable Rights]

Facial reconstruction shows how missing Claudia Lawrence might look at 51

A newly released age-progressed image shows how Claudia Lawrence, who disappeared in March 2009 aged 35, might look today at 51 as investigators hope it could lead to a breakthrough

www.themirror.com

November 27, 2025

A newly unveiled age-progressed facial reconstruction of Claudia Lawrence, a woman from York, England who has been missing for over fifteen years, is sparking fresh hope for a breakthrough in this chilling case that has gripped the UK and the world.

The image, crafted by the International Investigation Missing Persons (IIMP) and forensic expert Marcel van Adrichem, depicts how the tragic Claudia might appear today at 51 years old.

*****
Van Adrichem asserts that his reconstruction is the most detailed age progression ever created of Claudia, merging advanced forensic modeling, familial aging markers, AI-driven facial analytics, and manual forensic artistry - a technique increasingly employed in cold cases across Europe.

See article for more.

 

[FromGermany1]

Facial reconstruction shows how missing Claudia Lawrence might look at 51

A newly released age-progressed image shows how Claudia Lawrence, who disappeared in March 2009 aged 35, might look today at 51 as investigators hope it could lead to a breakthrough

www.themirror.com

November 27, 2025

A newly unveiled age-progressed facial reconstruction of Claudia Lawrence, a woman from York, England who has been missing for over fifteen years, is sparking fresh hope for a breakthrough in this chilling case that has gripped the UK and the world.

The image, crafted by the International Investigation Missing Persons (IIMP) and forensic expert Marcel van Adrichem, depicts how the tragic Claudia might appear today at 51 years old.

*****
Van Adrichem asserts that his reconstruction is the most detailed age progression ever created of Claudia, merging advanced forensic modeling, familial aging markers, AI-driven facial analytics, and manual forensic artistry - a technique increasingly employed in cold cases across Europe.

See article for more.


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I would like to see Claudia without a smile. If she is alive and living her life somewhere, she wouldn't be smiling all the time.