UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #19

[JimmyDurham]

Finding the REAL culprit surely should be the famous four’s aim ?

Christ almighty. They're not the police man: it's not their job.

 

[JimmyDurham]

mud sticks

Sort of.

It only sticks for people who have already made their minds up, confirmation bias and so on.

To the rest of us: no case to answer means no case to answer. No rabbits being pulled out of hats and so on.

 

[Alpha Zero]

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7606259644113227030

Update from Mark Williams Thomas.

To summarise, and by the sounds of the recordings , the police had an undercover police officer with them which is what got them arrested , who overheard them saying things about Claudia, in particular “don’t worry we’ve got the back passage covered”

Also conversations the suspects about boats where the police believe she could have been taken out to sea.

Confirming really that the police pretty much know who’s done it and what’s happened. You don’t arrest and take 4 people to the CPS for nothing

 

[JimmyDurham]

Confirming really that the police pretty much know who’s done it and what’s happened. You don’t arrest and take 4 people to the CPS for nothing

Shocking.

 

[Popejohn3]

Sort of.

It only sticks for people who have already made their minds up, confirmation bias and so on.

To the rest of us: no case to answer means no case to answer. No rabbits being pulled out of hats and so on.

I only saw these comments today ! By “these people who already made their minds up … “
You must be including the very important ‘people ‘ ie the police !

 

[Popejohn3]

Christ almighty. They're not the police man: it's not their job.

You’re right it’s not their job . But they are supposed to be her friends aren’t they ?
They can help more surly ?

 

[Popejohn3]

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7606259644113227030

Update from Mark Williams Thomas.

To summarise, and by the sounds of the recordings , the police had an undercover police officer with them which is what got them arrested , who overheard them saying things about Claudia, in particular “don’t worry we’ve got the back passage covered”

Also conversations the suspects about boats where the police believe she could have been taken out to sea.

Confirming really that the police pretty much know who’s done it and what’s happened. You don’t arrest and take 4 people to the CPS for nothing

Very earlier on in the investigation a police dog handler said his dog gollowed

 

[Popejohn3]

Very earlier on in the investigation a police dog handler said his dog gollowed

Followed her scent to the river in fact it was two dogs not one ,
Any way very poor from Williams : surly he could have transcribed the whole conversation with his informer ?

 

[Popejohn3]

I repeat mud sticks … get a move on and help the police !

 

[JimmyDurham]

I repeat mud sticks … get a move on and help the police !

The fabled four are still here nigh on 20 years later and not a shred of evidence against them has been found in that time. That's a long time.

What does that tell you, John?

Barking up the wrong tree.

All of these cases invariably lead to one thing: a lone lunatic murders lone woman. Possibly known to Claudia and possibly not.

 

[Popejohn3]

The fabled four are still here nigh on 20 years later and not a shred of evidence against them has been found in that time. That's a long time.

What does that tell you, John?

Barking up the wrong tree.

All of these cases invariably lead to one thing: a lone lunatic murders lone woman. Possibly known to Claudia and possibly not.

And I happen to agree ! But somehow many still believe that the famous 4 are guilty !

 

[Stella123]

Apologies I haven't read back through all the threads and posts but have read the last few pages about the footage in the road - I couldn't really see anything. Something came up about this case on X and it made me curious as at first I remembered another parent from York whose daughter had been missing for decades and was later found to be one of the Wests victims decades later - but then realised this was a later missing case. I lived in York (before this disappearance), so a few thoughts:

1) There is an army barracks on Fulford Road - it's not that close, looking on the map and not directly on the route back from the city centre either. But people coming back from nights out at 3am maybe ... and it used to be known to be a bit rough at times - drunken soldiers (sorry).
2) Who has breakfast at 3am? Particularly when working as a chef. Pots in the sink more likely to be from the night before and maybe the bed was never slept in. ie she might have gone to someone's house later that night (tryst eg). She was never sighted that morning. Could have gone to stay the night with someone, taking her work bag for next morning.
3) Elsewhere online it was mentioned that students at the time heard rumours there had been a few deaths related to the river. Someone mentioned police dog took them to the river.
4) York was never considered dangerous at night, even for lone females - although obviously you avoided dark alleyways. So does seem likely someone she knew, but also possible some drunken person in the street (or a group of them). Or it happened somewhere else - if she stayed overnight with someone. Although her phone was showing in her location all morning next day so if she did stay overnight with someone - could be someone who lived nearby.

I just think she didn't go to bed that night.

JMO

 

[Stella123]

Also assume this has already been discussed

"Joan Lawrence, 81, believes that the intruders targeted her daughter's home on two occasions after she found a secret attic that could contain new evidence about her disappearance."

Sounds like somebody was alarmed and wanted to try and remove any possible evidence or check out the attic?

Missing Claudia Lawrence's home has been broken into twice by intruder

Chef Claudia Lawrence, 35, vanished without a trace after failing to turn up to work at the University of York's Goodricke College on March 19, 2009.

www.dailymail.co.uk

JMO

 

[Stella123]

Assume this is the landlord being mentined earlier? I noticed this mention of "feeding to the pigs" because there is a pig farm on the outskirts of the York ring road near Haxby (or used to be) - a large area of mud with pigs free roaming. Well known for the aroma in that area.

"'He said: "Sign the f***ing documents otherwise I will get the gypsies to come and get you. They'll feed you to the pigs.

"There won't be any evidence left of you because the pigs eat everything including the bones, just like what they did with Claudia Lawrence."

'And he stood back as if to say "I shouldn't have said that"."

Woman makes horrifying claim that missing chef was murdered

A woman has claimed her abusive ex-partner might have been involved in the disappearance of missing York chef Claudia Lawrence.

www.dailymail.co.uk