UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[Yozzer]

The police thought that they had enough evidence to pass the case onto the CPS. So the police know what they are doing. It is enough hard factual evidence that they must be short of or a confession/knowledge from someone that could be used to correlate with and back up the evidence that they already have.

The police must know who the longstanding boyfriend was. I don't know if they discovered who the 'new' boyfriend was. Either of these two (or their partners/spouses) must be prime suspects. Any collaborators would be guilty of joint enterprise unless they could be more cooperative in which case they could be offered a lighter sentence. It's up to them to show some courage and do the right thing.

 

[Yozzer]

Alternatively, with regards to the CCTV, if they hold no evidence of passers by/cars, then the lack of CCTV evidence can only point to the use of the back alley or back garden access?

Which fits with my post earlier about using a wheelie bin to transport her from a to b and using cover of darkness to appear to load up a builder's van for 'work purposes' or a purported trip to the council tip, to dispose of CL by whatever means. Others may have been involved in the deception using other vehicles under the cover of going about their daily 'work'.

 

[Yozzer]

If it was a young man driving a parent's car, why were no young men arrested?

I was playing devil's advocate.

 

[Yozzer]

but what would the route be if they used the back alley, bearing in mind the CCTV in Limes Court?

If it was a HP resident, it could be managed within normal parameters of driving to work for the day. So nothing suspicious which could be called otherwise.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

but what would the route be if they used the back alley, bearing in mind the CCTV in Limes Court?

Isn't The Limes CCTV the opposite entrance of the alley to the Nags Head? I would have thought if back entrance used the Nags Head would have to have been the direction as Claudia would be on The Limes CCTV if she left the house that way?

 

[Yozzer]

Re MajorLang still of the car breaking in cl road...does her door show up from the same camera IN THE DAY LIGHT hours ?

No.

 

[MajorLang]

She went missing nearly 3 weeks after her birthday, I guess something may have happened that weekend.

That's what people have been saying

 

[MajorLang]

I like that idea, so not a local then, and the police would know who he is from her phone records right?

Unless a burner phone

 

[MajorLang]

Re MajorLang still of the car breaking in cl road...does her door show up from the same camera IN THE DAY LIGHT hours ?

Her door not on cameras

 

[MajorLang]

I like that idea, so not a local then, and the police would know who he is from her phone records right?

Her boyfriend possibly not but her killer(s) likely so

 

[MajorLang]

I like that idea, so not a local then, and the police would know who he is from her phone records right?

Her boyfriend possibly not but her killer(s) likely so

 

[MajorLang]

There has to be SOME evidence of something to submit a file to the CPS. A file with no evidence at all surely cannot be submitted. The CPS stated not enough evidence. I guess the police are appealing to people to come forward in order to extend the evidence that they already have. So I guess in order to gain insight on the case, you would have to begin with what the police already have, and have submitted, and a general guess as to what CCTV images show, or don't show.

Welcome@brandysnapblue if you want to get quickly up to date on this case, read this blog as much of this thread has been archived. I have tried to capture all here. It's a 25 minute read but may save you allot of time?
https://link.medium.com/VHpLJLvsPY

 

[Yozzer]

@Brandysnapblue
Claudia cannot have walked to work or she would have been seen on CCTV on the same cameras that saw her walking home the day before.
The route she walked is part residential/part rural. Melrosegate Bridge comes before the small run of shops where she was picked up on cctv posting a letter.

One line of enquiry was that she could have walked as far as Melrosegate Bridge where a witness apparently saw someone fitting her description talking to the left handed smoker.

So the suggestion was that she may have accepted a lift to work at MB, bypassing the cctv at the shops. Following on from that was another witness who claimed to have seen a couple arguing on University Road near CLs place of work near a car with the passenger door open.

 

[Yozzer]

My bet is she was on the phone with the person who turned up as he was lost and calling her to get directions which prompted her to come to door before he knocked

Why do you think she was surprised if she was expecting him? Maybe she had intended directing him round the back door route when he landed on her doorstep.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Re MajorLang still of the car breaking in cl road...does her door show up from the same camera IN THE DAY LIGHT hours ?

Not sure what you mean? I was thinking the CCTV from the car braking camera, to the CCTV where she is walking home from work, posting a letter........... I don't think one would be needed pointing directly at her door. To give an example, I live in a village and I could not drive out of "my" village without being picked up on CCTV [public CCTV let alone private CCTV]. Whether I drove left or right out of my Road, I would be seen on CCTV. There is a also a town to the left of my village with public CCTV on the only road out. There is a town to the right of my village with public CCTV on the way out. If I chose to walk out of "my" village, it would also be very difficult. I would have to leg it over many, many, many fences and through gardens, avoiding private CCTV. If I drive to an airport from where I live, there are also loads and loads of CCTVs above the road, logging traffic and speed via a time and distance measure. I know nothing of Heworth at all. But I fail to see how CCTV, used on a wide range distance, fails to show something relevant to Claudia's disappearance. Though I accept that it maybe does and that it isn't in the public domain. So by wheelie bin or another means, I think Claudia had to leave the property via the back and via the Nags Head. OR, by the front door and the police have evidence of this.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Why do you think she was surprised if she was expecting him? Maybe she had intended directing him round the back door route when he landed on her doorstep.

Maybe she was telling him on the phone that she wasn't home!!!

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Welcome@brandysnapblue if you want to get quickly up to date on this case, read this blog as much of this thread has been archived. I have tried to capture all here. It's a 25 minute read but may save you allot of time?
https://link.medium.com/VHpLJLvsPY

Thank you! I'm new to this blog but I did spend a lot of time reading it before I joined! I'm no sleuth! So I guess I'm exploring my own ideas and reading the ideas of others with interest. I think CCTV may hold more answers than we know about. I can't find anything to suggest it was def Claudia with a left handed smoker etc or arguing with anyone on the way to work....... but didn't the police say she could have left the house during the evening rather than leaving for work in the morning? Didn't someone face perverting the course of justice? Was this in giving a false statement of seeing her?? On what evidence did police take "dogs" through the alley? Did the dogs find anything? If the dogs didn't, then there was no body in the proximity of the house for long enough?

 

[MajorLang]

Why do you think she was surprised if she was expecting him? Maybe she had intended directing him round the back door route when he landed on her doorstep.

Well,
Had she known he was coming for a period of time. An hour or more then-No surprise
But
She gets a call,"I'm outside Claud, it's your lucky day, let me in"
She carry's on talking to him, opens the door and her surprised look is continued

 

[MajorLang]

Not sure what you mean? I was thinking the CCTV from the car braking camera, to the CCTV where she is walking home from work, posting a letter........... I don't think one would be needed pointing directly at her door. To give an example, I live in a village and I could not drive out of "my" village without being picked up on CCTV [public CCTV let alone private CCTV]. Whether I drove left or right out of my Road, I would be seen on CCTV. There is a also a town to the left of my village with public CCTV on the only road out. There is a town to the right of my village with public CCTV on the way out. If I chose to walk out of "my" village, it would also be very difficult. I would have to leg it over many, many, many fences and through gardens, avoiding private CCTV. If I drive to an airport from where I live, there are also loads and loads of CCTVs above the road, logging traffic and speed via a time and distance measure. I know nothing of Heworth at all. But I fail to see how CCTV, used on a wide range distance, fails to show something relevant to Claudia's disappearance. Though I accept that it maybe does and that it isn't in the public domain. So by wheelie bin or another means, I think Claudia had to leave the property via the back and via the Nags Head. OR, by the front door and the police have evidence of this.

I believe that the safest exit route from her house would be back door
Into back lane and along lane to Nags Head car park
Breaking car was slowing as it saw the 20mph road surface change. Went past Claudias house, into car park, loaded her up and

Either

Waited there for some time until there was lots of traffic
Or
Headed off from Nags, taking a right. Then at Junction another right.
It may have been seen by Costcutter. Cameras but angle probably prevented.
It could even have been hidden in the garage at the rear of Nags Head and lay low.

Remember that this was 2009 and even though York was reasonably advanced with CCTV it still want great

 

[MajorLang]

Maybe she was telling him on the phone that she wasn't home!!!

The start of a beautiful and difficult couple of days as she may have lied to him