UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[Yozzer]

Claudia may have gone missing on the evening of March 18, as she did not answer any texts after 8.30pm. This was unusual for Claudia, who sent up to 1,000 messages a month. Tracing missing Claudia Lawrence's footsteps five years on: Mum's quest to find daughter

Do we read anything into her 'prolific' texting habits? Is 250 texts a week or 33 texts a day unusual?

 

[MajorLang]

Claudia may have gone missing on the evening of March 18, as she did not answer any texts after 8.30pm. This was unusual for Claudia, who sent up to 1,000 messages a month. Tracing missing Claudia Lawrence's footsteps five years on: Mum's quest to find daughter

Do we read anything into her 'prolific' texting habits? Is 250 texts a week or 33 texts a day unusual?

Without wishing to be sexist. Women do text more than men and so perhaps the ladies on this thread could confirm. I would say that 33 a day is quite normal?

2012 research and so more relevant than todays reearch

According to the Pew Internet & American Life Project Report[33] text messaging users “send or receive an average of 41.5 messages on a typical day, with the median user sending or receiving 10 texts daily” The 18-24 age group is the largest user of text messaging sending or receiving an average of 109.5 messages daily[33]. Below are some interesting statistics taken from NetBlueWeb [23] on the use and response time of text messaging.

Claudia was described as the "Youngster" of the group. JK being 26 and so she could fit the 18-24 band??

This is interesting and important in this case:

• 90% of all text messages are read within 3 minutes of their delivery-Steve Sammons Text...
  
  
• 97% of text messages are opened, while only 22% of emails are opened
  
  
• The average response time it takes to respond a text message is 90 seconds-texting on the evening. She was not responding as quickly as this and so may have been snogging someone at the time??
  A number of research studies have found that females spend more time texting and send more messages in a day than do males
  
  There we have it @Yozzer

 

[moonsafari]

Huh? The Nags is two doors from Claudia's house. @moonsafari said that a group of them caught a taxi to The Acomb. And a relative of one of her friends worked for a taxi firm in that area

I mentioned in the thread about seeing Claudia going to Acomb (exactly where I don't know) with male friends in a taxi after the lock-ins twice. In the Medium post I mention being aware that Claudia visited friends for a drink in Acomb from time to time. Regarding the rumour that she was dating a policeman when she disappeared: I can't remember the name but there is a pub opposite Acomb police station that officers regularly frequent.

 

[Yozzer]

I partly agree Rachel, But perhaps being an insecure person and knowing Nags didn't go there that she liked the familiarity of the place?

Perhaps she preferred non studenty pubs with an older clientele.

 

[MajorLang]

I mentioned in the thread about seeing Claudia going to Acomb (exactly where I don't know) with male friends in a taxi after the lock-ins twice. In the Medium post I mention being aware that Claudia visited friends for a drink in Acomb from time to time. Regarding the rumour that she was dating a policeman when she disappeared: I can't remember the name but there is a pub opposite Acomb police station that officers regularly frequent.

Thanks @moonsafari Would this be the older male friends of local origin as this may be quite important (We know who they are)

I also thought that the Police connection could be of relevance.
So pub being 'The Carlton Tavern" being 3 minutes by car or 12 minutes on foot from "The Acomb" Now "The Clockhouse"

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Totally in agreeance........ this is where my line of thinking is coming from.

The police are totally focussed on it being an incident/event being carried out by and within her close circle of friends. After submitting to the CPS they must have FAR more knowledge than the public have. Although the police could be wrong, I think the margin of error must be very small. So, although "motive" may involve, new boyfriend, drugs, sex games, jealousy, revenge, Claudia's knowledge of something, a pregnancy........ and so on and so forth, I think that the public are second guessing what the motive could be, and will never know until someone breaks a silence leading to the arrest of the perpetrator/s and the motive will then go alongside this. The police only have one way of working and that is based objectively on known facts and evidence, and it would seem they fell short on the hard evidence in order to make a charge that had no loop holes and that could create a conviction. All they are saying now is that they need someone who knows what happened, to come forward, and her father is reiterating this. I'm guessing they know the story and need the solid evidence. Until this happens, because "we" all want to help solve the matter, I think we will second guess for a long time........................

 

[Yozzer]

Without wishing to be sexist. Women do text more than men and so perhaps the ladies on this thread could confirm. I would say that 33 a day is quite normal?

2012 research and so more relevant than todays reearch

According to the Pew Internet & American Life Project Report[33] text messaging users “send or receive an average of 41.5 messages on a typical day, with the median user sending or receiving 10 texts daily” The 18-24 age group is the largest user of text messaging sending or receiving an average of 109.5 messages daily[33]. Below are some interesting statistics taken from NetBlueWeb [23] on the use and response time of text messaging.

Claudia was described as the "Youngster" of the group. JK being 26 and so she could fit the 18-24 band??

This is interesting and important in this case:

• 90% of all text messages are read within 3 minutes of their delivery-Steve Sammons Text...
  
  
• 97% of text messages are opened, while only 22% of emails are opened
  
  
• The average response time it takes to respond a text message is 90 seconds-texting on the evening. She was not responding as quickly as this and so may have been snogging someone at the time??
  A number of research studies have found that females spend more time texting and send more messages in a day than do males
  
  There we have it @Yozzer

Thanks for that @MajorLang
What we don't know is how many texts CL received. If she received a reply to each text sent, this would be an activity level of circa 2000 texts a month, pushing her way above the mean figures in your research. Hence why police described her texting as 'prolific'. I wondered if there might be a reason why she might need to use her phone more frequently than the average female user?

 

[moonsafari]

Thanks @moonsafari Would this be the older male friends of local origin as this may be quite important (We know who they are)

I also thought that the Police connection could be of relevance.
So pub being 'The Carlton Tavern"

Both times two taxis were called so 8 people max went. Pretty sure PR went both times, JK SC didn't. Unsure about AC. Honestly I've forgotten a lot of faces and names I wish I could be more helpful. Oh yes Carlton Tavern that's the one thanks!

 

[MajorLang]

The police are totally focussed on it being an incident/event being carried out by and within her close circle of friends. After submitting to the CPS they must have FAR more knowledge than the public have. Although the police could be wrong, I think the margin of error must be very small. So, although "motive" may involve, new boyfriend, drugs, sex games, jealousy, revenge, Claudia's knowledge of something, a pregnancy........ and so on and so forth, I think that the public are second guessing what the motive could be, and will never know until someone breaks a silence leading to the arrest of the perpetrator/s and the motive will then go alongside this. The police only have one way of working and that is based objectively on known facts and evidence, and it would seem they fell short on the hard evidence in order to make a charge that had no loop holes and that could create a conviction. All they are saying now is that they need someone who knows what happened, to come forward, and her father is reiterating this. I'm guessing they know the story and need the solid evidence. Until this happens, because "we" all want to help solve the matter, I think we will second guess for a long time........................

@Brandysnapblue Of course this is the case-Funny how new members always come to one of the popular conclusions as I also did in the early days "Sex Games" seems that her broadcast reputation stuck in all of our minds.
Your point about us never knowing-whilst important does not stop us from finding evidence or observing new things-We have in the many posts on this thread.
In addition and importantly-We do need to keep the pressure on the Police in this case as for the last few years all that happens is that we get the usual new release on the anniversary of Claudias missing.

It may help actually if when someone on here posts a theory that they provide some evidence or observation that supports this rather than: " I think she may haves???" Which is no good to anyone.

 

[MajorLang]

Both times two taxis were called so 8 people max went. Pretty sure PR went both times, JK SC didn't. Unsure about AC. Honestly I've forgotten a lot of faces and names I wish I could be more helpful. Oh yes Carlton Tavern that's the one thanks!

Hey @moonsafari You're probably the most informative member we have. Thats great info.

 

[MajorLang]

Thanks for that @MajorLang
What we don't know is how many texts CL received. If she received a reply to each text sent, this would be an activity level of circa 2000 texts a month, pushing her way above the mean figures in your research. Hence why police described her texting as 'prolific'. I wondered if there might be a reason why she might need to use her phone more frequently than the average female user?

@Yozzer I suspect it is because she had "Multiple and Complex Relationships"

 

[Brandysnapblue]

I'm big on handwriting/writing analysis!!!!! The psychology that's in a persons written word is amazing, alike their spoken word. If you study a person's writing and then read something that they are said to have written but you're not sure of it, it becomes almost immediately evident that they in fact didn't write it. Every year, essays are submitted by students for their final dissertation essay and a marker/tutor can identify with ease whether or not it was written by the same student who has submitted essays over the past 3/4 years. I have two adult children, a boy and a girl........With my son [he lives abroad so we text and message much] I don't end every text with a X......... He doesn't do this!!!!! I think that the X is a female thing and really kind of replaces a full stop. With my daughter, I end every text with a X and she to me likewise. Without personalising this, I think it is a general thing. Most women end their texts with a X. Now if anyone analysed mine and my daughters texts over the last ten years or so, they would immediately identify that the only time messages don't end with an X is when we have had a moment of disagreement [it happens!!!!]........ the lack of the X and the content of the texts would immediately show that we were in the midst of a slight falling out!!!! If the texts surrounding the lack of the X didn't highlight a falling out, then the only answer would be that I/my daughter didn't write them. I find the text that Claudia sent to her friend about being on shifts for the next 12 days etc strange. It didn't end with an X. Analysis would show how many texts to the same friend ended in an X. If you are writing to tell a friend you are busy, then you haven't necessarily fallen out, or I don't think that you would bother to text. Therefore, one can presume with confidence, that Claudia most likely didn't write that text. xxxxxxxxx[!!!!]

 

[MajorLang]

I'm big on handwriting/writing analysis!!!!! Great we need these skills on board.
The psychology that's in a persons written word is amazing, alike their spoken word. If you study a person's writing and then read something that they are said to have written but you're not sure of it, it becomes almost immediately evident that they in fact didn't write it. Every year, essays are submitted by students for their final dissertation essay and a marker/tutor can identify with ease whether or not it was written by the same student who has submitted essays over the past 3/4 years. I have two adult children, a boy and a girl........With my son [he lives abroad so we text and message much] I don't end every text with a X......... He doesn't do this!!!!! I think that the X is a female thing and really kind of replaces a full stop. With my daughter, I end every text with a X and she to me likewise. Without personalising this, I think it is a general thing. Most women end their texts with a X. Now if anyone analysed mine and my daughters texts over the last ten years or so, they would immediately identify that the only time messages don't end with an X is when we have had a moment of disagreement [it happens!!!!]........ the lack of the X and the content of the texts would immediately show that we were in the midst of a slight falling out!!!!
Yes-Possibly why she hadnt been to the Nags, could have been that Claudia was prommising too many friends to go oon holiday with them to different locations (Suzy to Cyprus) Meeting Steve but on her own in Cyprus and With Jen to greece) If the texts surrounding the lack of the X didn't highlight a falling out, then the only answer would be that I/my daughter didn't write them. I find the text that Claudia sent to her friend about being on shifts for the next 12 days etc strange. It didn't end with an X. Analysis would show how many texts to the same friend ended in an X. If you are writing to tell a friend you are busy, then you haven't necessarily fallen out, or I don't think that you would bother to text. Therefore, one can presume with confidence, that Claudia most likely didn't write that text. xxxxxxxxx[!!!!]

I'm big on handwriting/writing analysis!!!!! Great we need these skills on board.
The psychology that's in a persons written word is amazing, alike their spoken word. If you study a person's writing and then read something that they are said to have written but you're not sure of it, it becomes almost immediately evident that they in fact didn't write it. Every year, essays are submitted by students for their final dissertation essay and a marker/tutor can identify with ease whether or not it was written by the same student who has submitted essays over the past 3/4 years. I have two adult children, a boy and a girl........With my son [he lives abroad so we text and message much] I don't end every text with a X......... He doesn't do this!!!!! I think that the X is a female thing and really kind of replaces a full stop. With my daughter, I end every text with a X and she to me likewise. Without personalising this, I think it is a general thing. Most women end their texts with a X. Now if anyone analysed mine and my daughters texts over the last ten years or so, they would immediately identify that the only time messages don't end with an X is when we have had a moment of disagreement [it happens!!!!]........ the lack of the X and the content of the texts would immediately show that we were in the midst of a slight falling out!!!!
Yes-Possibly why she hadnt been to the Nags, could have been that Claudia was prommising too many friends to go oon holiday with them to different locations (Suzy to Cyprus) Meeting Steve but on her own in Cyprus and With Jen to greece) If the texts surrounding the lack of the X didn't highlight a falling out, then the only answer would be that I/my daughter didn't write them. I find the text that Claudia sent to her friend about being on shifts for the next 12 days etc strange. It didn't end with an X. Analysis would show how many texts to the same friend ended in an X. If you are writing to tell a friend you are busy, then you haven't necessarily fallen out, or I don't think that you would bother to text. Therefore, one can presume with confidence, that Claudia most likely didn't write that text. xxxxxxxxx[!!!!]
Yes, we had thought that. But also. and this is only a theory but my theory could have been supported by JK having her hair dyed at Claudias. Did JK send the text from Claudias phone to herself??? and was she covering for a "Loved One" Or did the Loved one and his mates then have to wade in to assist?

Have you done any analysis on what JK has said in her press statements??

 

[Popejohn3]

South of Manchester @Pinkizzy

Is Hale in south Manchester?

 

[MajorLang]

Is Hale in south Manchester?

Cheshire @Popejohn3
Was that a Rhetorical question??

 

[Brandysnapblue]

I'm big on handwriting/writing analysis!!!!! Great we need these skills on board.
The psychology that's in a persons written word is amazing, alike their spoken word. If you study a person's writing and then read something that they are said to have written but you're not sure of it, it becomes almost immediately evident that they in fact didn't write it. Every year, essays are submitted by students for their final dissertation essay and a marker/tutor can identify with ease whether or not it was written by the same student who has submitted essays over the past 3/4 years. I have two adult children, a boy and a girl........With my son [he lives abroad so we text and message much] I don't end every text with a X......... He doesn't do this!!!!! I think that the X is a female thing and really kind of replaces a full stop. With my daughter, I end every text with a X and she to me likewise. Without personalising this, I think it is a general thing. Most women end their texts with a X. Now if anyone analysed mine and my daughters texts over the last ten years or so, they would immediately identify that the only time messages don't end with an X is when we have had a moment of disagreement [it happens!!!!]........ the lack of the X and the content of the texts would immediately show that we were in the midst of a slight falling out!!!!
Yes-Possibly why she hadnt been to the Nags, could have been that Claudia was prommising too many friends to go oon holiday with them to different locations (Suzy to Cyprus) Meeting Steve but on her own in Cyprus and With Jen to greece) If the texts surrounding the lack of the X didn't highlight a falling out, then the only answer would be that I/my daughter didn't write them. I find the text that Claudia sent to her friend about being on shifts for the next 12 days etc strange. It didn't end with an X. Analysis would show how many texts to the same friend ended in an X. If you are writing to tell a friend you are busy, then you haven't necessarily fallen out, or I don't think that you would bother to text. Therefore, one can presume with confidence, that Claudia most likely didn't write that text. xxxxxxxxx[!!!!]
Yes, we had thought that. But also. and this is only a theory but my theory could have been supported by JK having her hair dyed at Claudias. Did JK send the text from Claudias phone to herself??? and was she covering for a "Loved One" Or did the Loved one and his mates then have to wade in to assist?

Have you done any analysis on what JK has said in her press statements??

Well, I'm thinking....... if JK had sent the message herself she would have ended it with an X !!!!!! That in itself tells me that if it wasn't indeed Claudia, then it was sent from a male. It also tells me that if it was sent from a new boyfriend, or someone new in her circle of friends, how would they have chosen the reciprocent ????? Why not the text saying she's going to be busy to her dad? to SC? why to JK?????? The text was obviously sent to say I'm busy for a while, you won't see me............... Why to JK????? I have looked at the press statements, I'll look again. This time I'll look not just with what was said, but with what wasn't said

 

[Pinkizzy]

Claudia may have gone missing on the evening of March 18, as she did not answer any texts after 8.30pm. This was unusual for Claudia, who sent up to 1,000 messages a month. Tracing missing Claudia Lawrence's footsteps five years on: Mum's quest to find daughter

Do we read anything into her 'prolific' texting habits? Is 250 texts a week or 33 texts a day unusual?

I wonder whether she used WhatsApp? I know that some phones had it installed on them in 2008/9

 

[Popejohn3]

Y

I mentioned in the thread about seeing Claudia going to Acomb (exactly where I don't know) with male friends in a taxi after the lock-ins twice. In the Medium post I mention being aware that Claudia visited friends for a drink in Acomb from time to time. Regarding the rumour that she was dating a policeman when she disappeared: I can't remember the name but there is a pub opposite Acomb police station that officers regularly frequent.

You know there is probably someone who knows for sure about the police man and probably gave his name to police

 

[Brandysnapblue]

When looking at someone else actions and also looking to analyse their written words and verbal words [interviews etc] then I always find it helpful to first write down what I would have said and done. Again this isn't personalised. You can always do research on what other people would have said and done. For example, the Mccanns...... If I had found one of my children was missing I can categorically say that I would NOT have left the other two children alone whilst going back to the tapas restaurant to tell people Madeleine was missing. There's the question I guess as to whether Kate was too drunk to know what she was doing. Would I have, as Kate did, refuse to comment with the police? No, I would have done everything and anything to find my daughter. Strange behaviour . So going back to Claudia in the same vein, in 2010, would I have said as JK did that I have to move on in life and that Claudia would understand this???????? NOOOOOO. I might have actually thought it, like I have to move on now, but I would never have said it, because it wouldn't have been the "normal" [yes, I know NORMAL is a generalised word and that there are perimeters ] thing to say. If my best friend was missing, I would never have stated that! Some things are thought, some things are said. There's moving on in life alongside the continuation of finding out what happened to Claudia.

 

[MajorLang]

I wonder whether she used WhatsApp? I know that some phones had it installed on them in 2008/9

Would this make a difference PI and would it give us more information