UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[MajorLang]

Yes it’s possible:
Scenario husband kills his bit on the side.He buries her somewhere and he only tells his wife as to where.
His wife knows she could be next .
The wife tells a medium as to where ...days later ‘ a dog walker stumbles on the remains ‘
In fact we often hear dog walkers ‘happen’ to be in the right spot

That's because dogs can smell death and bodies

 

[Popejohn3]

Just a reminder:
• Officers are urging anyone with information that could assist the investigation to contact North Yorkshire Police on 101, select option 1, and pass details to the Force Control Room.
Please quote "Claudia Lawrence" when passing on details. Alternatively call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

Is this old standing request or re something being mentioned on this thread ?

 

[Yozzer]

Is this old standing request or re something being mentioned on this thread ?

Long-standing.
101 is the police non-emergency number.

 

[MajorLang]

I just feel that if I had strong evidence of a crime that I would report it and if the police ignored me I would write to the Chief Constable and if they ignored me I would write to my MP or the local police authority that hold Police to account.

Anyone who feels the Police are ignoring them then there is a way to get their attention.

That's just me though.....

 

[Yozzer]

I just feel that if I had strong evidence of a crime that I would report it and if the police ignored me I would write to the Chief Constable and if they ignored me I would write to my MP or the local police authority that hold Police to account.

Anyone who feels the Police are ignoring them then there is a way to get their attention.

That's just me though.....

I guess it would depend on the strength of your evidence. If it was just a hunch, it might be difficult to push forward with it whereas if there was material evidence e.g. first-hand sighting which could be reasonably linked to the case, this should be reported immediately. Her parents are desperate for this case to be resolved.

 

[Popejohn3]

I guess it would depend on the strength of your evidence. If it was just a hunch, it might be difficult to push forward with it whereas if there was material evidence e.g. first-hand sighting which could be reasonably linked to the case, this should be reported immediately. Her parents are desperate for this case to be resolved.

If you know the perpetrator and he knows you know you have to thread very carefully indeed .

 

[Yozzer]

If you know the perpetrator and he knows you know you have to thread very carefully indeed .

If I knew the perpetrator, I wouldn't be typing on Websleuths, I'd be working through all the legal channels and making contact with Peter Lawrence/Martin Dales.

 

[Popejohn3]

If I knew the perpetrator, I wouldn't be typing on Websleuths, I'd be working through all the legal channels and making contact with Peter Lawrence/Martin Dales.

Hmm, easier said then done !
And I expect at least a dozen likes here if the old faithful are on here !

 

[Yozzer]

Hmm, easier said then done !
And I expect at least a dozen likes here if the old faithful are on here !

Which old faithful? Do you mean people who are not being listened to by the police? How many approached Dai Malyn's team? And as for the parents, I would have thought it would be a relief of sorts to hear a different version of how CL met her demise from the tawdry versions which have flooded the internet for 10 years (which may yet still prove to be correct).

 

[Angleterre]

Hi I am Angleterre and I am not Lucy Pope as major Lang has asserted. I worked with Ray Galloway when he was a Detective Inspector in another north west Police force and therefore I am not trying to hide anything. I have been in hospital having had spinal surgery and that resulted from an accident that I had whilst in work, As a police officer , and working on the case of R V R Grimes
I have tonight finally had the chance to finish reading through major Lang’s blog and it makes interesting reading
I have already assembled a list of 11 questions / observations however, I will have to think how to post them while remaining within the WS rules and TOS regarding victim friendly. I may tomorrow consider constructing these into a private conversation group chat
I need time to process some of what I have read
But a word of caution major Lang - you have already convinced yourself that I was Lucy Pope even when others questioned otherwise in particular about my going to school with CL
I didn’t and the poster was correct that I was older and I left senior school at 16 in 1986
So if you were so sure and had tunnel vision about that then what else may you have missed through applying the same tunnel vision
I say this with respect and to remind us that sometimes we are so entrenched that we see what we want to see and not what happened
I do applaud you however for your excellent blog and clear dedication to finding out what happened to CL
I look forward to conversing more with you

 

[MajorLang]

Hi I am Angleterre and I am not Lucy Pope as major Lang has asserted. I worked with Ray Galloway when he was a Detective Inspector in another north west Police force and therefore I am not trying to hide anything. I have been in hospital having had spinal surgery and that resulted from an accident that I had whilst in work, As a police officer , and working on the case of R V R Grimes
I have tonight finally had the chance to finish reading through major Lang’s blog and it makes interesting reading
I have already assembled a list of 11 questions / observations however, I will have to think how to post them while remaining within the WS rules and TOS regarding victim friendly. I may tomorrow consider constructing these into a private conversation group chat
I need time to process some of what I have read
But a word of caution major Lang - you have already convinced yourself that I was Lucy Pope even when others questioned otherwise in particular about my going to school with CL
I didn’t and the poster was correct that I was older and I left senior school at 16 in 1986
So if you were so sure and had tunnel vision about that then what else may you have missed through applying the same tunnel vision
I say this with respect and to remind us that sometimes we are so entrenched that we see what we want to see and not what happened
I do applaud you however for your excellent blog and clear dedication to finding out what happened to CL
I look forward to conversing more with you

Hi @Angleterre and firstly my apologies for suggesting that you were Lucy Pope. I had no right to do this. It is true that Police do watch and get involved in this thread and so they should. My bigger concern about some postings on this thread are perhaps where there are Perps or supporters of Perps who deliberately set about to distort or distract others and take them down rabbit holes.
I agree that it is very easy to be tunnel visioned about something or even try to match a small clue to make something fit.
The police are also guilty of this. For example. I will never forget how just because there were breakfast dishes in the sink at Claudias, the police suggested that she left for work that day-There were no recordings of her walking but there was the sighting of the couple arguing by the car and so it was-"She left for work and was seen arguing by a car near her workplace"

Dishes in sink-Could have been 2 /3 days old
Arguing after her normal work start time when she had been given a lift etc.

Thank you also for your compliments about the blog. My intentions are meant to be in the right place.
My biggest concern about the case is Claudia's Mum.
Whatever anyone says-Claudia was a bit of a girl in the same way I or other males could be accused of being a bit of a lad. Nothing wrong with that. It may upset her Mums reputation in Malton but surely she must, Like her Dad-Who by the way is much more open minded-want to get closure as this must be eating them apart and what a terrible thing to go to the grave not knowing.
Where I probably do have some tunnel vision is around the 4 and as I have said many times before. Police and CPS don't spend 7 months debating a case unless there is reasonable evidence, albeit insufficient to bring a successful outcome.
Those that say the 4 are innocent until proven guilty should remember this-
If I was innocent then I would fully cooperate with the police to clear my name. I wouldn't stay quiet or refuse to comment.
Ok they may be protecting a female who has yet to be charged, it could have been manslaughter or even a sad accident.

I also become concerned when people only tell part of a story in this thread to capture the attention of others.


It is difficult sometimes to say what you want to here. I accept that but I wont waste others time in this way or get involved in these diversions any more.

If someone has seen something, read the thread. Identify which of the contributors could help them and then PM them.

Of course my caveat here would be that they should at least give the police the first chance to mull over what evidence that you may have before doing this...

I look forward to discussing this with you at some point @Angleterre and again apologies for trying to guess your identity. That was wrong of me. And thanks for your honesty.

 

[MajorLang]

If I knew the perpetrator, I wouldn't be typing on Websleuths, I'd be working through all the legal channels and making contact with Peter Lawrence/Martin Dales.

Agree Yozzer accept perhaps not Martin D

If you know the perpetrator and he knows you know you have to thread very carefully indeed .

Why PJ3

You could get witness protection in the Caribbean

 

[Popejohn3]

Agree Yozzer accept perhaps not Martin D


Why PJ3

You could get witness protection in the Caribbean

Lol

 

[MajorLang]

Interesting character seen cutting grass in Heworth Place in August 2008 with an item that would describe him as a terrorist today

 

[Mrs Marple 2]

hmmm

 

[Popejohn3]

Hi I am Angleterre and I am not Lucy Pope as major Lang has asserted. I worked with Ray Galloway when he was a Detective Inspector in another north west Police force and therefore I am not trying to hide anything. I have been in hospital having had spinal surgery and that resulted from an accident that I had whilst in work, As a police officer , and working on the case of R V R Grimes
I have tonight finally had the chance to finish reading through major Lang’s blog and it makes interesting reading
I have already assembled a list of 11 questions / observations however, I will have to think how to post them while remaining within the WS rules and TOS regarding victim friendly. I may tomorrow consider constructing these into a private conversation group chat
I need time to process some of what I have read
But a word of caution major Lang - you have already convinced yourself that I was Lucy Pope even when others questioned otherwise in particular about my going to school with CL
I didn’t and the poster was correct that I was older and I left senior school at 16 in 1986
So if you were so sure and had tunnel vision about that then what else may you have missed through applying the same tunnel vision
I say this with respect and to remind us that sometimes we are so entrenched that we see what we want to see and not what happened
I do applaud you however for your excellent blog and clear dedication to finding out what happened to CL
I look forward to conversing more with you

Majorlang is the glue that is holding this thread together !
Sometimes we all get caught in the stream of things but since we’ve got to keep it flowing we come in a bit too soon.
People can loose interest you see.
This bit is for MajorLang : re food on dirty dishes...a lab can tell you what and how old the food was.This would have been done to match food found in the stomach in the future ?
The argument might have started in the car if fearing for your life work does not come into it.
I wish Angleterre contributed here more often...we need her / his expertise

 

[Angleterre]

Majorlang is the glue that is holding this thread together !
Sometimes we all get caught in the stream of things but since we’ve got to keep it flowing we come in a bit too soon.
People can loose interest you see.
This bit is for MajorLang : re food on dirty dishes...a lab can tell you what and how old the food was.This would have been done to match food found in the stomach in the future ?
The argument might have started in the car if fearing for your life work does not come into it.
I wish Angleterre contributed here more often...we need her / his expertise

I will now that I’m able and have read the blog
As I said I have a few questions that I need to word very carefully so I need to think about how to word them without TOS being breached

 

[Angleterre]

Hi @Angleterre and firstly my apologies for suggesting that you were Lucy Pope. I had no right to do this. It is true that Police do watch and get involved in this thread and so they should. My bigger concern about some postings on this thread are perhaps where there are Perps or supporters of Perps who deliberately set about to distort or distract others and take them down rabbit holes.
I agree that it is very easy to be tunnel visioned about something or even try to match a small clue to make something fit.
The police are also guilty of this. For example. I will never forget how just because there were breakfast dishes in the sink at Claudias, the police suggested that she left for work that day-There were no recordings of her walking but there was the sighting of the couple arguing by the car and so it was-"She left for work and was seen arguing by a car near her workplace"

Dishes in sink-Could have been 2 /3 days old
Arguing after her normal work start time when she had been given a lift etc.

Thank you also for your compliments about the blog. My intentions are meant to be in the right place.
My biggest concern about the case is Claudia's Mum.
Whatever anyone says-Claudia was a bit of a girl in the same way I or other males could be accused of being a bit of a lad. Nothing wrong with that. It may upset her Mums reputation in Malton but surely she must, Like her Dad-Who by the way is much more open minded-want to get closure as this must be eating them apart and what a terrible thing to go to the grave not knowing.
Where I probably do have some tunnel vision is around the 4 and as I have said many times before. Police and CPS don't spend 7 months debating a case unless there is reasonable evidence, albeit insufficient to bring a successful outcome.
Those that say the 4 are innocent until proven guilty should remember this-
If I was innocent then I would fully cooperate with the police to clear my name. I wouldn't stay quiet or refuse to comment.
Ok they may be protecting a female who has yet to be charged, it could have been manslaughter or even a sad accident.

I also become concerned when people only tell part of a story in this thread to capture the attention of others.


It is difficult sometimes to say what you want to here. I accept that but I wont waste others time in this way or get involved in these diversions any more.

If someone has seen something, read the thread. Identify which of the contributors could help them and then PM them.

Of course my caveat here would be that they should at least give the police the first chance to mull over what evidence that you may have before doing this...

I look forward to discussing this with you at some point @Angleterre and again apologies for trying to guess your identity. That was wrong of me. And thanks for your honesty.

Thank you for your apology and very sincere it is
You are right above police also having tunnel vision
Ray Galloway didn’t retire early
He joined when I did and you did a 30 year career so I joined 1988 and was eligible to retire 2018 ( if I hadn’t have already done so through injury)
So he merely exercised his right to go
Without rubbishing a colleague let’s just say that he had some shortcomings!
I agree with what you say about CL mum not assisting and it reminds me of another hi profile case where mum refused to answer all 49 questions put to her in trying to find her ALLEGEDLY missing 3 year old daughter.
It could be innocent reasons but it sure does make you wonder why they don’t want to help. I would like to hear your theory as to what you think has happened here and why but obviously be careful about being open to libel
I don’t understand the threats and being warned off - by who and why ? What is really believed to be going on here?
I admit that even reading your blog which is truly excellent , it’s still a lot to work through and work out coming in at this stage.... forgive me if I ask questions already asked.
Thank you for having me onboard

 

[Angleterre]

Majorlang is the glue that is holding this thread together !
Sometimes we all get caught in the stream of things but since we’ve got to keep it flowing we come in a bit too soon.
People can loose interest you see.
This bit is for MajorLang : re food on dirty dishes...a lab can tell you what and how old the food was.This would have been done to match food found in the stomach in the future ?
The argument might have started in the car if fearing for your life work does not come into it.
I wish Angleterre contributed here more often...we need her / his expertise

I’m a her by the way or at least I was the last time I checked lol

 

[Angleterre]

Hi @Angleterre and firstly my apologies for suggesting that you were Lucy Pope. I had no right to do this. It is true that Police do watch and get involved in this thread and so they should. My bigger concern about some postings on this thread are perhaps where there are Perps or supporters of Perps who deliberately set about to distort or distract others and take them down rabbit holes.
I agree that it is very easy to be tunnel visioned about something or even try to match a small clue to make something fit.
The police are also guilty of this. For example. I will never forget how just because there were breakfast dishes in the sink at Claudias, the police suggested that she left for work that day-There were no recordings of her walking but there was the sighting of the couple arguing by the car and so it was-"She left for work and was seen arguing by a car near her workplace"

Dishes in sink-Could have been 2 /3 days old
Arguing after her normal work start time when she had been given a lift etc.

Thank you also for your compliments about the blog. My intentions are meant to be in the right place.
My biggest concern about the case is Claudia's Mum.
Whatever anyone says-Claudia was a bit of a girl in the same way I or other males could be accused of being a bit of a lad. Nothing wrong with that. It may upset her Mums reputation in Malton but surely she must, Like her Dad-Who by the way is much more open minded-want to get closure as this must be eating them apart and what a terrible thing to go to the grave not knowing.
Where I probably do have some tunnel vision is around the 4 and as I have said many times before. Police and CPS don't spend 7 months debating a case unless there is reasonable evidence, albeit insufficient to bring a successful outcome.
Those that say the 4 are innocent until proven guilty should remember this-
If I was innocent then I would fully cooperate with the police to clear my name. I wouldn't stay quiet or refuse to comment.
Ok they may be protecting a female who has yet to be charged, it could have been manslaughter or even a sad accident.

I also become concerned when people only tell part of a story in this thread to capture the attention of others.


It is difficult sometimes to say what you want to here. I accept that but I wont waste others time in this way or get involved in these diversions any more.

If someone has seen something, read the thread. Identify which of the contributors could help them and then PM them.

Of course my caveat here would be that they should at least give the police the first chance to mull over what evidence that you may have before doing this...

I look forward to discussing this with you at some point @Angleterre and again apologies for trying to guess your identity. That was wrong of me. And thanks for your honesty.

Re the case going to the CPS
You are absolutely correct and spot on that the investigation team would not waste months putting a case together if they were not convinced of the 4 involvement
Just because it was not followed through by CPS it doesn’t mean that the evidence wasn’t there
It’s all to do with government targets
So for example, if the CPS reviewed the case against the suspects, read all the evidence and looked at the charging criteria and then decided that it did not meet the threshold for prosecution, this is merely a holding point until more supporting evidence is obtained. It doesn’t mean that it will never go to crown court.
The reason the CPS do this is because they have a hi threshold to meet which is something like If the probability of likelihood or prospect of conviction is less than 90% then they won’t take the chance of putting the case before the Court because they need results to satisfy targets set by our inept government. So if they are not persuaded that there is at least a 90% chance of conviction then they ‘park’ it until the threshold is met
Hope that helps explain it and not confuse you all even more!