UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #4

[Popejohn3]

What's the Anacapa system?

rAnacapa Sciences

 

[Eve71]

One of the reasons that I joined Websleuths was because it is a free to air forum
I have become concerned of late that there are people on here with multiple identities
I know this because of their writing style, which is unique is very similar .

My message to them is this:

"I know who you are, you have tried to lure me and others into PMs and to try and distract us.

There are also many on here who do great work and so if we are going to keep this forum going then please, if you have only one intention- to distract, then you must be related to a Perp or be one and so please go away.

Otherwise I'm sure that this forum will either go underground to PMs or cease altogether and this will not be justice for Claudia.

Remember that Law enforcement is watching.

Hmm, I’m still quite new here and not a great contributor and although I can’t say I’ve seen anything suspicious on this forum I have on another, which if your username is anything to go by, you are a member of and would know who I’m referring to.

 

[MajorLang]

rAnacapa Sciences

Don't you think Police would use this if they thought it would provide a result?

 

[Mrs Marple]

Not sure what's going on here and l'm going to keep my thoughts to myself.

I will tell you this though. The focus on Claudia's love life is a red herring. Some of this has come from her so called friends and they have a vested interest in leading the focus elsewhere.

Another thing is that one if the POIs arrested has a business in Malton. Could Claudia have already been known to him before she moved to Haworth?

 

[Mrs Marple]

Don't you think Police would use this if they thought it would provide a result?

This comment isn't necessary is it? Pope John didn't even bring it up originally.

 

[MajorLang]

This comment isn't necessary is it? Pope John didn't even bring it up originally.

I'm sorry but whilst @Popejohn3 didn't bring the question up, I replied to the last post and so If I have offended you @Mrs Marple and @Popejohn3 Then I apologise?
Perhaps I should have raised it when @Pinkizzy brought the thought up in the first place, but I wanted to wait to see what other Sleuths had to say on the mater.

Sometimes when a thread is in discussion and something that may appear as diversionary keeps cropping up then it can be frustrating.

We are all entitled to challenge others and in a respective way.
I am often challenged and I don't take offence.

I would ask other Sleuths what they think of the suggestion to use science to detect but I don't want to prolong the thread with semantics.

I can only speak of my experience on WS which is by and large very positive and so are interactions but I have evidence that there have been attempts to sideline my research, to discover my identity and location and also that there is at least one person on this thread with more than one username / identity.
This could mean that they are Law enforcement officers (Something I support) or far worse-Perpetrators, something that most of us would not wish to encourage.

 

[MajorLang]

Not sure what's going on here and l'm going to keep my thoughts to myself.

I will tell you this though. The focus on Claudia's love life is a red herring. Some of this has come from her so called friends and they have a vested interest in leading the focus elsewhere.

Another thing is that one if the POIs arrested has a business in Malton. Could Claudia have already been known to him before she moved to Haworth?

Not sure what's going on here and l'm going to keep my thoughts to myself.

I will tell you this though. The focus on Claudia's love life is a red herring. Some of this has come from her so called friends and they have a vested interest in leading the focus elsewhere.

Another thing is that one if the POIs arrested has a business in Malton. Could Claudia have already been known to him before she moved to Haworth?

Good thoughts @Mrs Marple S_C has said in a post on FB that she believes the person who cast aspersions regarding Claudias love life was Claudias "friend" the chef A_N. He was not one of the POIs so not sure what he stood to gain from this outburst?

Claudias friends J_K and S_K have refuted her love life.
Which friends are you saying did cast aspersions over her love life ?@Mrs Marple?

S_C has said on social media that Police advised her that there was a side to Claudia that she had not even shared with S_C. Police did not reveal this side.

You are correct that one of POIs has a business near Malton. P_R. Construction and Auto.
One of the other POIs also has a business near Malton.D_R. UPVC
One of POIs S_R is a locksmith and related by birth to P_R and by marriage to D_R.
One of POIs A_C is related only by drinking at Nags but worked at York Uni and due to his work departments proximity to Claudias restaurant, was likely to have taken some meals there.

It is possible that one or both of POIs knew Claudia when in Malton, but given that one is a very good friend of Claudias and drank with her at the Nags and the other drank in the sports bar at the Nags, it is more likely that they met this way. Particularly as whilst their businesses were close to Malton, their homes were in Heworth. My research also shows that neither lived in Malton before Heworth.

 

[Popejohn3]

I'm sorry but whilst @Popejohn3 didn't bring the question up, I replied to the last post and so If I have offended you @Mrs Marple and @Popejohn3 Then I am sorry. Perhaps I should have raised it when @Pinkizzy brought the thought up in the first place.
No offence taken .That question was not directed at me because I did not bring Anacapa Sciences originally.

Sometimes when a thread is in discussion and something that may appear as diversionary keeps cropping up then it can be frustrating.
We are all entitled to challenge others and in a respective way. I am often challenged and I don't take offence. I would ask other Sleuths what they think of the suggestion to use science to detect but I don't want to prolong the thread with semantics.

I can only speak of my experience on WS which is by and large very positive and so are interactions but I have evidence that there have been attempts to sideline my research, to discover my identity and where I am located and also that there is at least one person on this thread with more than one username / identity.
This could mean that they are Law enforcement officers (Something I support) or far worse-Perpetrators, something that most of us would not wish to encourage.

I'm sorry but whilst @Popejohn3 didn't bring the question up, I replied to the last post and so If I have offended you @Mrs Marple and @Popejohn3 Then I apologise?
Perhaps I should have raised it when @Pinkizzy brought the thought up in the first place, but I wanted to wait to see what other Sleuths had to say on the mater.

Sometimes when a thread is in discussion and something that may appear as diversionary keeps cropping up then it can be frustrating.

We are all entitled to challenge others and in a respective way.
I am often challenged and I don't take offence.

I would ask other Sleuths what they think of the suggestion to use science to detect but I don't want to prolong the thread with semantics.

I can only speak of my experience on WS which is by and large very positive and so are interactions but I have evidence that there have been attempts to sideline my research, to discover my identity and location and also that there is at least one person on this thread with more than one username / identity.
This could mean that they are Law enforcement officers (Something I support) or far worse-Perpetrators, something that most of us would not wish to encourage.

no offence taken I knew that question was not directed at me because I did not bring up Anacapa Sciences in the first place !

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Not sure what's going on here and l'm going to keep my thoughts to myself.

I will tell you this though. The focus on Claudia's love life is a red herring. Some of this has come from her so called friends and they have a vested interest in leading the focus elsewhere.

Another thing is that one if the POIs arrested has a business in Malton. Could Claudia have already been known to him before she moved to Haworth?

How do we know it's a red herring tho? Unless we know the true version of events, how can anything be discounted?

Do you see what I mean? I don't intend to sound critical

 

[Pinkizzy]

I mentioned the Anacapa chart cos its a type of mind map - that's all

 

[Pinkizzy]

@MajorLang Suzy Lamplugh and Claudia are similar characters - loads of boyfriends, secret lives, daughters of lawyers and they appear to have disappeared off the face of the earth

 

[MajorLang]

I mentioned the Anacapa chart cos its a type of mind map - that's all

Yes and it's a credible way of solving a crime-Would the Police not use it though?

 

[MajorLang]

@MajorLang Suzy Lamplugh and Claudia are similar characters - loads of boyfriends, secret lives, daughters of lawyers and they appear to have disappeared off the face of the earth

That's very interesting. I need to read up on the Suzy case. Whikst Halliwell has been considered, why has. The Lamplugh person not been or have they not found the Perp. Forgive my ignorance I have a singular case focus

 

[HongKongPhooey]

That's very interesting. I need to read up on the Suzy case. Whikst Halliwell has been considered, why has. The Lamplugh person not been or have they not found the Perp. Forgive my ignorance I have a singular case focus

I read the book about John Cannan which I think is called Prime Suspect. It talks more about him than Suzy tho - it's generally thought he killed Suzy.

 

[Yozzer]

How do we know it's a red herring tho? Unless we know the true version of events, how can anything be discounted?

Do you see what I mean? I don't intend to sound critical

Re: The focus on Claudia's love life is a red herring.
Well according to the landlord of the NH (GF) speaking to journalists, 2 regular NH drinkers who both had partners and had been 'involved' with CL, went straight to the police station early doors to report their relationships in an apparent attempt to avoid the embarrassment and complications (for them) of an unexpected home visit.

That SC was unaware of some of these flings might suggest they took place very close to home and thus, disclosure was difficult for CL as she had to be certain there would be no leakage. On the other hand, SC might have known of one or more but is unwilling to admit this publicly as it is highly sensitive and a key part of the investigation which she has been told to suppress for operational reasons.

 

[Mrs Marple]

How do we know it's a red herring tho? Unless we know the true version of events, how can anything be discounted?

Do you see what I mean? I don't intend to sound critical

I completely agree with you. Tangled web of lies intended to deceive. No wonder the police are so frustrated.

The thing is her apparently closest friends have denied she behaved that way, the landlord of the pub in Acomb has denied seeing her approaching men, he family have denied it. The only ones pointing the finger are from the NH.

Her sister has said she had a habit of picking unsuitable boyfriends, but not that she had multiple affairs and some at the same time. There is an account from a boyfriend, her apparently one serious relationship, who describes someone very different from the Claudia that was painted.

There is one confirmed affair with Lee Horwell. Do we know that two men went to the police the day she went missing? Like, why would you go right away anyway, a few days later maybe but immediately seems a bit odd. The only person saying it is the landlord of the NG.

 

[Popejohn3]

I completely agree with you. Tangled web of lies intended to deceive. No wonder the police are so frustrated.

The thing is her apparently closest friends have denied she behaved that way, the landlord of the pub in Acomb has denied seeing her approaching men, he family have denied it. The only ones pointing the finger are from the NH.

Her sister has said she had a habit of picking unsuitable boyfriends, but not that she had multiple affairs and some at the same time. There is an account from a boyfriend, her apparently one serious relationship, who describes someone very different from the Claudia that was painted.

There is one confirmed affair with Lee Horwell. Do we know that two men went to the police the day she went missing? Like, why would you go right away anyway, a few days later maybe but immediately seems a bit odd. The only person saying it is the landlord of the NG.

Claudia was very attractive... men approached her .

 

[Mrs Marple]

Claudia was very attractive... men approached her .

The landlord said they never saw anything like that.

The secret life of missing chef Claudia Lawrence - and the 'numerous liaisons' with married men | Daily Mail Online

'One of the pubs that Claudia visited was The Acomb, a vast modern establishment next to a betting shop. Inside it looks rough and down-at-heel. The wallpaper is nicotine-stained and there are fruit machines and a pool table.

The Acomb is mainly used by labourers and bricklayers. Claudia went there to see a friend, Anthony Newby, a kitchen porter who is believed to be in his 40s.

The landlord of The Acomb, Paul Harris, 41, said: ‘She was in here with Ant about three weeks before she went missing. The police came in about a month afterwards and questioned us and they spoke to Ant. They were asking about relationships and if she had any boyfriends.

‘That was obviously their line of inquiry and we thought they must be getting something from The Nag’s Head.

‘We were quite surprised as we’d never seen that side of her. She was never bothering blokes or anything when she was in here.’ '

This is the chap who was arrested in 2014 on suspicion of perverting the course of justice.

 

[Pinkizzy]

That's very interesting. I need to read up on the Suzy case. Whikst Halliwell has been considered, why has. The Lamplugh person not been or have they not found the Perp. Forgive my ignorance I have a singular case focus

I don't know

 

[Pinkizzy]

Yes and it's a credible way of solving a crime-Would the Police not use it though?

Maybe they used it but missed a vital clue - a sleuth from here may solve the case by drawing a mind map