UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[Andyboy]

I will look for it. Atm I'm still thinking, MFT (MT) was free, when CL went missing.

Rapist guilty of nine charges
May 3rd, 2014

Thompson had been arrested last October (has to be 2013) after kidnapping a student in York, forcing her into his van and raping her three times during a terrifying drive betyween York and Malton.

Last summer (has to be 2013), he also tried to rape a 32-year-old woman in her house in York. And in 2009, he sexually assaulted a 23-year-old York woman in an alleyway off Coney Street.

His offending started in 2009 with him groping a woman in Coney Street until a passer-by and nearby doormen intervened, and it ended last October (has to be 2013) with him bundling a student into the back of his white van and raping her repeatedly in York and at Kirkham Priory near Malton.
The student had been on her way home alone from a night club, where she worked to part-fund her studies.

Thompson has been in custody since his arrest in the afternoon of October 29 (has to be 2013) and has been remanded in prison until Tuesday.

Five-year wait for justice of rapist’s earlier victim
October 8th, 2014

Martial arts expert Thompson, married to Adriana Ford-Thompson, a University of York research and teaching fellow, was arrested on suspicion of attempted rape and taken into custody. (so yes, arrested in 2009)

The victim, who cannot be named, told her story to police in the early hours and gave video evidence the next day. All her clothes were taken away for testing.

But less than a fortnight later a policewoman knocked on her door to say the case had been dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service.

She said: “It did not take them very long to decide they didn’t believe me.

“It was a strange feeling. It was if I was the one who had done something wrong. I was so disappointed.

“I was also concerned because he lived not far from me. It was scary that someone capable of doing these things had been so easily let free.

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Question is: When in 2009 did it happen?
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Found something:
Life behind bars for violent York rapist and kidnapper

The attempted assaults took place on Coney Street, York, in February 2009 when he attacked a 24-year-old woman and July 2013, when he assaulted a 32-year-old woman at a house in York.

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Question remains:
WHEN in February 2009 was he jailed for 2 weeks?

The trouble is, as vile as a human as Thompson is, as far as we know he never killed any of those poor women he attacked, and he was still attacking although not killing women long after claudia dissapered

 

[MajorLang]

Lee Horwell, Claudias latest "named" lover. There may have been more.
What was he doing in April 2014 in Heworth Place in these pictures?
Note the lady / man in the silver VW. This car is not parked up and is a distance from the kerb, suggesting that they were there for a quick errand.
Was Horwell still the owner of the Maroon Volvo in the picture at the time these stills were captured?

He owned this Volvo with reg L330AM from 2012.
He sold it to David Robinson who switched the plate to YO1 in 2014.
Both registrations had a level of personalisation. L33 (Lee) YO1 being the name of Robinson's Double Glazing business.
Robinson was a POI in 2015.
Horwell was never arrested. His wife and childhood sweetheart left him when she discovered his affair with Claudia.
Note how he has what appear to be medications in one hand and car keys in the other.
The Maroon Volvo is regularly parked in this area yet neither of the two aforementioned were known to live here?
Note how in one shot Horwell is stood next to the driver side of the Silver VW.
We know from the other shot that someone else was driving at the time and so was there a "trade" taking place?
Also note another silver car-A Renault parked at the end of the Cul-de-Sac, Heworth Place. Is there someone waiting in this car?
Was the Silver Renault the one that belonged to SR the brother of PR?
It is believed that both SR and PR lived in Heworth Place around this time.
Today PR owns 15 Heworth Place. Where the car was close to.
PR lives in Heworth Road today.
There appears to be something unusual in many of these characters still living and socialising in this area, an area with lots of very sad memories and past dark forces.
We get much in the way of theories on this thread and a fair share of disruption.
To date little concrete to discuss due to the time passing since Claudia's disappearance.
I do believe though that WS is still the best thread online for carrying information on the case.
We should perhaps spend some time discussing this?
Was Claudia involved in medications or was there an overdose of such occurring that took her life?
This may we'll be quite innocent activity in the attached shots but IMO any police officers watching this forum should consider and investigate this.
That is if they have not done so already.
These images were taken in 2014 but the Sleuth who brought these to my attention and myself had never come across these before despite many Google image searches over the years??
There is so much about this case that troubles me.

Is this why Robinson and the Ruanes were arrested in 2015?
Horwell owned a scrap metal dealers along with his brother David in close by Mansfield Street. His brother David died suddenly in 2018. David Horwell was associated with the Pavlou Brothers and was named on The Pavlous company register as "Secretary.
The Pavlou own the club in York, The VUDU Lounge.
The Horwels and Pavlous wanted to build a casino on the land in Mansfield street but this was blocked by council. After the death of David Horwel, Lee remained the sole beneficiary of the company and the land in Mansfield Street was sold to a company to build Student Acxiom. In 2018 Horwell will have raised £800,000 for the sale of the land.

I often wonder if the reason comments are made in Claudia thread are made in an effort to find the truth or if many posts are to keep us away from the truth.
I have been a member for almost a year now and so having read posts from the very beginning of the thread and heard what most be all the theories and annoyingly watched the same theories churned again and again.
What I find is that the "same old" get more attention than new evidence and theories.
Some have even accused me of being fixed in my theory.
Last week I presented new evidence regarding Horwells suspicious activity and apart from receiving a few likes, hardly anyone has commented or questioned the evidence.

What did happen was that others continued to post the "same old" theories and they appeared to gain more traction and commentary.
Makes me wonder what intentions really are here?

 

[LuluR38]

The trouble is, as vile as a human as Thompson is, as far as we know he never killed any of those poor women he attacked, and he was still attacking although not killing women long after claudia dissapered

He did forget to turn phones off whilst attacking. And who’s to say if someone fought back that killing them (especially when only a week or so earlier he had been nicked for the rape and let go by the police) wouldn’t be the next and quite logical step. I raised this chap a while back on here as his MO is very significant and he was operating at the time of her disappearance. It would also give reason for a cover up and police knew there was a rapist on the prowl and has had him and let him go. But I still think it’s the nags crew for some reason, instinct (and behaviour of the ‘friends’ tells me there’s something else occurred there)...

 

[MajorLang]

Lee Horwell, Claudias latest "named" lover. There may have been more.
What was he doing in April 2014 in Heworth Place in these pictures?
Note the lady / man in the silver VW. This car is not parked up and is a distance from the kerb, suggesting that they were there for a quick errand.
Was Horwell still the owner of the Maroon Volvo in the picture at the time these stills were captured?

He owned this Volvo with reg L330AM from 2012.
He sold it to David Robinson who switched the plate to YO1 in 2014.
Both registrations had a level of personalisation. L33 (Lee) YO1 being the name of Robinson's Double Glazing business.
Robinson was a POI in 2015.
Horwell was never arrested. His wife and childhood sweetheart left him when she discovered his affair with Claudia.
Note how he has what appear to be medications in one hand and car keys in the other.
The Maroon Volvo is regularly parked in this area yet neither of the two aforementioned were known to live here?
Note how in one shot Horwell is stood next to the driver side of the Silver VW.
We know from the other shot that someone else was driving at the time and so was there a "trade" taking place?
Also note another silver car-A Renault parked at the end of the Cul-de-Sac, Heworth Place. Is there someone waiting in this car?
Was the Silver Renault the one that belonged to SR the brother of PR?
It is believed that both SR and PR lived in Heworth Place around this time.
Today PR owns 15 Heworth Place. Where the car was close to.
PR lives in Heworth Road today.
There appears to be something unusual in many of these characters still living and socialising in this area, an area with lots of very sad memories and past dark forces.
We get much in the way of theories on this thread and a fair share of disruption.
To date little concrete to discuss due to the time passing since Claudia's disappearance.
I do believe though that WS is still the best thread online for carrying information on the case.
We should perhaps spend some time discussing this?
Was Claudia involved in medications or was there an overdose of such occurring that took her life?
This may we'll be quite innocent activity in the attached shots but IMO any police officers watching this forum should consider and investigate this.
That is if they have not done so already.
These images were taken in 2014 but the Sleuth who brought these to my attention and myself had never come across these before despite many Google image searches over the years??
There is so much about this case that troubles me.

Is this why Robinson and the Ruanes were arrested in 2015?
Horwell owned a scrap metal dealers along with his brother David in close by Mansfield Street. His brother David died suddenly in 2018. David Horwell was associated with the Pavlou Brothers and was named on The Pavlous company register as "Secretary.
The Pavlou own the club in York, The VUDU Lounge.
The Horwels and Pavlous wanted to build a casino on the land in Mansfield street but this was blocked by council. After the death of David Horwel, Lee remained the sole beneficiary of the company and the land in Mansfield Street was sold to a company to build Student Accom. In 2018 Horwell will have raised £800,000 for the sale of the land.

I often wonder if the reason comments are made on Claudia thread is, are they made in an effort to find the truth or are many posts are to keep us away from the truth.
I have been a member for almost a year now and so having read posts from the very beginning of the thread and heard what most be all the theories and annoyingly watched the same theories churned again and again. What I find is that the "same old" get far more attention than new evidence and theories.
Some have even accused me of being fixed in my theory.
So Last week I presented new evidence regarding Horwells suspicious activity and apart from receiving a few likes, hardly anyone has commented or questioned my evidence.

What did happen was that others continued to post the "same old" theories and they appeared to gain more traction and commentary.
Makes me wonder what intentions really are here?

The trouble is, as vile as a human as Thompson is, as far as we know he never killed any of those poor women he attacked, and he was still attacking although not killing women long after claudia dissapered

Yes @Andyboy and not only did police have him in custody to put these questions to him but have greater cctv footage than we have seen and has not been shared with us. mid you look very closely at the cctv footage presented to the public that took place in Heworth Road / place. There is far more activity than the police have drawn our attention to.Particularly from the one of the braking car as it passes the Limes and seen from Limes Heworth camera.
this has been presented in here and received little comment. Perhaps it was To close to some comfort zones!

 

[LuluR38]

Please do not stop posting here.
.I’ve decided to stop posting here at least for awhile.
Finding Claudia is by far more important than scoring points.
I will read and reread I promise .

...

why make comments which infer a level of knowledge etc about Claudia and potentially that you know things about her disappearance & particularly the comment about the pic which presents as a little creepy and odd to be honest?

 

[LuluR38]

This theory was discounted at the time because he was in prison when Claudia went missing.

He wasn’t in prison...

 

[MajorLang]

He wasn’t in prison...

No he wasn't in prison but he had his share of being in custody and intense questioning

 

[keep-it-real]

The trouble is, as vile as a human as Thompson is, as far as we know he never killed any of those poor women he attacked, and he was still attacking although not killing women long after claudia dissapered

His last victim escaped her abduction (a 5 hour ordeal) when Thompson stopped at traffic light .. If she hadnt escaped would he have killed her?
With sexual predators there is progression in their behaviour, fantasising, watching and fantasising, sexual assualt, rape, abduction and rape, abduction rape murder.
Thompsons behaviour was developing we can see this from victim to victim we now know he adbucted a victim, this victim escaped and survived, If Claudia was a previous abduction and rape victim its not unreasonable to consider that she could havebeen killed by Thompson.
We know he threatened to kill his last victim if she didnt give him what he wanted.

 

[MajorLang]

...

why make comments which infer a level of knowledge etc about Claudia and potentially that you know things about her disappearance & particularly the comment about the pic which presents as a little creepy and odd to be honest?

I agree @LuluR38
This particular poster has never fully shared their theory of a sighting in a public posting but keeps sharing snippets. There is NO reason why they shouldn't do this as it could be highly plausible and will give the poster greater credibility in this thread if they do.
It will also give the thread a bit of a lift as their theory is not mainstream from my understanding and away from the "same old" diatribe we get.
Come on @Popejohn3 "Show and tell"

 

[LuluR38]

No we do want to get to the bottom of it .I for one always find your posts very interesting.
In fact reading the above may I just point out that most of the people you talk about are much older than Claudia and probably go way back to a time BEFORE Claudia .
Remember she had only been going to NH for approximately three years !
And there is no reason why they should stop seeing one another and or move away from the area .

Do you work at the Uni by any chance PopeJohn3?

No he wasn't in prison but he had his share of being in custody and intense questioning

...but that does not mean he wasn’t about And on the prowl again when Claudia vanished - his attack after her disappearance involved the kidnap of a woman into his white van at about 4am I believe. Police had him and let him go, prob as his first attack was on a lady outside / in an alley near a nightclub (stopped by bouncers I believe). He then upped his offending game to an attack in someone’s house then a stranger kidnap . His MO fits. He also looks very like co op man.

On a side note ...
I would really like to know what popejohn3 is on about? Do you work at the uni PopeJohn3? I ask as someone sharing this unusual username is looking for BSc third year course work ideas. And you infer you knew Claudia and wouldn’t forget that face til you die. Which is odd as owt quite frankly unless you had reason to say something like that... it’s unnerved me truth be told...

 

[MajorLang]

His last victim escaped her abduction (a 5 hour ordeal) when Thompson stopped at traffic light .. If she hadnt escaped would he have killed her?
With sexual predators there is progression in their behaviour, fantasising, watching and fantasising, sexual assualt, rape, abduction and rape, abduction rape murder.
Thompsons behaviour was developing we can see this from victim to victim we now know he adbucted a victim, this victim escaped and survived, If Claudia was a previous abduction and rape victim its not unreasonable to consider that she could havebeen killed by Thompson.
We know he threatened to kill his last victim if she didnt give him what he wanted.

@keep-it-real Why do you think then that 2 police investigations and cold case activity and criminologist profiling of a perpetrator have not focused upon this person?
Did the Cold Case Criminologist get the profile wrong and did two Sênior police officers, their teams and the new cold case team get things so wrong?
We have seen many cases where police had someone in custody and they went on to kill and Police did not cover up.
Malyn knows what happened, we can see it in his body language at his media appearance and we share his frustrations.

 

[LuluR38]

I agree @LuluR38
This particular poster has never fully shared their theory of a sighting in a public posting but keeps sharing snippets. There is NO reason why they shouldn't do this as it could be highly plausible and will give the poster greater credibility in this thread if they do.
It will also give the thread a bit of a lift as their theory is not mainstream from my understanding and away from the "same old" diatribe we get.
Come on @Popejohn3 "Show and tell"

maybe his logon and info just needs passed to police so they can get an IP address and ask them
Him selves. Again, if his other posts suggesting he’s already spoken to them are to be believed ...

 

[MajorLang]

Do you work at the Uni by any chance PopeJohn3?


...but that does not mean he wasn’t about And on the prowl again when Claudia vanished - his attack after her disappearance involved the kidnap of a woman into his white van at about 4am I believe. Police had him and let him go, prob as his first attack was on a lady outside / in an alley near a nightclub (stopped by bouncers I believe). He then upped his offending game to an attack in someone’s house then a stranger kidnap . His MO fits. He also looks very like co op man.

On a side note ...
I would really like to know what popejohn3 is on about? Do you work at the uni PopeJohn3? I ask as someone sharing this unusual username is looking for BSc third year course work ideas. And you infer you knew Claudia and wouldn’t forget that face til you die. Which is odd as owt quite frankly unless you had reason to say something like that... it’s unnerved me truth be told...

@LuluR38 Did one of POIs not work at UNI?

 

[LuluR38]

@keep-it-real Why do you think then that 2 police investigations and cold case activity and criminologist profiling of a perpetrator have not focused upon this person?
Did the Cold Case Criminologist get the profile wrong and did two Sênior police officers, their teams and the new cold case team get things so wrong?
We have seen many cases where police had someone in custody and they went on to kill and Police did not cover up.
Malyn knows what happened, we can see it in his body language at his media appearance and we share his frustrations.

they would also have his prints and DNA for comparison on the databases given his arrest (at which point they’re taken usually) which suggests he’s not the unknown finger prints in the house or the cig in her car ...

 

[Pinkizzy]

@Popejohn3 should tell us what he witnessed via DM. Last year, I followed a thread for a northern murder when one of the posters told us (via DM) that she saw the alleged killer cleaning the inside and outside of his car around a day after the victim's last appearance on CCTV

 

[LuluR38]

@LuluR38 Did one of POIs not work at UNI?

I believe they did but not as a lecturer (or were they? Possibly, I’ve read so much i can’t recall off my head, was it sports related or something?)
Pope johns remarks are not unlike JKs tantalising creepy remarks to be honest or that’s how it’s struck me. ‘I won’t forget that face til I die’ is basically Creepy if you are also suggesting you knew or have knowledge of this case. Why say something like that then not qualify it with why or what your suspicion is if that is the case And if it’s an innocent ‘She was a lovely lass’ type of explanation? Bizarre really. So over to you popejohn3 ...

 

[keep-it-real]

@keep-it-real Why do you think then that 2 police investigations and cold case activity and criminologist profiling of a perpetrator have not focused upon this person?
Did the Cold Case Criminologist get the profile wrong and did two Sênior police officers, their teams and the new cold case team get things so wrong?
We have seen many cases where police had someone in custody and they went on to kill and Police did not cover up.
Malyn knows what happened, we can see it in his body language at his media appearance and we share his frustrations.

I have said many times on the forum that I keep an open mind I am searching for the truth.
I would remind you of the case of the murder of Jill Dando when the police pursued a case against Barry George even when evidence came in that would prove he was not involved they chose to ignore it. Barry George spent 8 years in prison for a crime he did not commit! the police do not always get it right.
I am investigating the disappearance/possible murder of Claudia Lawrence if that investigation takes me away from what police think happened then I make no apology for that.
If in the course of my research I find information that may be of importance to the case I will pass that to the relevant authorities they will be the ones that judge if that information is relevant to investigation.

 

[keep-it-real]

they would also have his prints and DNA for comparison on the databases given his arrest (at which point they’re taken usually) which suggests he’s not the unknown finger prints in the house or the cig in her car ...

He may never have been in her car, he may never have been in her house.
If this is a snatch abduction its her body/clothing or rucksack and it contents that would have held DNA or fingerprint evidence or likewise her DNA on his clothing or in the vehicle that may have used for the abduction, or property or other numerous storage options used for possible storage of the body prior to disposal

 

[LuluR38]

He may never have been in her car, he may never have been in her house.
If this is a snatch abduction its her body/clothing or rucksack and it contents that would have held DNA or fingerprint evidence or likewise her DNA on his clothing or in the vehicle that may have used for the abduction, or property or other numerous storage options used for possible storage of the body prior to disposal

I know that but given the rapist we spoke of committed one offence in the victim’s house while she was in bed (and he was a decorator so could have also been in Claudias house as a possible link / rationale for why she may have been targeted) that’s why I pointed out having his prints and DNA means that he will have been eliminated from the outstanding unidentified house and car evidence...

 

[LuluR38]

He may never have been in her car, he may never have been in her house.
If this is a snatch abduction its her body/clothing or rucksack and it contents that would have held DNA or fingerprint evidence or likewise her DNA on his clothing or in the vehicle that may have used for the abduction, or property or other numerous storage options used for possible storage of the body prior to disposal

one could also reasonable assume they given the next offence was a kidnap With the victim taken and assaulted in his van that van will have been forensically tested to within an inch of its life, so if there was any hint of a link to Claudia (eg dna found / any hair found / fibres found etc) it could have been established then... that’s to say they even looked in the van for evidence of other victims because from the images I’ve seen of the claudia’s house crime scene etc (such as ungloved hands touching evidence / shoe prints left on her scales / evidence laid out on a toilet) the SOCOs need some retraining (as someone with an MSc in Forensic investigation).... not to mention the cig that came to light ages afterwards and the prints found at a later date. The initial investigation was obviously lacking to say the least...