UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #9

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Does anyone know what dates Shane Ruane was living here ?
 

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Im no expert but doesn’t this tantamount to an invasion of privacy ?
After all no one has been proven guilty ( with regards to cl ) and therefore they are innocent !?
 
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Does anyone know what dates Shane Ruane was living here ?
I can remove the images, but other people’s addresses have been posted and spoke of. Sorry x
Im no expert but doesn’t this tantamount to an invasion of privacy ?
After all no one has been proven guilty ( with regards to cl ) and therefore they are innocent !?
 
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I can remove the images, but other people’s addresses have been posted and spoke of. Sorry x
I’m merrily thinking aloud here I repeat I’m no expert
 
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I’m merrily thinking aloud here I repeat I’m no expert
I presume as address posted on social media previously and in public view we are ok x well hope :)
 
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Note exactly private if it's put out on facebook
 
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I presume as address posted on social media previously and in public view we are ok x well hope :)
You've given the company a free advert. What's not to like? :O
 
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He's a very good lead I think given his phone places him in Praia De Luz on the night of her going missing and past history. Ultimately no body and DNA is same as was Claudia and also the Peter Falcanio case from 2001 which was on British TV this week. You can still convict people on circumstantial evidence but it just makes the process a bit harder.
As I say, the Mccanns have many questions to answer and why wouldn't they if it got them closer to their daughter.
 
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Have been reading this thread through in last 2 to 3 days ... Can someone tell me, as I am sure it's here somewhere. Why did Suzy Cooper not go down to Claudia's house when she was a no show at Nags Head.
 
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Have been reading this thread through in last 2 to 3 days ... Can someone tell me, as I am sure it's here somewhere. Why did Suzy Cooper not go down to Claudia's house when she was a no show at Nags Head.
Hi @molly67 Thats a good question and raised before.
There would be a few reasons:
1. Perhaps she assumed that Claudia had struck lucky and was with someone she wouldn't want to disturb?
2. That Claudia had fallen asleep?

Given that Claudia lives only a few doors away it would have been easy to check this out and so if she didn't I believe that 1. Is most likely.

This is where IMO Suzy is not always as truthful as seems.
Suzy and her friend Jen both described Claudia as not the kind of girl to have one night stands and Suzy also claimed no knowledge of a "New Boyfriend"

What we can read into this is that Claudia was likely to be more promiscuous than all led us to believe. Galloway was probably correct in what he said.

Whilst I don't think there is anything sinister about this, I do believe that Claudias friends have not helped the case by being less straight with all.
 
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Inclined to agree with your last point MajorLang. It is telling that in the two biggest missing person cases of the past 13 years that the people closest to the missing person appear to have been economical with the truth.

In the case of MM I dont think the parents and the group of friends were involved in her disappearance but I do think that there were some mistruths about timings told which possibly threw the whole investigation off course.

In the case of CL we have her group of friends who appear to covering up something that could really help crack the case open.
 
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As I say I have made many mistakes in this case and am now at the point that I have to dismiss anything that is an image that can not be seen clearly by more than one or two Sleuths.
Many viewing the 4x4 could not make out what others could and the issue is that once someone says "I see what looks like Claudia being bundled into the black truck" others go looking and see just that.
If the police have this footage-we know they have and have spoken to the vehicle owner. Then they will have examined this very thoroughly but perhaps like many in this thread, not seen with a sufficient degree of certainty to persuade the CPS.

On the night of 18th March, it is quite possible that a different crime(s) was / were being committed and became footage because it was in the same vicinity.

In my opinion Malyn frustration is not just born about from CPS not wishing to support his evidence it is possibly the following:
1. Incompetence during first investigation by Galloway and evidence being inadmissible.
2. Lack of comments from those arrested.
3. False Alibi(s) that cannot be picked apart.
4. Another higher profile case involving contraband and county lines gang activity that meant certain evidence from the Claudia case could not be revealed.

Every life is important but we do know that rich and seedy drug dealers take millions of lives every year and are behind almost all serious and even petty crime today.
Maybe Claudia inadvertently walked straight in to a crime being committed, saw too much and instantly became someone who wouldn’t be allowed to tell her story. Not as likely as some off the other theories but still possible.
 
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Maybe Claudia inadvertently walked straight in to a crime being committed, saw too much and instantly became someone who wouldn’t be allowed to tell her story. Not as likely as some off the other theories but still possible.
I think this is highly possible. What makes me believe that she was aware of a change to circumstances was her behavioural change from the Sunday.
Her last time out, she was described as often regretting what she said after having a few drinks.
Did she share something are was told about something by JK on Sunday that made her want to avoid the Nags croud and does this lead to the missing motive???
 
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She says: “We’d all been in the pub for Cheltenham Day on the Friday before she disappeared. We had both been drunk. She had beer fear. If she’d been drinking she was always worried she’d done something to upset someone. She never had.
“Then after I saw her on the Sunday we texted like normal.
“The last text she sent was saying she had a row of 12 early start shifts and how she wasn’t going to have a life for a bit. I think she was walking to work that morning and something happened. Either she was snatched or coerced into a vehicle.”
Missing chef Claudia Lawrence's best pal tells of heartbreaking 10-year search

When JK and CL met on Sunday, JK wasn't told about the 12 early shifts in a personal conversation. Seemingly CL didn't know about it herself?
Who told CL about her duty to do 12 early shifts and when? Certainly there was a "manager" for arranging the work schedule. Was it DO by chance, who created the work schedules?
So, CL would know, the manager at least would know, DO as a collegue would know probably, JK would know after the message, all people who JK told about it (crowd at NH's perhaps) would know.
Did it mean: 12 days in a row for the onetime chance to abduct CL overnight?
Was it useful or even indispensable for the abductor to know about the 12 early morning shifts?
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I know, that some are of the opinion, the texting about shifts to JK could have been fake. But unfortunately we don't know, if.
 
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She says: “We’d all been in the pub for Cheltenham Day on the Friday before she disappeared. We had both been drunk. She had beer fear. If she’d been drinking she was always worried she’d done something to upset someone. She never had.
“Then after I saw her on the Sunday we texted like normal.
“The last text she sent was saying she had a row of 12 early start shifts and how she wasn’t going to have a life for a bit. I think she was walking to work that morning and something happened. Either she was snatched or coerced into a vehicle.”
Missing chef Claudia Lawrence's best pal tells of heartbreaking 10-year search

When JK and CL met on Sunday, JK wasn't told about the 12 early shifts in a personal conversation. Seemingly CL didn't know about it herself?
Who told CL about her duty to do 12 early shifts and when? Certainly there was a "manager" for arranging the work schedule. Was it DO by chance, who created the work schedules?
So, CL would know, the manager at least would know, DO as a collegue would know probably, JK would know after the message, all people who JK told about it (crowd at NH's perhaps) would know.
Did it mean: 12 days in a row for the onetime chance to abduct CL overnight?
Was it useful or even indispensable for the abductor to know about the 12 early morning shifts?
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I know, that some are of the opinion, the texting about shifts to JK could have been fake. But unfortunately we don't know, if.
The text that JK received we are told was the last text CL sent.
Of course we don't know this to be the case as her phone has not been found.

We have the statement by JK detailing the content of the text which I am sure JK has provides from her phone to police.

Is there anyone on here who knows if a text sent from a phone can be accessed other than from the phone?

What I mean here is, can a mobile provider see the content / words in a sent text?

I know they can see the detail of times, number sent to etc.
But can the content be seen remotely???

If not, the only detail available without the handset will be:
Call or SMS
Time sent
And if a call-the duration.

JK has said that this was the last message she received from CL
Have police confirmed that this was the last text Claudia sent from her phone?

The mobile phone provider will know and will have provided this as evidence to police.

What we know is that the text Claudia sent was describing a different work schedule to the one that she had previously planned around:

She was scheduled to see Suzy on 19th evening, her Dad on the Friday 20th for a catch up at The Nags and also as we know it was Mother's Day on Sunday 22nd, a visit to Mum in Malton.

The police will now know if the text was a true reflection of her work rota, as would David Oxer and management at her workplace. They will have checked this.
Police have not described the text as immaculate for their own reasoning.
Suzy and Jen in social media have not commented further in this text.

My position here is that Claudia didn't send the last text to JK. If there was a work schedule change, Claudia would be cancelling her arrangement with Suzy.

JK would spot the lie because of the pre-planned meetings
JK was on duty in Nags on night of 19th so would see CL with Suzy. This would create conflict.

Whoever sent the text was possibly buying time.

When Suzy was sat in the bar waiting for Claudia on night of 19th, did she discuss CL no show with JK and did they come to the conclusion that this was the reason for the no show???

Did the killer send the text just after they had done the nasty dead or just prior to doing so whilst in possession of CL phone-Quite a chilling thought......
 
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“The last text she sent was saying she had a row of 12 early start shifts and how she wasn’t going to have a life for a bit.
Ironic words indeed.
 
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We have the statement by JK saying what the content of the text was which I am sure JK has had to provide from her phone.
@MajorLang and sleuths, a few things are bothering me in relation to this and I wonder what you think:

1) assuming that the last text to JK was genuine, we don’t know what other texts the two had exchanged earlier that evening or the context of CL’s last text to JK. Had JK asked CL if she fancied a pint at the NH that evening and CL’s reply was a way of declining politely? It doesn’t sound like a one off text that one would send in isolation.

2) As I was working at York Uni at the time, I remember them being particular about working hours and they certainly wouldn’t have put someone down to work 12 days on the trot without a day off. Do we know if Claudia regularly worked Mon-Fri or Mon-Sat? Because maybe she meant 12 early starts on the trot, excluding Sunday when she never worked, for example.

3) Was CL’s text edited even slightly or did it read exactly as it appeared in the press? For example, if JK related it in an interview, the press would not have known how exactly it had been written, which would explain the missing ‘x’ at the end. But if that was exactly how the text read on JK’s phone, then it’s very unusual that, as well as the missing ‘x’, she wrote it in correct, standard English, rather than text language, which we know she used when texting friends. I’m no forensic linguist but that’s the kind of thing that experts flag up.
 
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