GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #1

[Tortoise]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Court told 'this was cold blooded murder which was planned from early 2016'[/h]Prosecutor Mr Trimmer said: “The Crown would say this - once Helen Bailey was effectively sedated, suffocation would have been quite simple, enabling the defendant to kill her.
“It is possible to exclude the possibility of natural disease contributing to death. There was no injuries of assault or restraint. No damage was done to her before she was put in that pit – so how was it that she died?
“The Crown say this defendant killed her as part of a long standing plan which involved the sedation of her.
“There was increasing momentum towards the business of getting married, and clear progress that Stewart would be financially secure.
“This murder was planned from early 2016. There was no doubt Stewart would benefit financially.
“This was a cold blooded murder, the defendant chose the method to obscure it and set about to do just that.”


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[h=3]Court returns tomorrow[/h]That’s the end of the evidence for today. The prosecution case will resume again tomorrow. Overall, the prosecution case is likely to take three or four weeks in total.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/live-day-one-murder-trial-12427078


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[Alyce]

So the Prosecution have a lot of evidence to put forward. Good. Very Good.

 

[mrazda71]

I'm struggling to think of a reason he would tell the cleaner at Broadstairs to leave the bedding unchanged.

I'm wondering if the bed/bedding was 'soiled' or bloodstained by Helen as he murdered her?

 

[cottonweaver]

I'm struggling to think of a reason he would tell the cleaner at Broadstairs to leave the bedding unchanged.

still catching up here but there may have been evidence on that linen. Don't want to get graphic here.....he doesn't want that cleaner to see that

ETA cross post at same time as mrazda - yes soiling was my thought. Involuntary processes at point of death etc

ETA2 - Hold on....but the cleaner is at the main home ( not Broadstairs?)

 

[Tortoise]

I'm wondering if the bed/bedding was 'soiled' or bloodstained by Helen as he murdered her?

I agree, as far as the duvet he disposed of at the tip in Royston, but in Broadstairs where he instructed the cleaner not to change the bedding, it's not clear to me why he said that.

 

[mrazda71]

So he also told the cleaner at Royston not to change the bedding ?
That I dont understand.
Surely, after suffocating Helen, he would have changed the bedding himself, just to be absolutely sure there was nothing that could indicate murder.

Have I missed something? Do we know that Helen was suffercatded?

 

[Interested Bystander]

IS claimed to be a computer expert, I believe. I can only think that was a lie too. Every computer bod I know (and we have quite a few in the family) work systematically and problem solve continuously. He seems to be a bit on the thick side. He has left so many clues to the murder. Hiding Helen's body was cunning but the rest of his story is very weak.

 

[Alyce]

So - it seems the wedding was still on - even though the relatives had not been advised of an engagement !!
so my thoughts, that the catalyst for the killing was that Helen was going to leave him, were incorrect.

Was his illness the trigger then ?
He gets a scare ( cancer was it ? ) and suddenly starts to think that time might be in short supply for him.
OK, they are getting married, after which time he can work on getting Helen to let him have more access to her money - over and above the £600 allowance he is currently getting. But this could take months.

So instead he begins the drugging.

Then, when he gets the all clear, he is so far gone with his plan, that he thinks there is no need to go through with the marriage and the slow task of getting access to the money.

 

[Alyce]

IS claimed to be a computer expert, I believe. I can only think that was a lie too. Every computer bod I know (and we have quite a few in the family) work systematically and problem solve continuously. He seems to be a bit on the thick side. He has left so many clues to the murder. Hiding Helen's body was cunning but the rest of his story is very weak.

Have you seen his websites - says it all...if not I will find the link for you

 

[cottonweaver]

IS claimed to be a computer expert, I believe. I can only think that was a lie too. Every computer bod I know (and we have quite a few in the family) work systematically and problem solve continuously. He seems to be a bit on the thick side. He has left so many clues to the murder. Hiding Helen's body was cunning but the rest of his story is very weak.

Remember the website he made - he's just a dabbler , judging by it's qaulity and by skills needed to do that. (they're not high level skills)


cross post with alice.

 

[Nellie Nelson]

I agree, as far as the duvet he disposed of at the tip in Royston, but in Broadstairs where he instructed the cleaner not to change the bedding, it's not clear to me why he said that.

This is just me making a guess...

Maybe, when he went to Broadstairs pretending to 'look for' Helen, he took something with him to plant that he hoped would serve as evidence she had been there and used that bed. For example a couple of hairs on the pillow.

 

[Alyce]

Have I missed something? Do we know that Helen was suffercatded?

Just copying this over from an earlier post that Tortoise put up.
It has been given as the most likely COD.

Prosecution say Stewart killed her, while she was sedated

The court heard Helen used electronic communication all the time, but all this activity ceased at about 11am on Monday, 11 April 2016. The last outgoing communication from Helen was an email to a friend at 10.51am on 11 April, 2016.
Stuart Trimmer, prosecuting, added: “The crown’s case is that by early afternoon on April 11 the only other person in that house, Stewart, had killed Helen, probably by suffocation, whilst she was sedated by the drugs he had given her.
“He moved her body to the garage where her body was dumped in the cesspit in the garage. Her dog Boris, a pillow slip, a dog’s toy and two black bin bags were also put in the cesspit.”



There is also another comment from the Pros saying no signs of injury, no ill health to contribute to COD.


Prosecutor Mr Trimmer said: “The Crown would say this - once Helen Bailey was effectively sedated, suffocation would have been quite simple, enabling the defendant to kill her.

“It is possible to exclude the possibility of natural disease contributing to death. There was no injuries of assault or restraint. No damage was done to her before she was put in that pit – so how was it that she died?

 

[Tortoise]

So - it seems the wedding was still on - even though the relatives had not been advised of an engagement !!
so my thoughts that Helen was going to leave him being the catalyst for the killing were incorrect.

Was his illness the trigger then ?
He gets a scare ( cancer was it ? ) and suddenly starts to think that time might be in short supply for him.
OK, they are getting married, after which time he can work on getting Helen to let him have more access to her money - over and above the £600 allowance he is currently getting. But this could take months.

So instead he begins the drugging.

Then, when he gets the all clear, he is so far gone with his plan, that he thinks there is no need to go through with the marriage and the slow task of getting access to the money.

I'm sure there is more to come about the wedding - things she may have said to friends. I still believe Helen was getting cold feet, even if she was going through the motions that day of looking at the wedding plans. I don't think he wanted to risk it not happening.

 

[Nellie Nelson]

Have I missed something? Do we know that Helen was suffercatded?

It is not clear as yet what condition helen's body was in but if there are no broken bones, no sign of water in the lungs, no evidence of burning on the skin, no sign of corroded stomach/intestines, etc. then suffocation seems the most likely cause of death. [The pillow slip being in the septic tank with Helen's body may give us a clue as to the method of suffocation]

They can't prove it though, hence the use of the term 'probable'.

 

[Alyce]

Property Values

Royston house was purchased for £1,150.000
Current value being quoted today by journos £1,500.000


Cottage in Broadstairs
Current value showing as £333,000

 

[Interested Bystander]

Have you seen his websites - says it all...if not I will find the link for you

I think I saw something Cottonweaver posted yonks ago but is no longer available. If it is not too much trouble it would be interesting to see what his websites looked like but please don't spend too much time on it.

 

[lore1]

Hi there everyone i`m new here but have been following todays events just a few thoughts we don`t know for sure that it was Helen herself on her ipad on the day of her murder,it could well have been him pretending to be Helen,and also the whole thing whilst full of holes appears IMO to have been planned a lot longer than from the beginning of 2016,something about the cesspit is not jelling I get the feeling (not reasoned I know) that he planned this quite a while ago maybe from the time he found out about the hidden part of the cesspit,and during this time was just putting a plan into action on how to kill her just maybe he never really needed sleeping tablets at all.

 

[Ironside]

My blood is boiling! I thought it was an argument that got out of hand but this seems to have been pre-planned for a long time which makes it worse. Poor poor Helen being drugged.

It's a great thing that murderers are mostly complete idiots and leave a huge amount of evidence to damn them. What a stupid man to change the standing order and to bring her phone around with him.

The defence certainly will have their work cut out!

 

[lore1]

Maybe the pillow slip (i`m taking that to mean a pillow case) is what he used to kill her dog with?

 

[Ironside]

Maybe the pillow slip (i`m taking that to mean a pillow case) is what he used to kill her dog with?

I think it would be pretty easy to snap the neck of a tiny little dog like that. Pillow slip more likely to be linked to Helen being murdered in her bed.