GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #7

[michelle230]

His head was all over the place? If only he had mentioned that, we might all have understood why he's so sure of what happened, excepting the times where things don't add up. If only he had mentioned it, Michelle!

:laughing:

Exactly Cherwell - but he may well have "Head All Over the Place but Only Sometimes" syndrome.

Have a heart!!

 

[Alyce]

Here's some dates for a Cambridgeshire College for 2016 - which bears out what you say Loz....an inset day ( training ) on April 11




Summer term 2016
Training Day Monday 11 April 2016
Summer Term Tuesday 12 April


http://www.abbeycollege.cambs.sch.uk/index.php/weekly-updates/term-dates-2015-16-2016-17

Just bringing this back up for Cotton

 

[michelle230]

Exactly Cherwell - but he may well have "Head All Over the Place but Only Sometimes" syndrome.

Have a heart!!

Uhhh sorry...meant Lozda! Damn that syndrome:banghead:

 

[Moll]

RisenBishop
Stewart seems to have had a very boring life for someone who from your diagnosis above thrives on chaos and fantasy. How would you account for that? Ill health inhibiting his real personality?

 

[Cherwell]

Mr Fossil though was a case in point.

Oh indeed. But I'm talking more about something like in the Joanna Yeates case - trying to find out who occupied all the other flats in the building. Obviously the police knew all this from the start, but it was always on the cards that a neighbour had the best opportunity so I wanted to know who they all were. We all spend hours on stuff the police already know

 

[cottonweaver]

wow , all that's fascinating Risen Bishop, so thankyou. "


I can't add anything to your illuminating post but reminds me:

- One of the MH social workers also noted that when the police popped back into to Hartwell he made a conscious effort to "relax his shouders" etc and look calmer. ( Will try and find the full testimony but basically he had been getting stroppy/play acting distressed for the benefit of the MH SWs and then saw the cops pass the living room etc and so switched immediately to cool mode. )
- again the "TLC is wearing thin" comment from HB when IS was under duress from his cancer scare ( Will try and find the full reference IIRC this was Feb. ) So maybe that could be interpreted as him getting ratty and cranky as the sickness is messing with his plans.


Pure speculation on my part of course ............ but WS specialises in speculation.

Totally off topic - when I looked at Bedford prison last night I passed by the curious fact that Bunyan had written A Pilgrim's Progress in there. We used to joke at work re "The Slough of Despond" not really u'standing it's significance but basically IS is not in the Slough!

He is getting off on the stress of this trial, it's soothing him, engaging him, salving him."

 

[cheeseman]

I promise I wasn't suggesting anyone was currently being mean - more that I could see it slipping down that road. I understand good old fashioned humour and mocking, but I just thought it was worth mentioning that these are just people doing their best to remember things. It's been a long old time since last April and they will have gone over it in their minds a million times. Some things are going to seem concrete in their minds after all this time, even though we know, with the benefit of all the other information, that it can't be possible.

If they visit these threads at some stage in the future (and I would absolutely expect them to, being so closely tied to it), I'd rather we weren't calling them names or being overtly mean about them just because they've said things (which they absolutely believe to be true, as per usual witness testimony), that don't fit the events we know to have happened with the benefit of the whole history of evidence.

I wasn't calling anyone out - I promise. It was just a gentle reminder - I need them a lot of the time too! x

Seriously, this is the nicest, most polite forum I've ever encountered in many years on the web. Mind you, the sorts of forums I'm usually on (motorbikes and computing) are renowned for being cutting!

 

[cheeseman]

Oh that is lovely... pics will definately be required

Hear hear! This is wonderful news and it would be fantastic if at the end of this all there were pictures of Bailey to show off to all who have been interested in this horrible case.

 

[cheeseman]

IS said that Helen did not walk Boris that morning. Why would anyone believe a casual passer-by.

Out of interest I have tracked down a weather station in Letchworth Garden City which is not too far from Royston and even nearer to where IS/HB lived (I think)

Unfortunately it shows 4mm of rain for llth April whereas Cambridge says no rain. As we know rain can be very local and this may mean nothing but I attach (I hope) the read-out for 11th April 2016. Unfortunately the table does not split it down to actual timing unlike Wunderground.


http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/le...ril-weather/2311113?monyr=4/1/2016&view=table

So these witnesses for the defence confirm IS to be a liar as he said that Helen almost certainly didn't walk Boris that day.

 

[ColourPurple]

I have a vision in my head of this woman. The words small, town, busy body, curtain twitcher, come to mind. Obviously I could be totally wrong

Well this made me laugh because I used to live next door to an old lady just like that. I might have mentioned her before. She was the typical nosy neighbour, knew everybody's business and routines and even kept track of things in her daily diary(including arguments she could hear through the wall lol). I was once disturbed in the middle of a bath by a loud banging at my door and a bloke shouting to see if I was OK. Turns out I'd had the bath that full that water was pouring out of the overflow pipe outside and she thought there was a flood and had fetched him to come and break in. Anyway, the reason I might have mentioned her before is because years after I moved out, one of her neighbours was attacked and left for dead in his own home. The only reason he was found in time to save his life (although he never regained consciousness) was because she noticed that his landing light had been left on all night and contacted his relatives, who broke in and found him.

 

[TheRisenBishop]

RisenBishop
Stewart seems to have had a very boring life for someone who from your diagnosis above thrives on chaos and fantasy. How would you account for that? Ill health inhibiting his real personality?

Hi Moll, I said he was thriving on the chaos and fantasy of this trial. In general life, he would get this from controlling and manipulating people, the death of his first wife, his long thought out plot to kill Helen and Boris. All these things would generate the stress to sate his emotional needs.

I never meant psychopath's lives are chaotic. Rather, I meant they thrive on it when it presents itself and some, when it doesn't present itself, will engineer it for themselves.

ETA: I should add this is an informed observation and definitely not a "diagnosis". Goes without saying, I know, but just covering my

 

[hunkerdown]

Hunkerdown - this is the best news we've heard all day. And loving the name Bailey for your little Dachshund. Such a good thing for you to do - very healing and a wonderful way to honour the life of Helen and Boris - and your friendship x

We felt so strongly after hearing that Helen and Boris had been found in such a horrific place that we wanted something positive and joyful to remember them both every single day - a new dachshund life seemed like the perfect memorial.


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[ColourPurple]

BTW apologies if this has already been posted but it was suggested to IS yesterday by Mr T that Helen could well have mentioned going to the doctor to discuss her over tiredness and falling asleep. He put it to IS that the doctor would have run blood tests as a matter of course tests and then of course the drugs in her system would have shown up.
Also (apologies again if already been posted) he discussed with IS his statement about making Helen her scrambled eggs breakfast. Mr T put it to him that at that time of course it didn`t really matter that he`d given this fact in his statement.
However, now it was a different matter in light of the findings, and therefore suddenly IS had to change his story (please remember that this poor guy is confused and his head is all over the place lol) about making her breakfast that morning.

Ah so as soon as he knew they'd found zopiclone in Helen's body he suddenly decided he hadn't made her breakfast that day after all?Glad Trimmer highlighted that.

 

[faybradshaw]

RisenBishop, are you saying there's little likelihood of IS falling to pieces, even with Trimmer's hard grilling of him? I wonder then,how he's going to react to a guilty verdict - he still has some sort of power while he's on trial, but his 'power' will be stripped once the trial is over.

 

[cottonweaver]

Just seen that Tara Cox, has added a couple of sentences to her live feed today , may as well paste it up

as per UL below

Witness had not seen Helen wearing that type of clothing before
Mrs John said Helen was wearing a stone or beige pair of trousers and a shirt of the same colour when she saw the author on April 11. Trimmer: “You’d never seen Helen on a similar occasion wearing clothes like that?”
Mrs John: “No. When I saw Helen on April 11 I thought I hadn’t seen Helen for a long time, I’d only ever seen her in a blue and white striped top.”
Trimmer: “This person didn’t look like classic Helen Bailey, did she?
Mrs John: “No”

(didn't feed any other news sources which added anything to the reporting today. )

 

[TheRisenBishop]

RisenBishop, are you saying there's little likelihood of IS falling to pieces, even with Trimmer's hard grilling of him? I wonder then,how he's going to react to a guilty verdict - he still has some sort of power while he's on trial, but his 'power' will be stripped once the trial is over.

Yes, I'd say zero chance of him falling to pieces. When the trial is over, he will no doubt seek grounds to appeal and keep the whole sorry charade going for as long as possible. He already knows he's lost the verdict; he's just enjoying himself until the party's over.

 

[Moll]

Hi Moll, I said he was thriving on the chaos and fantasy of this trial. In general life, he would get this from controlling and manipulating people, the death of his first wife, his long thought out plot to kill Helen and Boris. All these things would generate the stress to sate his emotional needs.

I never meant psychopath's lives are chaotic. Rather, I meant they thrive on it when it presents itself and some, when it doesn't present itself, will engineer it for themselves.

Thanks,RB.
I do realise this is complex.
I think I've known one, in particular, but he chose a setting in Africa where he could more easily dispense with normal rules and move on when things got difficult.
It's actually more of a shock in a domestic setting. Malcolm Webster comes to mind again - 'The Widower'.

ETA
I should say that my use of the term 'diagnosis' in my previous post was loose and not intended to hold you responsible professionally or in any other way!

 

[Moll]

Just seen that Tara Cox, has added a couple of sentences to her live feed today , may as well paste it up

as per UL below

Witness had not seen Helen wearing that type of clothing before
Mrs John said Helen was wearing a stone or beige pair of trousers and a shirt of the same colour when she saw the author on April 11. Trimmer: “You’d never seen Helen on a similar occasion wearing clothes like that?”
Mrs John: “No. When I saw Helen on April 11 I thought I hadn’t seen Helen for a long time, I’d only ever seen her in a blue and white striped top.”
Trimmer: “This person didn’t look like classic Helen Bailey, did she?
Mrs John: “No”

(didn't feed any other news sources which added anything to the reporting today. )

Oh, that's good - she has agreed this wasn't how Helen normally looked. A vital footnote!

 

[icemaiden65]

Just seen that Tara Cox, has added a couple of sentences to her live feed today , may as well paste it up

as per UL below

Witness had not seen Helen wearing that type of clothing before
Mrs John said Helen was wearing a stone or beige pair of trousers and a shirt of the same colour when she saw the author on April 11. Trimmer: “You’d never seen Helen on a similar occasion wearing clothes like that?”
Mrs John: “No. When I saw Helen on April 11 I thought I hadn’t seen Helen for a long time, I’d only ever seen her in a blue and white striped top.”
Trimmer: “This person didn’t look like classic Helen Bailey, did she?
Mrs John: “No”

(didn't feed any other news sources which added anything to the reporting today. )

This is NOT meant to be flippant. Surely IS didn't have a chance to go out in drag at any point in the time line? I know, totally different stature etc. etc - just a wild card really. OK, silly thought - far too risky and also he had a lot of other things to do that day.

 

[neteditor]

Yes, I'd say zero chance of him falling to pieces. When the trial is over, he will no doubt seek grounds to appeal and keep the whole sorry charade going for as long as possible. He already knows he's lost the verdict; he's just enjoying himself until the party's over.

Sorry if this was asked and answered already, would you think he is thriving on the stress of prison? Would this inherent ability to manage - if that's the right word - stress mean it would have less of an impact on his MG?