Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #3 *ARREST*

[CoverMeCagney]

I’d like to know more about kind bearded man. Where did the description of older, grey bearded man originate from? I know he has come forward but still...something is bugging me.

He has been cleared by police. I reckon he was seen by a witness or bus dashcam or something. The police put out an appeal to find a man with long grey hair and a beard at teatime Friday and he'd come forward by that night and been very helpful. Cleared.

 

[sundaaaay]

I think part of the problem with the Hull River is the sediment which obscures the view. It would make the search very difficult if the body was caught against something and being held underwater. I'm not sure how strong the current is at the moment or how far a body could be carried, but the river to me is the logical place she ended up unfortunately.

 

[KING Charles]

I was wondering after LS had been in the car and had started to warm up she decided she needed the toilet after all the drink she’d had earlier. This could be the reason they ended up at the park. Just at the entrance of the parks car park there are toilets there. I think someone mentioned in an earlier post that it was a house on its own, but I walked around there on google and can quite clearly see the two doors and just make out the sign of the female entrance. Things could have have gone from bad to worse once they arrived there. Well it is a possibility maybe. Also a couple of days ago the police blocked the car park off to the public and that’s what made me take a walk to see what the building was.

 

[jessie]

Is it possible to drive into the part of the park near the play area? On google I can see what looks like two paths forking off from Oak Road. I'm not referring to the car park area but further right (on googlemap). Are these paths that a car could drive down?

 

[sundaaaay]

To me the question is not why he picked her up in the first place, he may well have been doing a good deed bringing her home. She looked like she needed help as he drove by. They may have had consensual sex, but to me the biggest question is why did he leave her in the park? And thats the question the police are still probably trying to find out right now, because who would he leave a girl he was supposedly trying to help, drunk and alone in a park like that in the middle of a night in winter.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I think part of the problem with the Hull River is the sediment which obscures the view. It would make the search very difficult if the body was caught against something and being held underwater. I'm not sure how strong the current is at the moment or how far a body could be carried, but the river to me is the logical place she ended up unfortunately.

I agree about the river. You would think so much land searching in the park would have found something by now. I saw a programme on tv recently where they used cadaver dogs (grim, sorry) who could identify an area on the bank where someone may have gone in the water. I wonder if they have already brought them in.

 

[Sera]

To me the question is not why he picked her up in the first place, he may well have been doing a good deed bringing her home. She looked like she needed help as he drove by. They may have had consensual sex, but to me the biggest question is why did he leave her in the park? And thats the question the police are still probably trying to find out right now, because who would he leave a girl he was supposedly trying to help, drunk and alone in a park like that in the middle of a night in winter.

If sexual activity took place then there's not a chance it was consensual given how intoxicated LS was.

 

[MancGuy Uk]

If the police end up charging suspect for abduction and/or murder/manslaughter and they believe LS ended up in the river then does anyone know how long they'd keep looking? I really do hope she's still alive or suspect (if guilty) tells them where to find her but if he didn't then would they go all out to search the river for her or would it end up being a privately funded search like in Emiliano Sala's case? I feel as though the police would do everything they could to find her but do they have enough funding to use all the special underwater cameras etc?

If she is still alive like we are all hoping which is the best outcome in this case then who would be keeping watch over her so she don’t escape? has the last few days he has been in police custody and why would the screaming have stopped after 15 minutes?

I do think the police would keep searching the river if that’s the case I remember the Megan Roberts case in York it did take a few weeks to find her

 

[Deleted member 238128]

He has been cleared by police. I reckon he was seen by a witness or bus dashcam or something. The police put out an appeal to find a man with long grey hair and a beard at teatime Friday and he'd come forward by that night and been very helpful. Cleared.

It just seems so unlikely to me that he would be there offering help right as the suspect was sitting around the corner. Probably just my cynical mind...If he’s cleared, he’s cleared but the odds of that happening are unreal. If Libby had accepted his help...

 

[sundaaaay]

Is it possible to drive into the part of the park near the play area? On google I can see what looks like two paths forking off from Oak Road. I'm not referring to the car park area but further right (on googlemap). Are these paths that a car could drive down?

No these are not paths a car can drive down, these are footpaths. I think people are confused by the scale of Google maps, the park is not that large and is easily walkable. For example, if you walked from the entrance to the park to the River Hull it would only be 340 metres. A person can walk 300 metres about 4 minutes.

 

[cheekychap]

Well from the current developments Ive passed for thought.
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When she was on the bench and it was cold that night so in wondering if he offered if she wanted to sit in his car rather than out in the cold, possibly said can we go for a drive. If your upset sometimes this helps calm down.

During the drive something was said or done she panicked, he made an advance, I'm thinking is there are traffic lights near the park? She wanted to get away from him and the best option to evade someone in a car is the park. Snow was still on the ground then. This is the assumption the reported screams were her, but going by police presence it points towards this.

He ran after her, either with bad intentions or maybe just to sort out the misunderstanding. If she was attacked and murdered in the park I would think this would leave substantial trace evidence and be alot quicker than 30 minutes. Another possibility he ran after her in a chasing and hiding senerio and could of fell in the river.

I guess he could use the excuse she needed the loo and took her to a park, but are they even open at night? Seems very odd, put plausible and he mentioned that he had a ciggerettte on the bench they were examining.

 

[Aizeneh]

A few thoughts - the Alice Gross case where her body was weighed down in water for some time before she was found, even when Police had searched the area.

The man who stopped and was cleared may have his own dash cam footage which is why they could be so sure he was in the clear. That might be useful to LE and we wouldn’t have been told about it.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Meet the benches:

Bench 1 - at the corner of Beverley Road and Haworth Street where Libby was last seen. Grey Beard spoke to her there and PR's alleged car was parked just metres away.

Bench 2 - in the park, the same park from which "dark, eerie screams" were heard, exact location undetermined, CSI very interested and were there tonight but it was dark so we don't know which bench it was (can someone post a pic of them at the bench please?)

Approx distance between the two benches: 600-700 metres.
Approx time between Libby leaving bench 1 and screams from near bench 2: 10-20 minutes

 

[Sera]

I'd be interested to know if anyone saw lights (e.g. PR's phone torch) in the park but I doubt it since I don't think any of the houses near there would really have a clear enough view. I just feel as though it would have been so dark, if they went to the park AT ALL then they'd have needed a light to see. I wonder if any of the buildings on the other side of the river had CCTV good enough to make out a light by the river in the correct timeframe. Even if it didn't clearly show a person/people, surely a light would be taken as being a torch, and anyone holding a torch by a river bank at gone midnight would clearly be suspicious IMO.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

To me the question is not why he picked her up in the first place, he may well have been doing a good deed bringing her home. She looked like she needed help as he drove by. They may have had consensual sex, but to me the biggest question is why did he leave her in the park? And thats the question the police are still probably trying to find out right now, because who would he leave a girl he was supposedly trying to help, drunk and alone in a park like that in the middle of a night in winter.

I can't imagine consensual personally. Freezing cold and outside, drunk and distraught. Maybe with a boyfriend (I'm getting old, even that seems unlikely to me) but not a stranger.

 

[Sera]

"The forensic team seem to be taking close up photos and putting down markers"

Police get more time to quiz Libby suspect as search continues

Time of photos approx 19:54 Saturday 9th Feb 2019.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

I agree about the river. You would think so much land searching in the park would have found something by now. I saw a programme on tv recently where they used cadaver dogs (grim, sorry) who could identify an area on the bank where someone may have gone in the water. I wonder if they have already brought them in.

Interesting thought - have we seen any footage of dogs assisting the search yet?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I'd be interested to know if anyone saw lights (e.g. PR's phone torch) in the park but I doubt it since I don't think any of the houses near there would really have a clear enough view. I just feel as though it would have been so dark, if they went to the park AT ALL then they'd have needed a light to see. I wonder if any of the buildings on the other side of the river had CCTV good enough to make out a light by the river in the correct timeframe. Even if it didn't clearly show a person/people, surely a light would be taken as being a torch, and anyone holding a torch by a river bank at gone midnight would clearly be suspicious IMO.

That's a really good point. Also, pitch black (presumably). V tricky handling a torch/phone with torch and a person? I think he would have got v muddy too.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I was wondering after LS had been in the car and had started to warm up she decided she needed the toilet after all the drink she’d had earlier. This could be the reason they ended up at the park. Just at the entrance of the parks car park there are toilets there. I think someone mentioned in an earlier post that it was a house on its own, but I walked around there on google and can quite clearly see the two doors and just make out the sign of the female entrance. Things could have have gone from bad to worse once they arrived there. Well it is a possibility maybe. Also a couple of days ago the police blocked the car park off to the public and that’s what made me take a walk to see what the building was.

Annoyingly, I can't get into the carpark on streetview. Do you have a picture of the toilet entrance? The house I'm referring to is the red brick one which looks like a private home. I can see on an aerial view that there is another building on the other side of the car park but can't look at it from the ground.

 

[jiminy]

Meet the benches:

That gave me a much needed giggle.