UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #36

[CatsnChickens]

And Dr Lee. He has been approached by the defence and then decided to amend a research paper from 1989 so that it is in agreement with them. Its clearly bias.

This can't be done by the doctors whim these papers are all peer reviewed before publication so it is just him saying it it does not change the content of the original.

He is perfectly entitled to say that he thinks it is now wrong or outdated but it does not change what is in the public domain.

 

[esther43]

You just have to accept that nobody would notice any insulin was missing, I think.

Which is probably why in the case of Alit that entire viles were found at her property and no one noticed they were missing.

 

[mrC]

dr lee has no skin in this game he is not getting paid just the 14 other doctors who agreed with him, arnt none of them have been paid for the work they have nothing to gain ethere way

 

[ZeroAlpha]

 

[esther43]

I'm interested to know what people are thinking about babies physiology being different in respect of the insulin cases. Do we think this is evidence based or a case of "my mate Trevor...'?

 

[furbabies]

Absolutely this. Obviously a different situation but it reminds me of how when someone goes missing, if their partner doesn't act and come across a certain way then they themselves are accused of all kinds without any evidence. I know in some instances there may be truth in that but sometimes not so much..Thankfully we don't convict on that alone, imagine it! Jmo.

yep a partner is in shock so they could act very upset, or the other way and very calm as in shock.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I'm interested to know what people are thinking about babies physiology being different in respect of the insulin cases. Do we think this is evidence based or a case of "my mate Trevor...'?

ive been wondering that big time. doesnt sound right to me. in court was quoted as being off thye scale of measurable so how is that in the eys of the new guys "normal for a neonate"? and how did it go through the system without getting flagged indeed the opposite, with most saying its level of abnormality is remarkable.

 

[furbabies]

I'm interested to know what people are thinking about babies physiology being different in respect of the insulin cases. Do we think this is evidence based or a case of "my mate Trevor...'?

apparantely from a author here insulin is not regulated at a hospital, i find that strange.? she says not checked how much used etc ...very strange to me.

 

[joltz]

dr lee has no skin in this game he is not getting paid just the 14 other doctors who agreed with him, arnt none of them have been paid for the work they have nothing to gain ethere way

Disagree, he has had his evidence rejected at appeal and from accounts he was given a difficult time and made to look inept. He's scorned.

 

[ZeroAlpha]

Surely the hospital pharmacist would keep a note of everything that is ordered, distributed and then used on each ward?

 

[furbabies]

Surely the hospital pharmacist would keep a note of everything that is ordered, distributed and then used on each ward?

agree, but a nurse posted here they do not with insuline, but if they did nothing found missing?

 

[joltz]

This can't be done by the doctors whim these papers are all peer reviewed before publication so it is just him saying it it does not change the content of the original.

He is perfectly entitled to say that he thinks it is now wrong or outdated but it does not change what is in the public domain.

That's not correct. Its an open access document that's been published very quickly. It was submitted on the 23rd November and published on the 27th December. There is no mention of peer reviews. Its literally a 6 page document. I would question the credibility of an article published on an open source platform where the authors pay to have their articles published.

Academics can pay to have their articles published, without peer reviews.

 

[furbabies]

That's not correct. Its an open access document that's been published very quickly. It was submitted on the 23rd November and published on the 27th December. There is no mention of peer reviews. Its literally a 6 page document. I would question the credibility of an article published on an open source platform where the authors pay to have their articles published.

Academics can pay to have their articles published, without peer reviews.

but on 4th feb 25 its said on news that a few top medics say she well may not have done it....so it goes to a retrial i suspect....so why was this evidence not brought up earlier in first trial?????

 

[joltz]

agree, but a nurse posted here they do not with insuline, but if they did nothing found missing?

Insulin is an uncontrolled drug in the NHS. Any nurse can access it.
The insulin usage increased in 2015/2016 at COC. From memory I think it may have doubled. They showed the usage in previous years and there was a definite uplift for 2015 and 2016.

 

[Honeybirdette]

way out of line. is paywalled.

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Well If letby is granted a retrial now - How could he be seen as a non biased and credible defence witness now? He’s just f **** ed himself truly lmao

 

[Sweeper2000]

Well If letby is granted a retrial now - How could he be seen as a non biased and credible defence witness now? He’s just f **** ed himself truly lmao

Isn't that mark McDonald's job? Lol

 

[mrC]

even if you ustion doctor lees impartially what about the other 13 doctors who agree with him most of whom dident even know who lucy letby is

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I mean you could find experts who disagree with each other for every murder case out there. That doesn't mean convicted murderers should keep getting new trials.

 

[Moll]

Two articles from The Guardian attempting to present a balanced account of recent events.

Lucy Letby murder convictions: what did the expert panel find?

Group concludes babies died due to natural causes or errors in medical care, saying there was no evidence of deliberate harm

www.theguardian.com

After experts find ‘no medical evidence’ of murder, will Lucy Letby get a retrial?

Former nurse is serving 15 whole-life terms in prison yet an appeal is not guaranteed despite findings of expert panel

www.theguardian.com

Extract:

'So is a referral back to the appeal court a certainty?​

While those watching the press conference on Tuesday may assume so, others believe it is far from guaranteed.

A source at the CCRC said that despite the “huge groundswell of public opinion” on the case, that did not mean it would persuade appeal court judges. They said: “The court of appeal don’t like expert shopping, as they call it. They just say, you can keep going around until you find the right expert that will agree with you, but that’s not what it’s about.”'

 

[mrC]

but when one group of eperts is getting paid aand another group isnt i know whoi believe, especially when there a much larger group