UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[May72031]

I will be following along and I do expect all her convictions to be overturned, there are other convictions in UK courts that I don't think are sound, and I continue to follow them for years in the hope that the conviction is squashed or a new trial granted such as Michael Stone, 25 years post his convictions and he is still fighting his miscarriage of justice IMO

What basis is there for thinking all of her convictions are going to be overturned? I hear this a lot from Letbyists, and quite a few of them were adamant that she would have been released already. Mark McDonald believes Beverley Allitt is innocent. Do you believe Allitt was a miscarriage of justice, Joe?

 

[Jules2021]

What basis is there for thinking all of her convictions are going to be overturned? I hear this a lot from Letbyists, and quite a few of them were adamant that she would have been released already. Mark McDonald believes Beverley Allitt is innocent. Do you believe Allitt was a miscarriage of justice, Joe?

Blimey, is there anyone he concedes is actually guilty at this point?!

 

[katydid23]

I think it fine to discuss evidence from the trial,

I think if your baby is born weeks before it is due it is seriously ill,

You may 'think' that, but it is not true that a premature baby is ' seriously ill.' The baby is just premature and needs time to mature, and needs conditions similar to 'in utero' conditions. So they put them in little protective pod like beds, monitor their vitals and temperature, change their diapers and cuddle them. They are not ' seriously ill'--- they are just not fully developed yet. Some have lungs that are not fully formed so they may need oxygen supplements for awhile.

it needs constant full time monitoring and observation, yes most do survive and thrive, but to get to that stage they have to be provided huge amounts of medical intervention to keep them alive as they get stronger,

No, I think you are over estimating the type of care they need. COC did not take in the most seriously ill patients. They did not need 'huge amounts of medical intervention. ' These babies were not critical care, fragile preemies on the edge.

That is why this case was so baffling at first, because these babies were not expected to collapse and die. They were all considered healthy with high probability of being sent home soon.

We shall see how strong her convictions are as she has all the time in the world to challenge them, we shall see if opinions change, experts come forward with new interpretations of the evidence,

The problem for Nurse Lucy is she was caught out at trial, for falsifying her medical logs, trying to distance herself from some of the victims.She was caught writing incorrect details about which nurseries she was in and what she was doing at critical times.

No one is going to be able to correct that for her. She falsified medical notes and observations and there was evidence proving she was lying. The jurors probably decided that it showed guilt. So if they have to decide between which medical expert is telling the truth, they are probably going with the prosecution because there was no reason for her to lie about which nursery she was in, if she was innocent.

I will be following along and I do expect all her convictions to be overturned,

Really?

there are other convictions in UK courts that I don't think are sound, and I continue to follow them for years in the hope that the conviction is squashed or a new trial granted such as Michael Stone, 25 years post his convictions and he is still fighting his miscarriage of justice IMO

 

[joltz]

I have looked at all the stats, premature babies die because they are premature many times, and by dint of only being premature, and I would think needing to be monitored 24 hours a day, in an incubator, hooked up to every device modern ,medicine has to keep pre term babies alive is the evidence of being on a knife edge, they were babies who should have still been in the womb,

Sorry but that's absolute rubbish. Are you medically trained at all, just wondering. These babies are not on a knife edge whatsoever. Where have you read this, where did you get this opinion from? Some of the babies in this case were ready to go home. Some just needed help feeding and some breathing support, which is absolutely bog standard neonatal care ( or what Letby called "boring") the collapses of these babies had no medical explanations, the suffered sudden acute arrests and had an alarmingly unusual lack of response to normal resuscitation methods. The drs and consultants at COC deal with hundreds of babies every year, they know what is normal and what is not normal. What happened here is not normal. Neonatal care is not brain surgery. The staff know what drugs to administer and pretty much exactly the response that the baby will give. The survival rate for babies at 32 weeks and above is over 95%. The majority of these babies were in an improving condition and in the ones that did have issues, these issues were not the cause of their collapses or deaths. I think to believe what you have posted, you must really be telling yourself a pack of lies, in all honesty.

JMO

 

[joltz]

I don't agree, but we shall see how it plays out, I have more faith in an appellate issue being more successful than anything the CCRC will do

Michael Stone, Ben Geen, Lucy Letby. All McDonald clients and all guilty. Not sure how anyone can take this man seriously. He's the definition of a blithering buffoon crossed with a snake oil salesman.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Amen Joltz.