UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[marynnu]

Hardly crack pots. Some of these people are very intelligent and well qualified,

Those qualities are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Charlot123]

Most of us are basing our opinions upon a lengthy, well investigated and well litigated jury trial and the juror's deliberations.

Some others are basing their opinions upon faulty, unfounded baseless articles written by crack pots looking for clicks and publicity. IMO

With all respect, I think sometimes the ultimate goal of such threads/forums may be easily lost, as the above post amply demonstrates.

Is the goal of the thread to find justice?

Or is it to throw ad hominem attacks including both the posters, the investigators in the case of Lucy Letby, Lucy Letby, the hospital and other participants?

We all might get too emotional about certain cases. But people like the COCH NICU senior doctors, or Dr. Evans, or the barristers should agree to the consequences. In high-power cases, notoriety might be positive or negative. This is what inevitably comes with money or fame. But what’s the use of one internet “handle” throwing accusations at another similar handle?

In terms of the ultimate goals of the case: 1) Justice;
2) improving the care on the maternity and neonatal wards;
3) potentially, improving the trial systems in highly specific cases, that might be “above pay grade” for most of us;

- statements like “Some others are basing their opinions upon faulty, unfounded baseless articles written by crack pots looking for clicks and publicity” indicate that the target has shifted and ultimately, got lost.

I am off to watch “Midsomer Murders” that’s funnier and Planet Earth in all its incarnations. Both are entertaining.

I’ll be back when it comes to discussing the case, though.

 

[Parker Knoll]

The 'Free Lucy Letby' protesters frustrated by progress of bid to overturn convictions

Supporters fear the Criminal Cases Review Commission is taking a wait-and-see approach to Letby’s case

inews.co.uk

Patience is a virtue as they say.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Scandal-hit nursing regulator finally admits: We got it wrong on Lucy Letby

Exclusive: New Nursing and Midwifery Council chief apologises over failure to investigate sexual misconduct claims and admits killer nurse Lucy Letby should have been suspended much earlier – after series of exposes by The Independent

www.independent.co.uk

Nice to see SOME accountability here for once.

 

[katydid23]

Scandal-hit nursing regulator finally admits: We got it wrong on Lucy Letby

Exclusive: New Nursing and Midwifery Council chief apologises over failure to investigate sexual misconduct claims and admits killer nurse Lucy Letby should have been suspended much earlier – after series of exposes by The Independent

www.independent.co.uk

Nice to see SOME accountability here for once.

Oh Geeeze----when I read the byline--We Got It Wrong On Lucy Letby---I thought he was another crackpot flat earther.....

 

[May72031]

Scandal-hit nursing regulator finally admits: We got it wrong on Lucy Letby

Exclusive: New Nursing and Midwifery Council chief apologises over failure to investigate sexual misconduct claims and admits killer nurse Lucy Letby should have been suspended much earlier – after series of exposes by The Independent

www.independent.co.uk

Nice to see SOME accountability here for once.

Lots of Letby cranks in the comments...

 

[Marantz4250b]

Someone gifted me a WS Guardianship - many thanks to whoever it was

 

[Marantz4250b]

Lots of Letby cranks in the comments...

It shocks me just how deluded some people are. Having said that, it's actually kind of understandable that people believe this due the the case being very long and complicated and many, many of the reports in the media being incomplete or just downright wrong!

 

[Sweeper2000]

It shocks me just how deluded some people are. Having said that, it's actually kind of understandable that people believe this due the the case being very long and complicated and many, many of the reports in the media being incomplete or just downright wrong!

I genuinely don't believe the standard of content in the media actually plays much of a role there. I think allot of them are probably less able to really think logically rather than emotionally about what in truth is a complex situation.

Maybe the presence of cctv of the acts themselves would change it but that would be due to the feelings that seeing such a thing would bring and the cost to the viewer but on the other hand one would be at liberty to say its AI or otherwise faked fitting the conspiracy narrative.

Very much may cooler heads prevail.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I genuinely don't believe the standard of content in the media actually plays much of a role there. I think allot of them are probably less able to really think logically rather than emotionally about what in truth is a complex situation.

Maybe the presence of cctv of the acts themselves would change it but that would be due to the feelings that seeing such a thing would bring and the cost to the viewer but on the other hand one would be at liberty to say its AI or otherwise faked fitting the conspiracy narrative.

Very much may cooler heads prevail.

Oh yes, I certainly get that and it's definitely the driving force behind things, but the standard of reporting I think significantly contributes to it.

The point I've always made - which is significant - is the one where they almost always say something along the lines of ....doctors/the hospital/investigators centred on Letby after noticing an unexplained spike in deaths... or similar. That is completely and utterly wrong in every respect. That is absolutely not what happened, yet we hear it repeated over and over and over again like some religious dogma which must be accepted as literal truth.

It may sound like a minor point in the great scheme of things but it is far from minor as it sets up the reader's mindset incorrectly from the off. It gets people into thinking that they saw some figures, misinterpreted them and charged off on a path fuelled by tunnel-vision, ending up locking up poor innocent "nice" Lucy who lived her life almost as a Saint.

The news media literally must be reading this site - it's a huge, internationally well known, true crime site which gets millions of views and has somewhere like a million plus posts. It's mentioned numerous times in YouTube documentaries. The mainstream news outlets MUST have read the multiple posts by me alone on this particular subject yet they continue to promulgate that particular falsehood. It's lazy, dishonest journalism which does a grave disservice to everyone involved, especially the people who read the oft repeated rubbish from a position of coming to the case afresh.

I'm genuinely thinking of adding that fact to my signature as I'm getting sick and tired of having to repeat myself!

News outlets PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS POINT!

Edit: while I'm on a bit of a rant, I'll address the other oft repeated falsehood - that of the shift rota chart being a statistic. It wasn't. It was never presented as such. As a matter of simple fact, applying the definition of "statistic", it is not one. As far as I recall it was mentioned twice in a ten month trial. It was a simple statement of corresponding facts which the jury were entitled to attach as much weight (or none) to as they saw fit. Nothing more.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Oh yes, I certainly get that and it's definitely the driving force behind things, but the standard of reporting I think significantly contributes to it.

The point I've always made - which is significant - is the one where they almost always say something along the lines of ....doctors/the hospital/investigators centred on Letby after noticing an unexplained spike in deaths... or similar. That is completely and utterly wrong in every respect. That is absolutely not what happened, yet we hear it repeated over and over and over again like some religious dogma which must be accepted as literal truth.

It may sound like a minor point in the great scheme of things but it is far from minor as it sets up the reader's mindset incorrectly from the off. It gets people into thinking that they saw some figures, misinterpreted them and charged off on a path fuelled by tunnel-vision, ending up locking up poor innocent "nice" Lucy who lived her life almost as a Saint.

The news media literally must be reading this site - it's a huge, internationally well known, true crime site which gets millions of views and has somewhere like a million plus posts. It's mentioned numerous times in YouTube documentaries. The mainstream news outlets MUST have read the multiple posts by me alone on this particular subject yet they continue to promulgate that particular falsehood. It's lazy, dishonest journalism which does a grave disservice to everyone involved, especially the people who read the oft repeated rubbish from a position of coming to the case afresh.

I'm genuinely thinking of adding that fact to my signature as I'm getting sick and tired of having to repeat myself!

News outlets PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS POINT!

Edit: while I'm on a bit of a rant, I'll address the other oft repeated falsehood - that of the shift rota chart being a statistic. It wasn't. It was never presented as such. As a matter of simple fact, applying the definition of "statistic", it is not one. As far as I recall it was mentioned twice in a ten month trial. It was a simple statement of corresponding facts which the jury were entitled to attach as much weight (or none) to as they saw fit. Nothing more.

I think you may be right. I got to the Christmas card fanaticism before the papers. You heard it here first folks. The mirror owes me money. Here's your proof Ruth.

"I send Lucy Letby Christmas cards and Disney gifts but prison has made bizarre change'​

Supporters of killer nurse Lucy Letby have sent a 'mountain' of letters and gifts to the notorious prison where she'll spend the rest of her days, but it's allegedly sparked extreme measures from guards"​

'I send Lucy Letby Christmas cards and Disney gifts, I got her all wrong'

Supporters of killer nurse Lucy Letby have sent a 'mountain' of letters and gifts to the notorious prison where she'll spend the rest of her days, but it's allegedly sparked extreme measures from guards

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[marynnu]

I think you may be right. I got to the Christmas card fanaticism before the papers. You heard it here first folks. The mirror owes me money. Here's your proof Ruth.

"I send Lucy Letby Christmas cards and Disney gifts but prison has made bizarre change'​

Supporters of killer nurse Lucy Letby have sent a 'mountain' of letters and gifts to the notorious prison where she'll spend the rest of her days, but it's allegedly sparked extreme measures from guards"​

'I send Lucy Letby Christmas cards and Disney gifts, I got her all wrong'

Supporters of killer nurse Lucy Letby have sent a 'mountain' of letters and gifts to the notorious prison where she'll spend the rest of her days, but it's allegedly sparked extreme measures from guards

www.mirror.co.uk

These people are sick in the head.

 

[Sweeper2000]

These people are sick in the head.

I'd genuinely be surprised if they understood the gravity of it tbh Mary but its strange to say the least.

 

[Baileyboo]

Oh yes, I certainly get that and it's definitely the driving force behind things, but the standard of reporting I think significantly contributes to it.

The point I've always made - which is significant - is the one where they almost always say something along the lines of ....doctors/the hospital/investigators centred on Letby after noticing an unexplained spike in deaths... or similar. That is completely and utterly wrong in every respect. That is absolutely not what happened, yet we hear it repeated over and over and over again like some religious dogma which must be accepted as literal truth.

It may sound like a minor point in the great scheme of things but it is far from minor as it sets up the reader's mindset incorrectly from the off. It gets people into thinking that they saw some figures, misinterpreted them and charged off on a path fuelled by tunnel-vision, ending up locking up poor innocent "nice" Lucy who lived her life almost as a Saint.

The news media literally must be reading this site - it's a huge, internationally well known, true crime site which gets millions of views and has somewhere like a million plus posts. It's mentioned numerous times in YouTube documentaries. The mainstream news outlets MUST have read the multiple posts by me alone on this particular subject yet they continue to promulgate that particular falsehood. It's lazy, dishonest journalism which does a grave disservice to everyone involved, especially the people who read the oft repeated rubbish from a position of coming to the case afresh.

I'm genuinely thinking of adding that fact to my signature as I'm getting sick and tired of having to repeat myself!

News outlets PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS POINT!

Edit: while I'm on a bit of a rant, I'll address the other oft repeated falsehood - that of the shift rota chart being a statistic. It wasn't. It was never presented as such. As a matter of simple fact, applying the definition of "statistic", it is not one. As far as I recall it was mentioned twice in a ten month trial. It was a simple statement of corresponding facts which the jury were entitled to attach as much weight (or none) to as they saw fit. Nothing more.

I am also sick of the misreporting round Dewi Evans " changing his mind" over baby C. Dr Hammond appears to have written multiple private eye articles based solely on this. Dr Evans said on the stand that he didn't know if it was an air injection to the stomach or air embolism. It was also explained to the jury that Letby wasn't on duty when air was seen on the X Ray but air in the stomach was found on the post mortem.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I'd genuinely be surprised if they understood the gravity of it tbh Mary but its strange to say the least.

Honestly, it's absolutely frightening that so many people seem to be so utterly convinced of her innocence that they are indulging in such extreme and irrational behavior as this.

 

[Jules2021]

I am also sick of the misreporting round Dewi Evans " changing his mind" over baby C. Dr Hammond appears to have written multiple private eye articles based solely on this. Dr Evans said on the stand that he didn't know if it was an air injection to the stomach or air embolism. It was also explained to the jury that Letby wasn't on duty when air was seen on the X Ray but air in the stomach was found on the post mortem.

A lot of people seem to have ran with the idea that she wasn't anywhere near when Baby C collapsed and died. Yet baby C is the one that collapsed 6 mins after she was texting about needing to be in room 1 and being found in there when he collapsed suddenly after a colleague had left. I don't know what happened the previous time for air to be on the x-ray but the circumstantial evidence for her attacking baby C leading to his death is surely overwhelming.

 

[marynnu]

A lot of people seem to have ran with the idea that she wasn't anywhere near when Baby C collapsed and died. Yet baby C is the one that collapsed 6 mins after she was texting about needing to be in room 1 and being found in there when he collapsed suddenly after a colleague had left. I don't know what happened the previous time for air to be on the x-ray but the circumstantial evidence for her attacking baby C leading to his death is surely overwhelming.

Collapses happening after colleagues or parents left was a recurrent theme if I remember rightly.

 

[Ruthbullock]

What does this mean?
I just want to check. Do you seriously think there was sewage coming from the ceiling? I mean, come on. Infection control & the staff weren't bothered & no parent noticed. Really?

They started fundraising in 2013 to build a new more appropriate and safe building- they wouldn’t have even considered spending money on this if it was even semi suitable for purpose

Council blocks Countess of Chester Hospital baby unit plans - BBC News

The Countess of Chester Hospital's plans for a new neonatal unit are refused planning permission.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ruthbullock]

The defendant has not signed off on her trial Discovery being shared with others. WHY would that be? Wouldn't one think she'd want to share it if it is so egregiously thin evidence?

What if it's not? WHAT IF these other 'international experts' would be surprised by how strong that evidence really is?

What evidence is so compelling that you believe it is being with held by the prosecution (and ultimately Letby )?

 

[Ruthbullock]

He wasn't inside the investigation into the events at the Countess of Chester, his opinion is not based on having seen strategic decision logs, he made some sweeping idiotic (in my view) statements about the trial which shows he paid no attention to the evidence and has listened to unfounded conspiracy nonsense theories, and he cites no basis or evidence for his criticisms of the police and/or the CPS.

Therefore, I think what he has to say is irrelevant, and bearing in mind the panel's findings in regards to his own sub-par hospital deaths investigation, it's looking very much like he's got an axe to grind, as with so many of these people who are coming out of the woodwork to pile on in support of Letby's application to the CCRC.

IMO

It started off as they were all paid, then they were just stupid/naive so spoke out. Now they have an axe to grind - which is it? You are not actually considering their points that may well be valid and open to discussion, rather you are coming up with nonsensical arguments as to why they should be disregarded and not allowed for discussion.