I hope that Sarah's Mum has been given all these horrific details beforehand and is receiving all the love and support including professional support. This is all beyond my comprehension, god knows how she is even managing to breathe, she must be in a living hell.Sending much strength to Sara's mum. That's all I can say. This leaves me speechless.
I still believe that Grandad acted to protect and keep the children all together. If he'd called the authorities whilst Dad, Stepmum and Brother were in the home, the children would have been taken as well. I think he acted in the best interests of the children, keeping them away from their murdering cruel parents and providing a safe loving place for the children.I guess it is so called "family solidarity" not to "grass".
That is reality in some societies - like it or not.
But...
I'm more than sure it was family pressure on the culprits to finally surrender to authorities.
Because,
why did they give up?
If they had family approval,
these criminals would never do it, never surrender IMO.
Family had enough of them and problems they brought.
JMO
Because of the wording of the brother's message to his friend of 8.38 that evening, I'm beginning to think that Sara did not die suddenly as the result of an immediate bout of torture, but had been dying for some time/hours/days, maybe comatose or unconscious? then finally 'passed away'.
I think they already had prepared the children and themselves for Sara to die, they realised that they would need to leave the country quickly, they were partly prepared but afraid to act so as not to raise any suspicions and for fear of someone finding her alive.
I agree with this. It is so reminiscent of Logan Mwangi, the same level of horror.
adding a link to the thread for anyone who is not familiar with that case
Body of five-year-old child found in south Wales river
A body of a 5 year old child has been found in a river yesterday. Today We have 3 arrests.
#UPDATE | We can confirm that following reports of concerns for a missing five year old boy in #Sarn #Bridgend and the subsequent finding of the body in the Ogmore River near Pandy Park, three people have been arrested.
A 39-year-old man, 30-year-old woman and 13-year-old boy, all from the Bridgend area, have been arrested on suspicion of murder. We are not looking for anyone else in relation to this incident.
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Maybe he gave the Horsell house as his address to Macdonalds/ His bank / other organisations His possessions could have been in one of the rooms. Neighbours and other people known to the family could have told police he lived there.I wonder how they found out that the uncle had been living there too.
If the 'noise' was heard anytime day or night, and the father sheepishly apologized for the 'noise' it sounds like the father and uncle must also have bourn witness to the abuse at the very least sometimes when they were not working and in the house.Neighbour heard sounds of ‘smacking’ followed by ‘gut-wrenching screams’, court told
The court heard that a former neighbour, Chloe Redwin, who used to live above Urfan Sharif and Beinash Batool
at a previous address in 2020,
would hear sounds of “smacking” from their home.
“They were shockingly loud and would be followed by ‘gut-wrenching screams’ of young female children,”
prosecutor William Emlyn Jones KC told the jury.
“Over the screaming she would hear the mother shout, ‘shut up’
and sometimes the sounds of further smacking would be heard followed by shouting.”
The same neighbour said she would often hear children screaming,
followed by their mother shouting
“shut the f.... up” and “go to your room you f.... b....d”,
the court heard.
"Ms Redwin would also frequently hear the mother refer to the children as ‘c....’,”
the prosecutor said.
Ms Redwin said she heard shouting and screaming at
“any time of the day or night”,
but that she noticed it did not occur
when the “father of the household” was at home,
he continued.
She said she “often” said hello to Sara’s father, Urfan Sharif, and that she thought he was
“conscious of the noise his family made, because on occasions he would apologise for it”.
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Sara Sharif’s head ‘covered with homemade hood’ in weeks before death – trial latest
Fingerprints allegedly belonging to 10-year-old’s father Urfan Sharif found on one of bags, second day of trial hearswww.independent.co.uk
Interesting, and I imagine that Urfan Sharif's barrister is going to be pushing this line quite strongly. That said, given the level of Sara's injuries, how could he not have known what was going on.Ms Redwin said she heard shouting and screaming at
“any time of the day or night”,
but that she noticed it did not occur
when the “father of the household” was at home,
he continued.
Neighbour heard sounds of ‘smacking’ followed by ‘gut-wrenching screams’, court told
The court heard that a former neighbour, Chloe Redwin, who used to live above Urfan Sharif and Beinash Batool
at a previous address in 2020,
would hear sounds of “smacking” from their home.
“They were shockingly loud and would be followed by ‘gut-wrenching screams’ of young female children,”
prosecutor William Emlyn Jones KC told the jury.
“Over the screaming she would hear the mother shout, ‘shut up’
and sometimes the sounds of further smacking would be heard followed by shouting.”
The same neighbour said she would often hear children screaming,
followed by their mother shouting
“shut the f.... up” and “go to your room you f.... b....d”,
the court heard.
"Ms Redwin would also frequently hear the mother refer to the children as ‘c....’,”
the prosecutor said.
Ms Redwin said she heard shouting and screaming at
“any time of the day or night”,
but that she noticed it did not occur
when the “father of the household” was at home,
he continued.
She said she “often” said hello to Sara’s father, Urfan Sharif, and that she thought he was
“conscious of the noise his family made, because on occasions he would apologise for it”.
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Sara Sharif’s head ‘covered with homemade hood’ in weeks before death – trial latest
Fingerprints allegedly belonging to 10-year-old’s father Urfan Sharif found on one of bags, second day of trial hearswww.independent.co.uk
From what I remember of the reporting at the time, Pakistani police started arresting family members. By their reputation, they were probably not asking nicely.I guess it is so called "family solidarity" not to "grass".
That is reality in some societies - like it or not.
But...
I'm more than sure it was family pressure on the culprits to finally surrender to authorities.
Because,
why did they give up?
If they had family approval,
these criminals would never do it, never surrender IMO.
Family had enough of them and problems they brought.
JMO
I wonder if the former neighbour ever reported these sounds to social services or to Sara's school.Snipped from Dotta's post above
The court heard that a former neighbour, Chloe Redwin, who used to live above Urfan Sharif and Beinash Batool at a previous address in 2020,would hear sounds of “smacking” from their home.
“They were shockingly loud and would be followed by ‘gut-wrenching screams’ of young female children,”
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In 2020, Sara would have been age 7 and her three female half siblings were just toddlers.
You would bloody hope so wouldn't you.I wonder if the former neighbour ever reported these sounds to social services or to Sara's school.
I also wonder if Sara's bruises were reported as a safeguarding concern and social services were involved.
I wonder if all the children were being smacked ,including Sara's brother, or was it just the girls or perhaps only Sara.