UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

[JennieM]

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[Nikynoo]

As someone from the UK, I have never been an advocate for the death sentence, it's in these cases my conviction waivers and I hate myself for it, I know it's not right the answer (to me), but to me there is no ambiguity no doubt they are all culpable and guilty. I know they will suffer from right of freedom. I would really like to see a whole life tariff for all three. None of this will be justice for sweet little Sara or for those that loved her. I'm still unable to process this especially as the details of her torture and inhumane treatment is published.

I agree. I hope the judge finds a way to issue a whole life tariff. This is just barbaric.

 

[su5ie]

I'm finding it very difficult to comprehend the barbarity and cruelty inflicted on Sara and the prolonged torture she suffered. Imo the three perpetrators are sadistic and actually derived some form of pleasure from hurting Sara as it seems the violence was inflicted with a degree of restraint by that I mean enough to cause immense suffering and damage but controlled enough not to kill her earlier . I reckon Sara succumbed to her injuries either as stated through sepsis or brain damage .
I don't know how she survived as long as she did or the beatings escalated in severity over time .
It is so so upsetting to read no one contacted SS and I agree fully with Dotta 3 numbers could save a life . Better to be safe than sorry I would rather have got it wrong than live with the guilt of knowing I could have saved a child .
There is only one other case that comes to my mind when hearing the horrific details of this case and the longevity of the torture and its baby P . Both children must have been in immense pain and had 3 adults as evil as each other .
I'm a very passive and non violent person but by God I hope they are locked up for life and given a taste of their own medicine. Sugar and boiling water come to mind from head to toe .

It's heart breaking

 

[Yellowbelly]

I'm finding it very difficult to comprehend the barbarity and cruelty inflicted on Sara and the prolonged torture she suffered. Imo the three perpetrators are sadistic and actually derived some form of pleasure from hurting Sara as it seems the violence was inflicted with a degree of restraint by that I mean enough to cause immense suffering and damage but controlled enough not to kill her earlier . I reckon Sara succumbed to her injuries either as stated through sepsis or brain damage .
I don't know how she survived as long as she did or the beatings escalated in severity over time .
It is so so upsetting to read no one contacted SS and I agree fully with Dotta 3 numbers could save a life . Better to be safe than sorry I would rather have got it wrong than live with the guilt of knowing I could have saved a child .
There is only one other case that comes to my mind when hearing the horrific details of this case and the longevity of the torture and its baby P . Both children must have been in immense pain and had 3 adults as evil as each other .
I'm a very passive and non violent person but by God I hope they are locked up for life and given a taste of their own medicine. Sugar and boiling water come to mind from head to toe .

It's heart breaking

I think I can understand now why the two men are being held at Belmarsh. The high security regime is probably to protect them from the rest of the prison population now that the full horror has been revealed. Child abusers are not popular inside.

 

[Teeniesmum]

I'm also not an advocate for the death sentence for reasons I won't get into, it's not the subject of this thread.

But of course there is the emotional side in us - and mine is screaming: Get out the thumbscrews for that sadistic trio (once they're sentenced) and then throw away the key!
imho however legal systems cannot be based on emotional reaction, no matter how appropriate it seems in a specific case. I make that distinction and don't feel guilty or need to hate myself over it.

Even if 'life sentence' doesn't mean 'forever', there is still legal means to keep somebody in prison forever in the UK and I hope all three are in there forever. No way can that evil be 'cured'.

MOO JMO

Thank you for your rational post, I agree the legal system can't be based on emotions.

 

[Dotta]

I checked Defence Lawyers.

"Dan Taylor
has been instructed to defend Faisal Malik,
who has been charged alongside Beinash Batool and Urfan Sharif, with the murder of 10 year old girl, Sara Sharif.

Dan Taylor
is experienced in defending high-profile cases of murder, attempted Murder & Manslaughter
including those featuring young and/or vulnerable witnesses and defendants.

Dan is instructed by Gias Uddin and Aashar Malik of Woolfe and Solicitors."

Dan Taylor instructed for the defence in high-profile murder case of 10 year old Sara Sharif | Red Lion Chambers

Dan Taylor has been instructed to defend Faisal Malik, who has been charged alongside Beinash Batool and Urfan Sharif, with the murder of 10 year old girl, Sara Sharif. Sara Sharif’s father, Urfan Sharif, her stepmother, Beinash Batool and her uncle, Faisal Malik flew to Pakistan with five...

redlionchambers.co.uk

No info about step"mother" and "father"

 

[porkypies]

The staged and much-publicised photo of Sara in the green dress and makeup continues to trouble me.
It must be fairly recent at 10 years old?
And it seems now that many of her worst injuries must have been inflicted after she was removed from school/during the school holidays, she would have been incapacitated by them.

I wonder if the accused were thinking of her ££value as child-bride, and considering the potential profit from an arranged marriage? 10 years old would not be unheard of in that case. I think the photo would fit the bill in that case too. With their mother told not to contact them and that Sara and her brother did not want to speak to her, the way was clear to get Sara out of the country easily.

Given all the torture and abuse that she was subjected to, I have been surprised that sexual violence has not been included in any of the injuries, and now wonder if potential marriage could be the reason.

A previous poster asked what did Sara do/refuse to do that caused such anger and hatred and violence.
It might be that she was now threatening to tell? and refusing to co-operate? with whatever their arrangements were, and the result was a massive escalation of abuse and torture.
They did not want her, either alive or dead.

 

[Dotta]

From my post nr 12:

"Shortly before her death her brain was deprived of oxygen causing a separate ischemic brain injury which was described as a potential 'terminal event' by Dr Cary."

I think this report is crucial.

A neighbour heard piercing scream of pain lasting a few seconds.
(2 days before Sara's death)

And then...
"ghastly silence".

I think Sara was strangled.
(fractured hyoid bone)
Lost consciousness and never regained it.
Lack of oxygen caused brain damage.
Was in agony for 2 days and as brother wrote in a message
"passed away".

Of course,
there could also be sepsis.
Untreated burns are lethal.

Her body was battered
and stopped fighting.

RIP Princess

JMO

 

[Janemt]

Oh. I can't bare to read how that poor child suffered.
Imo. The only reason they fled to Pakistan was to prevent the kids from being taken into care.

Absolutely heartbreaking. It’s beyond me how anyone could do this, especially to a child.

 

[seasideForest]

A previous poster asked what did Sara do/refuse to do that caused such anger and hatred and violence.
It might be that she was now threatening to tell? and refusing to co-operate? with whatever their arrangements were, and the result was a massive escalation of abuse and torture.
They did not want her, either alive or dead.

RSBMFF
BBM

Those who love violence and torture don't need a reason imho. I can't believe a 10yo could do anything to cause such anger and violence.

MOO JMO

 

[CaptainNancy]

I burnt the side of my finger tonight, getting a hot dish out of the oven. A fleeting brush of the dish, quickly removed and under the tap. A tiny quick burn, it was SO painful, and I stood with my hand under the tap thinking of that poor child.

I can sort of understand a parent seeing red mist and lashing out when at the end of their tether, but sustained deliberate torture?

I feel for the court staff who have to sit with them and escort them about.

 

[seasideForest]

I can sort of understand a parent seeing red mist and lashing out when at the end of their tether, but sustained deliberate torture?

Exactly.

Possibly in some societies a physically more hurtful and damaging form of corporal punishment is allowed to be dealt out to children than under English law, but that's not what happened to Sara either. Not that I'm suggesting the laws of any other society/country ought to be applicable, but it's not as if somebody once forgot where they were and what they were doing and lashed out too hard once.

Sustained deliberate torture is a good way of putting it.
No excuse.
MOO

 

[Tortoise]

The staged and much-publicised photo of Sara in the green dress and makeup continues to trouble me.
It must be fairly recent at 10 years old?
And it seems now that many of her worst injuries must have been inflicted after she was removed from school/during the school holidays, she would have been incapacitated by them.

I wonder if the accused were thinking of her ££value as child-bride, and considering the potential profit from an arranged marriage? 10 years old would not be unheard of in that case. I think the photo would fit the bill in that case too. With their mother told not to contact them and that Sara and her brother did not want to speak to her, the way was clear to get Sara out of the country easily.

Given all the torture and abuse that she was subjected to, I have been surprised that sexual violence has not been included in any of the injuries, and now wonder if potential marriage could be the reason.

A previous poster asked what did Sara do/refuse to do that caused such anger and hatred and violence.
It might be that she was now threatening to tell? and refusing to co-operate? with whatever their arrangements were, and the result was a massive escalation of abuse and torture.
They did not want her, either alive or dead.

Sometimes I look at that picture and think the foundation is too much for a little girl with a naturally radiant complexion. I do wonder if it was applied to cover up some bruising, a pampering and photo-shoot session as a bribe to stop her telling or something. I don't know if I'm seeing things but I do think I can see a few darker reddish patches near her temples, bruising under her eye shadow on her left eye, and discolouration on her neck next to her hair.


Pathologist tells jury what caused Sara Sharif’s death – trial latest

 

[OceanElix]

Oh. I can't bare to read how that poor child suffered.
Imo. The only reason they fled to Pakistan was to prevent the kids from being taken into care.

I think they fled to stop the children from speaking and telling all about what had been taking place. That being their only concern imo

I don't believe they had worries about social services taking the other children into care, I doubt that even crossed their minds.

 

[sunshineray]

I agree. I hope the judge finds a way to issue a whole life tariff. This is just barbaric.

Is there really a legal doubt that there might not be a way to issue a whole life tariff in a case like this? I'm not from the UK.

 

[Sooty]

It is perhaps not too much of an assumption to make that if the adults in the household had persistently treated Sara with complete disregard for her welfare; had persistently and violently abused her, over such a extended period of time, using deliberate restraint, with the apparent intention to cause her as much physical harm and humiliation as possible, and all under the guise of ‘discipline’ for perceived ‘naughtiness’ - that every member of that household, including the children, would have been conditioned and encouraged to treat her the same way.
MOO

 

[xx_matilda_xx]

(VERY long time lurker, first time poster so apologies if I've missed anything...!)

New information (I've not seen before) in this Sky News article.
As others have said - utterly evil and barbaric. Sickening to think what this poor young girl went through, apparently for such a prolonged period of time.

How they can plead not guilty is beyond me, especially with his verbal and written confessions and the Stepmother's messages to her sister(s). She should have reported him years ago and saved that poor girls' life.
Disgusting.
The only one I can see who has any potential to be innocent is the uncle (I've not seen or heard any evidence of his direct involvement?) but there's a VERY slim chance he knew nothing about it IMO.
JMO.

"Prosecutor William Emlyn Jones KC said jurors may get a better sense of how the wounds were inflicted as he outlined the potential weapons found by police in a search of the home.

A length of black rope with strands of Sara's hair stuck on it, a rolling pin and a plastic-coated metal pole or baton, were all found in a small brick outhouse, while a cricket bat stained with blood matching Sara's DNA was leaning outside.

In bins to the side of the house, officers found a filthy nappy with a match to Sara's DNA, and "strange looking objects" made of bits of plastic bag wrapped up with parcel tape, some stained with blood or clumps of hairs.

Mr Emlyn Jones described them as "homemade hoods", adding: "They had been placed over Sara's head, we suggest and then taped in place."

Batool's Amazon shopping history showed she had bought 18 rolls of parcel tape in July alone, the jury was told."

 

[VioletLilac]

I burnt the side of my finger tonight, getting a hot dish out of the oven. A fleeting brush of the dish, quickly removed and under the tap. A tiny quick burn, it was SO painful, and I stood with my hand under the tap thinking of that poor child.

I can sort of understand a parent seeing red mist and lashing out when at the end of their tether, but sustained deliberate torture?

I feel for the court staff who have to sit with them and escort them about.

I thought that too. Imagine having to stand next to those monsters and hear what they did.

 

[Alyce]

I think they fled to stop the children from speaking and telling all about what had been taking place. That being their only concern imo

I don't believe they had worries about social services taking the other children into care, I doubt that even crossed their minds.

They cared only for themselves and avoiding prison.

I think the other children were of little importance, but they couldnt leave witnesses behind.

 

[irnbru]

What are the potential outcomes for the accused? Can they be found guilty of causing or allowing the death of a child if murder isn't sufficiently proven? I apologise if this has been asked and answered before- like many others I have found this case just too awful to follow closely up to now.