UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

[Mind your biscuits]

I think they fled to stop the children from speaking and telling all about what had been taking place. That being their only concern imo

I don't believe they had worries about social services taking the other children into care, I doubt that even crossed their minds.

You have a good point there, maybe it was a combination of hiding the witnesses and having the kids raised by family in Pakistan that led them to flee. Moo.

I think they fled to stop the children from speaking and telling all about what had been taking place. That being their only concern imo

I don't believe they had worries about social services taking the other children into care, I doubt that even crossed their minds.

You have a good point there. Maybe it was a combination of the two, not wanting to have the kids as witnesses and having them raised in Pakistan by family.Moo.

 

[Dotta]

Cell site data shows defendants going to work and hairdressers​

Cell site data shows in the weeks before Sara’s death,
the defendants continued life as usual,
with both Urfan Sharif and Faisal Malik attending work.

Meanwhile Beinash Batool had spent time organising a child’s birthday party
and visited the hairdresser.

[Business as usual, heh? ]

Earlier this morning,
jurors heard that she been strangled until a bone in her neck broke up to three months before she died.

Other injuries analysed included two fractures in the girl’s fingers
which had occurred between 12 and 18 days before her death,
based on his analysis of the stage of healing the injuries were at.

Sara Sharif suffered multiple fractures across 25 locations on her body, court told

A radiologist told jurors that he had ‘never seen’ a hyoid bone fracture in a child before

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Alyce]

You have a good point there, maybe it was a combination of hiding the witnesses and having the kids raised by family in Pakistan that led them to flee. Moo.

You have a good point there. Maybe it was a combination of the two, not wanting to have the kids as witnesses and having them raised in Pakistan by family.Moo.

Plus, they couldnt really leave such very young children and a baby behind - I think neighbours might ( finally ) have called police if they had heard constant, non stop crying from the house - and police might have managed to intercept the 3 accused before they got to safety ( as they thought ) in Pakistan.

 

[CaptainNancy]

I would be interested to know more about Urfan and Faisal's work patterns -because if they are very different, and Faisal is at home / not working at times that Urfan was out it will be harder for him to maintain that he had no knowledge - because he would have been home when Beinash was home. And if they both had different shifts then the times when Beinash was home alone with the children are reduced. So harder for them both to blame her.

I think the prosecution will be quite extended because presumably having established the horrendous nature of Sara's injuries they now need to focus on the case against each of the 3 individuals and how they are involved.

 

[CaptainNancy]

In the call trying to book tickets, does Beinash say 4 adults and 4 children? 4 adults?

 

[Alyce]

In the call trying to book tickets, does Beinash say 4 adults and 4 children? 4 adults?

Yes - the eldest boy has been classed as an adult due to his age.

 

[Moonstrawbs]

jurors heard that she been strangled until a bone in her neck broke up to three months before she died.

Sara Sharif suffered multiple fractures across 25 locations on her body, court told

A radiologist told jurors that he had ‘never seen’ a hyoid bone fracture in a child before

www.independent.co.uk

I'm rarely at a loss for words given the many atrocities we read about on here, but wow... I'm beyond disgusted! JMO.

 

[JennieM]

Trial adjourns for the day​

The trial of Urfan Sharif, Beinash Batool and Faisal Malik has been adjourned for the day, and will resume on Friday.

Sara Sharif suffered multiple fractures across 25 locations on her body, court told

A radiologist told jurors that he had ‘never seen’ a hyoid bone fracture in a child before

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

I'm rarely at a loss for words given the many atrocities we read about on here, but wow... I'm beyond disgusted! JMO.

And, mind you,
this horrid woman had the nerve to whinge in the infamous video
that Sara's death was an unfortunate accident.

And complain that Pakistani authorities were persecuting them.
Ha!

Husband was silent.
He didn't have courage to speak.

But he lied to his father that the girl "fell down the stairs".

Or maybe he told the truth?
There is a stairway in the house.
Who knows how many times Sara was pushed down it?

JMO

 

[Caroclaud]

They conveniently removed the ring doorbell to prevent any footage being viewed of their comings and goings, so they had the presence of mind to know they would be investigated by the police.
So why on earth did this not cross their mind in the preceding months, and how did the threat of prison not prevent them from escalating the violence?

I wonder what their reaction has been in court listening to the horrific details being revealed about the abuse that Sara suffered. I’d love to know if there was any remorse, any tears, or whether they are just devoid of emotion

 

[vls12345]

There are just no words for these horrors.

I rarely advocate for an eye for an eye style punishment, but if each of these adults had to endure the same tortures they meted out to Sara over time, it would still feel like too little. Imo.

 

[seasideForest]

It is perhaps not too much of an assumption to make that if the adults in the household had persistently treated Sara with complete disregard for her welfare; had persistently and violently abused her, over such a extended period of time, using deliberate restraint, with the apparent intention to cause her as much physical harm and humiliation as possible, and all under the guise of ‘discipline’ for perceived ‘naughtiness’ - that every member of that household, including the children, would have been conditioned and encouraged to treat her the same way.
MOO

Absolutely. I can't give you a source off-hand so just MOO to this, but it's quite common for abusive parents to drive a wedge in among their children so that the children don't stand together and support each other, but rather turn against each other and/or particularly scapegoat one child, in this case Sara. That's all the other children knew - brutality to Sara, in that home. The older ones would've seen Sara being treated better at school but abusive families are good at setting up a 'us - good, them - bad' mentality which even makes victims somehow believe their abusive family is OK and people external to the family (like teachers and most especially people from a different culture) are bad, untrustworthy. JMO

Sometimes children are encouraged or even forced to be physically abusive to a sibling. I wouldn't put anything past this sadistic trio.
MOO

 

[seasideForest]

I think that outhouse was where most of the punishment was carried out. Looking at @Dotta 's pic below, there is a structure at the side of the house. I think this is the outhouse referred to.

Is 'outhouse' referring to the Wendy house? Or is it an enclosed garden shed?
I know there's reference to some of the instruments of abuse e.g. a plastic-covered pole, being found in the 'outhouse'.

I can't imagine the Wendy house being used for the abuse, tho anything is possible. If the Wendy house were used, anybody passing the house/garden and anybody in the vicinity with open windows would have heard some of the beatings and all of the screams of pain. Idk how good the sound-proofing is in the actual house / block of flats, but there is next to zero sound-proofing in a Wendy house. It's a plastic playhouse with no door. Also difficult for an adult to stand up in.

I think it's more likely the abuse took place in the house/flat. MOO

 

[Dotta]

"Her injuries included significant damage internally,
including
bleeding on her brain,
multiple bruises on her lungs
and multiple skeletal injuries,
jurors were told."

Sara Sharif, 10, 'was strangled until bone in neck broke', court hears

Sara's father Urfan Sharif, 42, is on trial at the Old Bailey accused of her murder, along with the girl's stepmother Beinash Batool, 30, and uncle Faisal Malik, 29.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Megnut]

Is 'outhouse' referring to the Wendy house? Or is it an enclosed garden shed?
I know there's reference to some of the instruments of abuse e.g. a plastic-covered pole, being found in the 'outhouse'.

I can't imagine the Wendy house being used for the abuse, tho anything is possible. If the Wendy house were used, anybody passing the house/garden and anybody in the vicinity with open windows would have heard some of the beatings and all of the screams of pain. Idk how good the sound-proofing is in the actual house / block of flats, but there is next to zero sound-proofing in a Wendy house. It's a plastic playhouse with no door. Also difficult for an adult to stand up in.

I think it's more likely the abuse took place in the house/flat. MOO

I think the abuse happened within the house itself but there appears to be a bricked structure along the fence, parallel to the house. I suspect outhouse doesn't mean what it means in the US but rather a house outside the house. A storage room perhaps. More than a shed but not a garage either.

JMO

 

[Nikynoo]

I think the abuse happened within the house itself but there appears to be a bricked structure along the fence, parallel to the house. I suspect outhouse doesn't mean what it means in the US but rather a house outside the house. A storage room perhaps. More than a shed but not a garage either.

JMO

In older houses, it used to house the lavatory and/or coal. Quite the torture chamber. Thinking the outhouse because it doesn't abut to another property. Usually they're single skinned though, so noise may travel, but IMO, not as much as in a semi-detached house. I would be interested in what those neighbours had to say.

 

[Nikynoo]

Is 'outhouse' referring to the Wendy house? Or is it an enclosed garden shed?
I know there's reference to some of the instruments of abuse e.g. a plastic-covered pole, being found in the 'outhouse'.

I can't imagine the Wendy house being used for the abuse, tho anything is possible. If the Wendy house were used, anybody passing the house/garden and anybody in the vicinity with open windows would have heard some of the beatings and all of the screams of pain. Idk how good the sound-proofing is in the actual house / block of flats, but there is next to zero sound-proofing in a Wendy house. It's a plastic playhouse with no door. Also difficult for an adult to stand up in.

I think it's more likely the abuse took place in the house/flat. MOO

I've circled the 'outhouse' in blue

 

[Megnut]

Outer house, to conceptualize it better.

If any of the walls on thst property could talk, they'd weep.

JMO

 

[seasideForest]

I think the abuse happened within the house itself but there appears to be a bricked structure along the fence, parallel to the house. I suspect outhouse doesn't mean what it means in the US but rather a house outside the house. A storage room perhaps. More than a shed but not a garage either.

JMO

Thank you. Somehow I missed the bricked structure and focussed in on the Wendy house. But now I see it, at the side of the house next to neighbour's fence.

'Outhouse' in the UK doesn't mean what it does in N.Am., I'm clear on that.

@Nikynoo Yes, I suppose the abuse could have happened in that outbuilding. My concerns about how much would be potentially heard won't apply any more than in the house itself. Possibly even less.

 

[Nikynoo]

Thank you. Somehow I missed the bricked structure and focussed in on the Wendy house. But now I see it, at the side of the house next to neighbour's fence.

'Outhouse' in the UK doesn't mean what it does in N.Am., I'm clear on that.

@Nikynoo Yes, I suppose the abuse could have happened in that outbuilding. My concerns about how much would be potentially heard won't apply any more than in the house itself. Possibly even less.

i think in this case, timing was everything and taken full advantage of, especially if neighbours either side worked during the day.