UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

[Dotta]

From last year:



In a video shared with Sky News, Mr Sharif and Ms Batool are sitting side-by-side as she reads a prepared statement from a notebook.

She denies media reports that Mr Sharif's brother Imran said Sara fell down the stairs and claims the family has "gone into hiding".

"Firstly, I would like to talk about Sara. Sara's death was an incident. Our family in Pakistan are severely affected by all that is going on,"
Ms Batool said.

She spoke about the worry she has for the family's safety and claimed they have been misrepresented in the press.

"All the media have been giving wrong statements and making up lies."

She also said the family are running out of food and are unable to venture outside."

Honestly,
I stopped finding any sense in all of this.
Blah blah blah....

Sara Sharif's mother says she is haunted by daughter's 'bruised' body

Police want to question Sara Sharif's father, his partner Beinash Batool and brother Faisal Shahzad Malik who are believed to have fled to Pakistan the day before her body was found.

news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Smithpanes]

We do not know what Sara's early years were like , but I imagine they were not all smiles and hugs . She was put in foster care aged 2 for a reason.

Absolutely, she had it tough her whole life by the sounds of it. She obviously was not all smiles with her Mum as a judge gave her to U and she was in Foster Care. She was let down by absolutely everyone in her life. It’s beyond heartbreaking.

 

[PKFS]

We do not know what Sara's early years were like , but I imagine they were not all smiles and hugs . She was put in foster care aged 2 for a reason.

Yes, Sara was indeed placed briefly in foster care, but this happened when she was around one or two years old due to an intense custody conflict between her parents. This was not due to Sara being proved to be abused by Olga.

In 2014, following a contentious separation between Urfan and Olga, Sara was placed into foster care temporarily. In early 2015 (2015 – Batool moved in to live with Sharif) and then Sara was placed with Urfan under certain conditions.

I wonder if Urfan moved Batool in to gain custody (JMO)

For Batool, as a woman to live with a man before marriage, this is not in line with a woman who is a practicing Muslim.

They married in 2017.

Please note - I am not judging - but am mentioning it as relevant to the case.

(IMOO)

 

[Dotta]

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Re supervision

After the divorce
U's visits were also supervised.
How's that?

"Olga makes allegations against Sharif about domestic abuse and child abuse.

Sara is placed back into Olga’s care.

– 2015 to 2017 – Sharif is permitted supervised contact with Sara."

Sara Sharif at the centre of acrimonious custody battles

The girl’s father, stepmother and uncle are accused of her murder.

www.shropshirestar.com

 

[PKFS]

In early 2015 – Sara was indeed placed with Sharif, but later that year, Sara was removed from Sharif and placed back in Olga's care.

From 2015 to 2017 – Sharif had permitted supervised contact with Sara.

During this period when Sara was placed with Olga, I believe, there was no reference to any violence towards Sara.

Also, please note - both Sara and her brother stayed with their mother before ultimately moving to live with their father, Urfan Sharif, and his partner in Surrey around 2019.

I dont think this would have been allowed if there was any concerns that Olga hurting her children.

JMO

 

[Nikynoo]

Timeline from this article - Sara Sharif at the centre of acrimonious custody battles

2013 – The couple’s daughter, Sara, is born.
2014 – Olga and Sharif have an acrimonious break-up.
2014 – Sara goes into foster care. Sharif meets Batool in the autumn of that year.
January 2015 – Sara is returned to Sharif’s care, subject to Olga leaving the house.
May 2015 – Batool moves in to live with Sharif, in Woking.
Olga makes allegations against Sharif about domestic abuse and child abuse.
Sara is placed back into Olga’s care.
2015 to 2017 – Sharif is permitted supervised contact with Sara.
2017 – Sharif and Olga’s divorce is finalised.
2019 – Sara makes allegations of abuse against Olga.
2019 – The family court awards Sharif custody of Sara.

BTW I have no doubt that U instigated the above to ensure that he had control of the children (they were his possessions afterall). The only fly in the ointment for me is the SS and CAFCAS report in respect of the custody battle. Whilst I have little faith in either agency, popular opinion is that a child is removed for a reason and that reasoning is sound.

 

[Nikynoo]

DBM double post

 

[su5ie]

This is only alluding to the story Batool gave to Sharif. He has already said he believed her and was then protecting his son by fleeing to Pakistan.

Who else has accused Sara's brother, other than Batool?

The reason I worded my post as" alluding to " is because urfan doesn't out right accuse a child he states bienash told him a child did this to Sara so he states he (urfan) fled to Pakistan so the child would not go to prison which I concluded from that statement that urfan Believed his son did it which is an underhanded way of accusing his son imo

 

[Dotta]

The only fly in the ointment for me is the SS and CAFCAS report in respect of the custody battle. Whilst I have little faith in either agency, popular opinion is that a child is removed for a reason and that reasoning is sound.

So,
Why didn't this CAFCAS
intervene when Sara was being methodically murdered in "father's" household?

Seen with bruises at school.
Removed from school.

That is the question I ask myself

That is the real
"fly in the ointment" for me.
(Quoting OP)

JMO

 

[PKFS]

A review process is ongoing regarding the involvement of various agencies in Sara's case.

A multi-agency review is underway, which includes social services, police, health, and education authorities. This review will shed light on circumstances leading to Sara's death and determine whether any improvements can be made to prevent similar tragedies in the future. The review will examine the actions and involvement of all agencies that interacted with Sara's family.

 

[porkypies]

......For Batool, as a woman to live with a man before marriage, this is not in line with a woman who is a practicing Muslim.

They married in 2017.

Please note - I am not judging - but am mentioning it as relevant to the case.

(IMOO)

 

[porkypies]

I don't think that there is any suggestion that any of these 3 adults or their children are or were muslims, and they don't appear to have mentioned any religion themselves, apart from claiming that Sara wanted to wear a headscarf and 'find out' about what was referred to as 'her' religion.

 

[su5ie]

A review process is ongoing regarding the involvement of various agencies in Sara's case.

A multi-agency review is underway, which includes social services, police, health, and education authorities. This review will shed light on circumstances leading to Sara's death and determine whether any improvements can be made to prevent similar tragedies in the future. The review will examine the actions and involvement of all agencies that interacted with Sara's family.

Not aimed at your post just using your post as reference.

Anyone else sick of these reviews how many lessons need to be learned by these agencies. How many more children under their "watchful eye " need to be killed before they have a lightbulb moment. How many mistakes need to be made before they are corrected . The powers that be spout these words almost like they were troubleshooting a piece of machinery. How many more children will be sacrificed in there bid to prefect their system .

 

[Skigh]

Sara Sharif begged for water as she lay dying, court hears

Urfan Sharif, 42, claims he returned home to find the 10-year-old Sara Sharif 'limp' in stepmother Beinash Batool's arms.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He said on entering he asked where Sara was as he couldn't find her and a child at the house pointed to a bedroom upstairs.

'I went in the room and I saw Sara on Beinash's lap next to the cot in the corner,' Sharif said.

 

[su5ie]

Sara Sharif begged for water as she lay dying, court hears

Urfan Sharif, 42, claims he returned home to find the 10-year-old Sara Sharif 'limp' in stepmother Beinash Batool's arms.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He said on entering he asked where Sara was as he couldn't find her and a child at the house pointed to a bedroom upstairs.

'I went in the room and I saw Sara on Beinash's lap next to the cot in the corner,' Sharif said.

I wonder what truths are being told within the lies . Urfan states bienash told him a child kicked and stomped on Sara in the kitchen and the story of Sara falling down the stairs has been said since Pakistan. I suspect these ' incidents ' may have contributed to some injuries Sara had . But by who and when is anyone's guess .

When people lie they will add some truth as its easier to recall facts and then the liar will add their own embellishments . lies are normally told to advert blame or responsibility. So I would imagine the same is true in murder cases . Which is why the stories change but the finer details remain the same . This is why a suspect is interviewed multiple times to see what changes . Would jurors be allowed read between the lines to come to a guilty verdict

 

[Dotta]

I wonder what truths are being told within the lies . Urfan states bienash told him a child kicked and stomped on Sara in the kitchen and the story of Sara falling down the stairs has been said since Pakistan. I suspect these ' incidents ' may have contributed to some injuries Sara had . But by who and when is anyone's guess .

When people lie they will add some truth as its easy to recall and the surrounding lies added to the details are normally to advert blame or responsibility. So I would imagine the same is true in murder cases . Which is why the stories change but the finer details remain the same . This is why a suspect is interviewed multiple times to see what changes .

I think
Sara was comatose for 2 days with brain injury after "piercing scream" the neighbour heard.

Was it the result of falling down the stairs?
Who knows?

The day when U was summoned,
was the day the girl died.
That is why B called, terrified, not knowing what to do.

I doubt
Sara was near the kitchen or near "another child" during these 2 last days of her life.
She was slowly dying in her bed IMO.
Her abused/tortured body was giving up.

That is why brother wrote
"Sara passed away".

Granted,
English is not my mother tongue,
but even I see the difference between
"passing away"
(as if in sleep)
and "died suddenly in an incident/accident".

But it is only MO, as always

 

[irnbru]

I wonder what truths are being told within the lies . Urfan states bienash told him a child kicked and stomped on Sara in the kitchen and the story of Sara falling down the stairs has been said since Pakistan. I suspect these ' incidents ' may have contributed to some injuries Sara had . But by who and when is anyone's guess .

When people lie they will add some truth as its easier to recall facts and then the liar will add their own embellishments . lies are normally told to advert blame or responsibility. So I would imagine the same is true in murder cases . Which is why the stories change but the finer details remain the same . This is why a suspect is interviewed multiple times to see what changes . Would jurors be allowed read between the lines to come to a guilty verdict

I wonder too. Some of the things the defendants say have a ring of partial truth.
For example: " The defendant claimed the initial plan was for Batool to go to her relatives in Luton so he could call police and say Sara died in his care.
Batool made 30 calls to members of her family but they did not help because they were “scared”, he said."

There was a post that resonated with me back in this thread, when U was asked a series of "did you do X to Sara" questions and answered no to all the questions but one to which he answered never. A poster pointed out that sounded very much like 'no' meant 'yes' and 'never' meant 'no'. I wonder whether they jury have similar thoughts.

 

[su5ie]

I think
Sara was comatose for 2 days with brain injury after "piercing scream" the neighbour heard.

Was it the result of falling down the stairs?
Who knows?

The day when U was summoned,
was the day the girl died.
That is why B called, terrified, not knowing what to do.

I doubt Sara was near the kitchen or near "another child" during these 2 last days of her life.
She was slowly dying in her bed IMO.
Her abused/tortured body was giving up.

That is why brother wrote
"Sara passed away".

Granted,
English is not my mother tongue,
but even I see the difference between
"passing away"
(as if in sleep)
and "died suddenly in an incident/accident".

But it is only MO, as always

Yes I think the same . Imo Sara didn't die immediately she was in as you state a comatose state . And if she was brought to the emergency department she would have been intubated and placed on life support .
The version being told at the moment by urfan would not have been possible given the evidence presented to the court by various medical experts .
Which makes Sara's last days more tragic as she was not even afforded a medically assisted death whereby morphine and breathing aids could have gave her a more comfortable ,humane way of passing.

 

[su5ie]

I wonder too. Some of the things the defendants say have a ring of partial truth.
For example: " The defendant claimed the initial plan was for Batool to go to her relatives in Luton so he could call police and say Sara died in his care.
Batool made 30 calls to members of her family but they did not help because they were “scared”, he said."

There was a post that resonated with me back in this thread, when U was asked a series of "did you do X to Sara" questions and answered no to all the questions but one to which he answered never. A poster pointed out that sounded very much like 'no' meant 'yes' and 'never' meant 'no'. I wonder whether they jury have similar thoughts.

Yes I thought too that the 'never" was more forceful and it was more of a true answer then the 'no" box ticking exercise

 

[Dotta]

Yes I thought too that the 'never" was more forceful and it was more of a true answer then the 'no" box ticking exercise

And what was the question with "never" answer?
(The hoods?/an iron?)

I'm slowly getting lost in all links.