GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

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I don't think urfan is trying to exonerate anyone . He is not capable of putting others before himself imo .

I'm calling it now he is trying to get a mis- trial the good news is if he gets his way the uk doesn't use a double jeopardy clause for serious offences and he can be retried with a new jury . Bad news is sometimes the defendant can be freed while awaiting a new trial but this can be rejected by a judge .

He is trying to throw the court into confusion which he is almost succeeding at . And this can prejudice a juries opinion .
One of the bases of a mistrial is when a defendant cannot get a fair trial because the jury has been prejudiced and if jurors are a selection of our peers . We at webslueths are also a jury of sorts with various opinions and judgements and urfan succeeded in confusing us today . And has prejudiced any future evidence we may be given to absolve him of stuff he admitted today . Clever c u next Tuesday.

He is a master manipulator and he is trying to control the room even by seeming to agree and confess only to swiftly pull the rug from under our feet . He is trying to gaslight a lot of people like he has always done . It is an Art form to him and because I have no doubt he has a superiority complex . He thinks he is too cunning for justice .


There is absolutely nothing that I can see that has happened so far which could possibly lead to a mistrial. Is the article you posted American as there is an American flag in the picture?
 
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I don’t see what it is at the moment that would be the basis of a mis trial in an English court.
 
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So Sharifs Father knew about the abuse of Sara!!!...and the children are still In Pakistan..surely the children should come back to the UK?! I just think the children will need a lot of support and I'm sure they are traumatised, what must be going through their little minds.
 
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So Sharifs Father knew about the abuse of Sara!!!...and the children are still In Pakistan..surely the children should come back to the UK?! I just think the children will need a lot of support and I'm sure they are traumatised, what must be going through their little minds.
Come back to the UK? To the care of the Social Services?
 
  • #206
There is absolutely nothing that I can see that has happened so far which could possibly lead to a mistrial. Is the article you posted American as there is an American flag in the picture?
Possibly the first article is American you are right but second link is UK ..... edited to add I'm not sure if both articles are talking about American Courts

my view still stands , I think urfan is" trying" to somehow manipulate the court room and create a prejudiced situation to get a mistrial as how can previous admission today be disregarded by the jury in light of him going back to his not guilty plea .My key word here is 'Trying" not succeeding.

I do fear the way he is acting in court could be a game plan and I was trying to think what he would be trying to achieve by flipping between admittance and denial and only thing I could think was mistrial
 
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  • #207
I doubt the defendant U
is a candidate to rehabilitate.

IMO
this individual
who seems to be a pathological liar
lacking the capacity for finer/higher level feelings/emotions
will always be a menace to Society.

Maybe prison life will cure his addictions
but I doubt
it will teach him empathy, compassion and simple human solidarity.

He seems to be forever broken.
Hopeless case.

JMO
 
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  • #208
All B's barrister can do is portray B as a frightened and abused co victim, try to avoid a murder conviction, mitigate the sentence for causing or allowing the death (which I cannot see, I just cannot see, how any defendant could avoid. Even if they couldn't be sure all three were guilty of murder I do not understand how any could be not guilty of causing or allowing Sara's death).

Something has shifted so significantly. Yesterday he held to innocent father who had tried to help her and today he admits he beat her, battered her, beat her as she lay dying, refused B's pleas to call an ambulance. What happened to provoke this? Is he finally just cracking under pressure?

No way. He is a manipulative man and cracking under pressure is not his modus operandi. He will be talking and crying etc and then will end up having a seizure or faint and will try to pretend brain damaged, but this is my feeling. Some plan since there is damning evidence against him. Just my feeling.
 
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You can't just plead insanity in the middle of a trial as a way out, though. He's already tried the line that he was manipulated by his wife and that's been comprehensively disproved, hasn't it?

You can feign a heart attack, a stroke, something medical. I think it is going that route.
 
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I think about Sara's mum and siblings. I'm not sure how much the other children will be hearing but her mum... It is horrible to be a stranger to them all and read and hear about this and to learn about your daughter suffering and dying like this is unimaginable agony. It's a further insult to Sara that we have this farce of lies and an insult to those who did actually love her and should at least have the dignity of truth now. And I don't trust that anyone other than those on trial will ever know the complete truth.

So much of yesterday has genuinely shocked me; the admittance of guilt and retraction and then the later details of terrible acts admitted to. What more is there to come?
 
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This one needs a very special sentence IMO, outside the normal range.
 
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It guts me how many fatal abuse cases involve children who have vomited or soiled themselves. At the time they MOST need reassurance and support from their carer - a hug, soft words and a warm cloth - they are violently killed instead. This just one of examples that came to mind:


When my husband and I attended an NCT course ahead of the birth of our first child, one session dealt with rage. We were told that every parent WILL - not might - be triggered (by constant crying or inconvenient messes). The key was to leave the room, breathe and allow executive function to return. There's also the issue of assuming a child is "acting up" when they're actually genuinely suffering. It's not always that easy.

I know dysfunction runs deep with broken people like Urfan and Batool. Good impulse control and emotional regulation is not an option for them. I just sorely wish they'd slowed down their reaction time, called for help, chosen those key heated moments to scream into a pillow, punch the wall or even have an online gamble!

I wonder if the neighbours who heard deadly screams will ever forgive themselves.

This case is just unimaginable.
Poor darling girl
JMO
 
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Not for long, you can't.
Not for long. For enough to send him for evaluation and try to explain by something found during tests.
 
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Urfan Sharif admits lying during cross-examination​

Returning to the witness stand, Sharif responded “I was wrong” when asked why he had not told the truth during his earlier evidence by Malik’s lawyer Michael Ivers KC.
When asked “Wrong in what sense? Tell us some of the things that were wrong?”, he responded: “Everything was wrong.”
However, he insisted that his tearful response to questioning had been “real” and that his “pain” over his daughter’s death was genuine.
In a heated interaction, Mr Ivers KC said: “Your actions weren’t you mourning the loss of your daughter, it’s you seeking to persuade these 12 people of a pack of lies, isn’t it?
He responded: “I did lie. You can’t imagine my pain, I’m a bad dad, I’ve a very bad dad but I’m still a father.”
 
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Father admits trying to ‘blame’ his wife for daughter’s death​

Under questioning, Sharif admitted that he had lied in order to “blame” Beinash Batool for Sara’s death, and had accused her of tying up and beating his daughter.
Given the nature of Sara’s injuries, Sharif admitted he had never broken a bone and had not experienced its pain.
“I don’t want to upset people but she must have screamed and cried and heavens know what and you did those,” Mr Ivers KC said. “Yes sir,” he responded.
“And for a whole week you tried to blame someone else for what you did?”. He replied: “Yes sir.”
“It’s not just you lied, you lied and then tried to implicate someone else,” Mr Ivers said, to which he again confirmed: “Yes sir.”
 
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Sharif insists repeated accusations of domestic abuse were a ‘coincidence'​

Urfan Sharif has repeatedly denied being the “common denominator” after being accused by multiple former partners of domestic violence.
Three of his previous girlfriends, who were all Polish, had accused him of controlling behaviour, which included locking them inside and taking their passports.
He insisted that it was a “coincidence” and denied choosing his partners due to their vulnerability and his ability to control them.
Jurors also heard that Sharif had been raised in Pakistan and that his parents had not instilled a disciplinarian regime towards their children. He admitted that his ideas of discipline, which he used against Sara, had “come from him”.
“Did you have an idea about how children should be punished? Is that the truth about all of this?”, Mr Ivers KC asked.
“There’s certain things I can’t explain, I have no words,” Sharif said.
 
  • #220
"Heated interaction"
with uncle's Defence.
How interesting! :oops:
 
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