GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[su5ie]

Part of the rites for the dead is to wash the body before wrapping it in a shroud, so maybe it was either an attempt to get rid of evidence or a way to restore some dignity to Sara and maybe atonement?

“A Muslim community believes three things occur as they wash, shroud and bury the dead: The body returns to the earth, from which it was made; the soul faces judgment; and the living are reminded that their time on Earth is limited, their opportunity to do good may end at any moment”.
source: Islam's ritual of washing the body bestows respect on the dead
And:

Ghusl

Ghusl Procedure Burial Procedure Kaffan

www.mfs.asn.au

I'm inclined to think the "washing " as it's referred to in the article or the as I prefer to describe it ,the last despicable act committed on Sara's already battered body was not a ritual of any sort <modsnip>
Did you every feel the power of a jet wash ? If you ask me it was a well thought of plan to get rid of evidence such as caked in excrement and possibly blood before they brought her into their pristine house . And I'm starting to wonder had the rigor mortise process begun and it was easier for THEM to just "Wash " Sara in the garden and I will say how the hell do you jet wash a dead body in the backyard without the risk of being seen was it done during the night or very early morning .

 

[Kittypoo]

I'm inclined to think the "washing " as it's referred to in the article or the as I prefer to describe it ,the last despicable act committed on Sara's already battered body was not a ritual of any sort <modsnip>
Did you every feel the power of a jet wash ? If you ask me it was a well thought of plan to get rid of evidence such as caked in excrement and possibly blood before they brought her into their pristine house . And I'm starting to wonder had the rigor mortise process begun and it was easier for THEM to just "Wash " Sara in the garden and I will say how the hell do you jet wash a dead body in the backyard without the risk of being seen was it done during the night or very early morning .

I wonder if this jet wash sound at an odd time of day will jog the neighbours memory

 

[FlamingLily]

<modsnip - circumventing the profanity filters> is using it to make it appear he deems them as superior when really he thinks them as fools and that he can out wit them . I'm so angry !!!

I'm angry thinking about that little girl doing the unpaid work of an adult, washing her abusers clothes, babysitting their noisy offspring. Being repaid not with pocket money, treat days or kind words. But with escalating pain, foul insults and terrifying isolation. It's a Cinderella story from hells anus.

 

[seasideForest]

You and Sara have made my life*.

This case is getting worse and worse

When U. was first quoted saying that B. and Sara made his life h*ll, I thought how on earth can you seriously blame a ten year old for making your life not as easy as you'd like?? SMH
Not to mention he made Sara's life utter hell and then deprived her of the rest of it.

U. is insufferable. The jury is going to see through his whole facade. I've never been so sure of a case I've followed here. MOO

 

[seasideForest]

The court heard Sara suffered a number of spine fractures from the beatings, similar to those sustained when a child falls 20ft from a roof.

Mr Emlyn Jones pressed: “You did that to Sara by hitting her with the force as if she had fallen from a second storey roof again and again and again. Last time to do the decent thing:
When you beat Sara so hard with a cricket bat that you broke her spine did you intend to cause her at least a serious injury.”


Sharif replied: “No.”

‘Inhuman’ violence inflicted on Sara Sharif ‘normalised’ by defendants

More disturbing details about Sara's injuries have emerged in court

www.getsurrey.co.uk

Sharif's "No" above to intending to cause Sara injury could make one think he's insane of course, but I'm sure he's not!! Lies, lies and more lies.

"Sharif insisted that everything was kept separate from Malik because he would have told their father." final sentence from the link posted. OMG! We're meant to believe that!?! Or it is hoped the court/jury will!?!
When is this guy going to come out with the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

 

[AcerPacer]

Yes definitely a play on words so to speak, a sentence which can have two meanings . One" I'm responsible for her death I killed her ". Second meaning "I'm responsible as I didn't ensure her safety and allowed her to be killed " or as I suspect urfan is saying "I'm responsible as I should have noticed what was going on ".

I think I'm so sickened by urfan as he is saying he is guilty without admittance of actual guilt and he is toying with everyone just like he did with Sara he hasn't any remorse.
He is actually insane and I don't know if that's his game to claim insanity im sure psychologists are having a field day with his mental gymnastics.
Most defendants in cases like this will deny I expected that but this manipulation is taking it to another level of depravity.

The jury will see through him no doubt about it . He is getting locked up and the key thrown away . But will it be a psychiatric unit or a normal prison that remains to be seen .

Interesting that his brothers defence team is geared up to put the blame squarely at urfans feet too . I knew bienash and himself would go head to head and point the finger of blame at each other but I'm surprised malik didn't stay on the same page as urfan and blame bienash too .

I suppose all 3 defendants would have access to the book of evidence and by speaking with their barristers would decide the best route to take .

Genuine Q.. isn't US speaking via an interpreter? So could it be that the interpreter is translating literally what is said as opposed to what is meant?

 

[Moll]

Genuine Q.. isn't US speaking via an interpreter? So could it be that the interpreter is translating literally what is said as opposed to what is meant?

I don't believe so, although an interpreter is supplied in case of need I seem to recall. None of the reports suggest that he is not speaking English. Someone else may have a more authoritative answer.

 

[seasideForest]

Far worse this goes way beyond the horrors of physical violence . This is a Fred and Rose West scenario a total and utter horror house . The cases that never leave public consciousness . The cases from which books are written and documentaries made . One we will all never forget and one where a 10 year old girl was subjected to the most severe and extreme abuses a depraved mind can think up .

I sincerely hope that this time lessons are learned!! By social services, by neighbours, by teachers, by society in general. Not that I want to say one particular person other than the Evil Trio is at fault but more that - how could this utter horror go mostly unnoticed?? And when occasionally reported not really acted on?? Too many people 'minding their own business'?

I'm sure many people in the UK and further afield not to mention on WS won't forget this case but please may there be an actual affect on public consciousness.
MOO

Not raging against you su5ie, it just occurred to me when I read your post.

 

[seasideForest]

I don't believe so, although an interpreter is supplied in case of need I seem to recall. None of the reports suggest that he is not speaking English. Someone else may have a more authoritative answer.

I don't know either but a good interpreter isn't going to cause the problems @AcerPacer is thinking of. I'm assuming there are proper qualified interpreters working in English courts. There is the NRPSI: NRPSI -National Register of Public Service Interpreters Idk if you have to be a member of that or similar to interpret at a court. Anybody know? But I'm pretty sure you have to be a member of some professional body and that you can't just show up and have a go because you happen to be bilingual.

But also: please don't blame the invisible 'workers'! Things have changed a lot in the world of professional interpreters and translators in the last few decades MOO and IME tho I'm not in the UK. It's a highly-qualified profession! An interpreter translating 'literally' may occasionally happen tho that would be a pretty basic mistake to make.

In this case, JMO, the wording is all on U. and his attempts to manipulate, deflect etc etc.

 

[seasideForest]

Part of the rites for the dead is to wash the body before wrapping it in a shroud, so maybe it was either an attempt to get rid of evidence or a way to restore some dignity to Sara and maybe atonement?

“A Muslim community believes three things occur as they wash, shroud and bury the dead: The body returns to the earth, from which it was made; the soul faces judgment; and the living are reminded that their time on Earth is limited, their opportunity to do good may end at any moment”.
source: Islam's ritual of washing the body bestows respect on the dead
And:

Ghusl

Ghusl Procedure Burial Procedure Kaffan

www.mfs.asn.au

I really doubt in this case that there was any thought of Sara's well-being before or after death, as wishing to restore her dignity would be. It's a nice thought but I think you might be attributing a kindness or even humane feeling to one of that evil bunch that simply does not exist. MOO

As for atonement, a string of swears comes out of my mouth. We'll have to leave that to Allah whether he wants to forgive these people. Being a deity, he no doubt can/will but for me the thought of these evil, evil people seeking atonement? No way. Trying to save their skin, more like. I like the way the prosecutor doesn't mince his words and called U. out as a coward.

MOO

 

[pukasonqo2]

I really doubt in this case that there was any thought of Sara's well-being before or after death, as wishing to restore her dignity would be. It's a nice thought but I think you might be attributing a kindness or even humane feeling to one of that evil bunch that simply does not exist. MOO

As for atonement, a string of swears comes out of my mouth. We'll have to leave that to Allah whether he wants to forgive these people. Being a deity, he no doubt can/will but for me the thought of these evil, evil people seeking atonement? No way. Trying to save their skin, more like. I like the way the prosecutor doesn't mince his words and called U. out as a coward.

MOO

I do agree with you and wish I could believe hell exists because if it does then these two are on their way

 

[seasideForest]

@pukasonqo2
I don't actually know if hell exists either, but if it does in some form then I certainly wish it on these evil people. And whether or not it does exist, I hope their own souls or what passes as souls create hell for them in this life. Maybe for someone like U. it's hell on earth to no longer have the possibility of beating a small defenceless child to death or the possibility of carrying out physical violence in general on people weaker than himself? Impossible for anybody half-normal to consider that a punishment but U. is not even half-normal IMO. In fact diabolical. Belongs in hell, whatever one understands hell to be.

 

[dunkley]

This house appears to he a standard 1930's 3 bedroom semi-detached.
Three adults and six children. Having once lived in a house identical to this, I can say it is two double bedrooms, and a single. Sara did not have a room of her own. Her siblings would have heard her moans of pain, her tears, seen her bruises, and smelt her nappies. There is NO privacy in a house this size.
Those poor, poor children will carry those memories forever.

 

[Tortoise]

To think that Beinash had the audacity to say

"my main concern is that the Pakistani police will torture or kill us. That is why we have gone into hiding."

Sara Sharif: Dad and stepmum release video in first public comments since her death

She didn't hide Sara.

 

[Alyce]

Genuine Q.. isn't US speaking via an interpreter? So could it be that the interpreter is translating literally what is said as opposed to what is meant?

That has not been confirmed. We only know that an interpreter is required to attend court.
This person could have been provided for U, for BB, for FM or for all three of them. Her / his services could be intermittent, only needed to explain / translate a particularly difficult question.
IE: difficult for a non native English speaker.

U has lived in the UK for over 20 years. His ability to speak a foreign language ( English ) will surely be sufficient to provide general testimony.

 

[Tortoise]

That has not been confirmed. We only know that an interpreter is required to attend court.
This person could have been provided for U, for BB, for FM or for all three of them. Her / his services could be intermittent, only needed to explain / translate a particularly difficult question.
IE: difficult for a non native English speaker.

U has lived in the UK for over 20 years. His ability to speak a foreign language ( English ) will surely be sufficient to provide general testimony.

I was particularly interested to hear Urfan giving the 999 call handler names for the letters of his vehicle registration plate. A Alpha, R Romeo etc (from memory).

 

[Sooty]

To think that Beinash had the audacity to say

"my main concern is that the Pakistani police will torture or kill us. That is why we have gone into hiding."

Sara Sharif: Dad and stepmum release video in first public comments since her death

She didn't hide Sara.

I have just been reading about (recent historic) claims of torture being carried out by the security forces (police, army, intelligence etc) and in political cases in Pakistan - as documented by Amnesty, Human Rights Watch and other agencies on the web, including the torture and kidnapping of children.

Without going off off topic on here, it is worth having a Google yourself if you are interested in reading more about the (recently historic) prevalence of these horrifically, cruel repressions and violations of Human Rights.

 

[Tortoise]

I have just been reading about (recent historic) claims of torture being carried out by the security forces (police, army, intelligence etc) and in political cases in Pakistan - as documented by Amnesty, Human Rights Watch and other agencies on the web, including the torture and kidnapping of children.

Without going off off topic on here, it is worth having a Google yourself if you are interested in reading more about the (recently historic) prevalence of these horrifically, cruel repressions and violations of Human Rights.

They bought tickets to go there.

Nevertheless, my point was that she hid herself, showing that she had the mental capacity to hide Sara to protect her from torture. IMO

 

[Sooty]

They bought tickets to go there.

US and M grew up there too …. Torture is perhaps a more common means of control ( recently historically at least ) than in UK - I am thinking about their nonchalance and normalisation of it within their household, referring to the horror as discipline and punishment. Particularly if US had been exposed to reports via his family connections in the Pakistan army. MOO.

ETA - Not in any way looking to excuse, just to understand.

A question - Is it strange thing for a taxi driver to do (was it two?) CPR/ First aid courses ?

 

[Tortoise]

US and M grew up there too …. Torture is perhaps a more common means of control ( recently historically at least ) than in UK - I am thinking about their nonchalance and normalisation of it within their household, referring to the horror as discipline and punishment. Particularly if US had been exposed to reports via his family connections in the Pakistan army. MOO.

ETA - Not in any way looking to excuse, just to understand.

I don't know, I think I would need to see some kind of evidence that U was actually tortured as a child to take that on board. Reports of its existence doesn't do it for me. MOO