UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[WestLondoner]

suzy backed out of a property deal with him prior to this and she had mentioned to her father she was under pressure to seal the deal .

It wasn't a property deal, it was a spa / gym; money had spent but SJL had lost interest when it became clear that she'd be doing the spa treatments for beautician money. We don't know that this deal was the one she was being pressured over.

He lived in Kent but had a property under construction in London not far from fulham and was also involved in the construction industry. He also ran nightclubs which probably brought him into contact with shady types

All later, I think. The property in London was in Mayfair / Belgravia, but a maisonette - it wasn't the whole house.

I really think the person responsible was someone who suzy had a business or personal history with .

Clearly. Cannan is the only person whose pretences around other crimes involved posing as a businessman, and he was in the area at least, so one tends to give this to him on that basis. But if ever anyone had a secretive and compartmentalised private life in which someone else entirely could have been hiding, it's SJL.

 

[lee sumner]

I thought I read somewhere that they hadn't in fact seen each other for a while, and the supposed lunch meeting was the first time in several months that sjl and the female in question had planned to meet?

maybe PS, husband was the mystery man SL was having an affair with.

 

[lee sumner]

I thought I read somewhere that they hadn't in fact seen each other for a while, and the supposed lunch meeting was the first time in several months that sjl and the female in question had planned to meet?

yes, that is what is says in AS book. it makes wonder if there was a falling out between them. business/personal.i would love to know.

 

[Konstantin]

I noticed that you're quoting others' posts but not adding anything - do you mean to do that or am I missing something? Not a criticism, just curious!

 

[Scorpiette]

There is one suspect I and a few others have spoken about in previous threads TS . The reason I suspect this person is he went bankrupt 8 days later ,suzy backed out of a property deal with him prior to this and she had mentioned to her father she was under pressure to seal the deal .

He lived in Kent but had a property under construction in London not far from fulham and was also involved in the construction industry. He also ran nightclubs which probably brought him into contact with shady types

His wife at the time PS turned up at DLs house in tears and said she was to blame as she was meant to meet suzy for lunch the day she disappeared and when she divorced TS . She said he was a very violent man . She has never used her very public platform to discuss or appeal for suzy and was part of the putney set who closed ranks and refused to help the investigation.

There was rumour at the time that both put a court order in place inhibiting the media from speaking to them about suzy .

His wife at the time PS turned up at DLs house in tears and said she was to blame as she was meant to meet suzy for lunch the day she disappeared and when she divorced TS . She said he was a very violent man . She has never used her very public platform to discuss or appeal for suzy and was part of the putney set who closed ranks and refused to help the investigation.Make up your own mind who you think may have done it but TS has a lot to be considered as a suspect imo more than John Cannan .

I really think the person responsible was someone who suzy had a business or personal history with .

'His wife at the time PS turned up at DLs house in tears and said she was to blame as she was meant to meet suzy for lunch the day she disappeared and when she divorced TS . She said he was a very violent man . She has never used her very public platform to discuss or appeal for suzy and was part of the putney set who closed ranks and refused to help the investigation.'

I find this interesting. If PS was meant to meet SL for lunch that day SL disappeared, then would PS's husband know that too? Who cancelled the lunch date? PS I assume, as she was in tears and said to DL she was to blame, implying PS cancelled the lunch meeting? Did TS meet her instead?

I'm just pondering really. Thoughts, anyone?

 

[Kasparthecat1]

Couldn't get a nanny, if memory serves.

'His wife at the time PS turned up at DLs house in tears and said she was to blame as she was meant to meet suzy for lunch the day she disappeared and when she divorced TS . She said he was a very violent man . She has never used her very public platform to discuss or appeal for suzy and was part of the putney set who closed ranks and refused to help the investigation.'

I find this interesting. If PS was meant to meet SL for lunch that day SL disappeared, then would PS's husband know that too? Who cancelled the lunch date? PS I assume, as she was in tears and said to DL she was to blame, implying PS cancelled the lunch meeting? Did TS meet her instead?

 

[Kasparthecat1]

PS is an interesting character, isn't she? Her career seems to have taken off and she's pretty well-known now (if you're into that kinda thing). I wonder how far advanced her career was when sjl went missing? Probably in its infancy? She seems to be something of a self-publicist, yet does not appear to have capitalised on sjl's high-profile disappearance at all. I can't remember reading anything much about her at all, yet she was pretty quick to make a dramatic-sounding appearance in her Rolls at the do in the Lamplughs' garden.

I'm wondering whether she may have deliberately stepped back from association with sjl deliberately as a strategic move. Her husband went bankrupt soon afterwards - she may have felt tainted by that - and maybe she did not feel, as the case progressed - that she wanted to be associated with anything sleazy that may have transpired from it. And the press in those days was absolutely brutal. Perhaps she thought it was better to lie low and say as little as possible. Speculation of course!

I'm assuming that both she and her husband were both questioned and eliminated at a fairly early stage.

I don't think a deal going pear-shaped can be ruled out, though. Sjl"s flat was on the market and failing to sell. She must've been planning something?

 

[Konstantin]

Couldn't get a nanny, if memory serves.

She said it was the nanny's day off that day.

I can't remember reading anything much about her at all, yet she was pretty quick to make a dramatic-sounding appearance in her Rolls at the do in the Lamplughs' garden.

This is AS's description. Unless AS directly witnessed that happening, i.e. he was invited to the do at the Lamplughs', then I assume he must have got it from her and embellished on it. But I would assume the former, and he was there, since AS was a respected journalist and making stuff up that you didn't witness or that you got from someone else without quoting them, is a huge no no.

If PSS was invited to the Lamplughs' then this might just be how she arrived in her car. Perhaps a combination of her being a Californian and very outgoing made AS see her in this way and she was not trying to be dramatic.

 

[su5ie]

While I appreciate the information given in AS book as I see it as an insight into the early days of the investigation and a snapshot into suzys life (nothing of value of suzys life at the time has been shared after AS book in the media )

I feel its an account that doesn't address the psychological and emotional maturity of a 25 year old woman . While girls are often more mature at that age than their male counterparts .It's only as we mature we look back and see how childish emotionally we were especially when it comes to boyfriend/ girlfriend relationships. And our view of life and its seriousness is different at 25 than at 50 yrs old . So I don't find it that weird that suzy dated or bedded different men and had arguments with a boyfriend and possibly made up a day or two later .

What I do find strange is her dating men whom were friends of AL or whom mixed within the same circle as each other . I find it sad when looking at it from an angle of a 25 year old that maybe it wasn't that she was using them or playing the field so to speak but prehaps she was being passed around .

The reason I bring this up is its portrayed that suzy was no one's fool and would have seen through Cannons charade but on reflection maybe not . I know she would have been used to being around wealthy people and may have been able to spot a con man but what are the signs that would raise a suspicion in a short period of time .obviously over time the ruse be up . But if someone dressed the part and spoke in a upper class accent and prehaps was able to sustain a fine dining experience over a short period of time . Would suzy know the difference?


Cannan being the perpetrator to me has a very low probability. How would suzy have contacted him ?and would she not have wanted to see/ be brought to his place ?. Also why not just do away with suzy like he did with Shirley and quite possibly Sandra on his first encounter with them . Judging by his M.O of sloppiness in former sexually motivated crimes, it would then seem he had committed the perfect crime in the abduction and subsequent disposal of suzy's body . I feel if he did it her body would have been found . Did he get extremely lucky . I doubt it . I feel LE continuously barking up this tree has kept the crime from being solved imo

In regards to TS property in London. This address was used in court filings for bankruptcy, so imo he owned it at the time of suzys disappearance not purchased afterward . If my memory serves me correctly this town house was being renovated at the time . And when I typed in Stevenage Road and this court address on Google maps I could see the route was basically a straight run of 30 mins drive from Fulham Road .

I just wanted to add I think I could hypothesise till the cows come home and without having access to police files and with the passing of time . I can't possibly be able to include or eliminate a suspect to any meaningful degree . I can only speculate as to what I think led to her disappearance and imo the perpetrator was someone that suzy felt couldn't wait till after work to meet , if she wasn't taken by an opportunistic killer while supposedly giving a viewing at 37 Shorrolds .It was definitely someone she had history with moo

 

[Kasparthecat1]

"The reason I bring this up is its portrayed that suzy was no one's fool and would have seen through Cannons charade but on reflection maybe not . I know she would have been used to being around wealthy people and may have been able to spot a con man but what are the signs that would raise a suspicion in a short period of time .obviously over time the ruse be up . But if someone dressed the part and spoke in a upper class accent and prehaps was able to sustain a fine dining experience over a short period of time . Would suzy know the difference?"

I think this is an interesting point you're making. I think there is a school of thought that Sjl couldn't possibly have been taken in by Cannan. I'm sjl's age and I remember the case vaguely from all those years ago. One thing that stood out in the reporting was the depiction of Cannan in the press as suave, well-spoken, well-dressed and a successful businessman. In some quarters there was surprise that such a person could have committed such heinous crimes.

I feel it's easy with the benefit of hindsight to look back and see Cannan for what he was. But I bet many people were taken in at the time. One of his girlfriends was a solicitor whom he apparently met while in jail. He must've been pretty plausible.

Would she have been taken in by Cannan? I reckon so, yes.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

"She" meaning SJL.

 

[Scorpiette]

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Has this man ever been identified publicly. It is the last known photo of suzy at the party on the Saturday

I immediately thought of JC when I saw this photo. Did anyone else? Not much to go on but the thick dark eyebrows, intense eyes...

 

[su5ie]

I immediately thought of JC when I saw this photo. Did anyone else? Not much to go on but the thick dark eyebrows, intense eyes...

Yes I did wonder

 

[WestLondoner]

The CPS has indicated that the police have failed to show SJL ever met JC. If he had been invited to the same 21st birthday party as her on Saturday 26th, I think we can be confident the police would have found this detail out and built a case that she was murdered by an invited guest she was photographed with.

 

[Konstantin]

The CPS has indicated that the police have failed to show SJL ever met JC. If he had been invited to the same 21st birthday party as her on Saturday 26th, I think we can be confident the police would have found this detail out and built a case that she was murdered by an invited guest she was photographed with.

I believe that particular gentleman on whose lap SJL was perched is well-known and is most definitely not Mr. Cannan.

 

[su5ie]

I believe that particular gentleman on whose lap SJL was perched is well-known and is most definitely not Mr. Cannan.

Do you know who he is if he is well known . I have not seen anything about him in any of the books or documentaries. Intitials will do in public chat

 

[su5ie]

The CPS has indicated that the police have failed to show SJL ever met JC. If he had been invited to the same 21st birthday party as her on Saturday 26th, I think we can be confident the police would have found this detail out and built a case that she was murdered by an invited guest she was photographed with.

Was it not said that not everyone at the 21st was traced in AS book .

I could be wrong .I blame brain fog

 

[Terryb808]

Was it not said that not everyone at the 21st was traced in AS book .

I could be wrong .I blame brain fog

I think we have to face what facts we have, i honestly think there’s no way Suzy would have taken JC to this very exclusive 21st birthday party.
While he’s an accomplished liar and good with bulls**t, he’d have been quickly found out.
Plus his general likeness (like many others) to Mr Kipper would have been immediately latched onto by the police.
Within AS’s book and the various researchers who post on this public thread is the outline of what happened that Monday.
While the CPS rejected the police’s case against JC, I believe in his guilt.
I’ve personally spent a lot of time try to find an alternative, but grudgingly I have to accept he is the most likely culprit.
Generally, I can’t believe just how much luck this inept criminal had in getting away with killing Suzy.
Sadly even evil criminals have luck on their side.

 

[WestLondoner]

While the CPS rejected the police’s case against JC, I believe in his guilt.
I’ve personally spent a lot of time try to find an alternative, but grudgingly I have to accept he is the most likely culprit.

Agreed.

SJL was taken by someone she knew who's never been identified. The reason to think it's JC is that he was around at the time, lied about it, and did this sort of thing. Anyone else is a ghost; a conjectural killer we know nothing about, except that he's almost certainly in her diaries somewhere, because as a personal contact, he must have been contactable.

JC should have been in the police's files from 1986/7 all along. If they identified recently-released sex offenders from the three prisons nearby, that would have added 50 to 100 plausibles. If they had traced the subscriber behind every phone number contact she had in her current and old diaries, JC or someone adjacent to him - JT for example - would surely have emerged. If they had chased down every dark LHD BMW that had had a new log book issued in the last 6 months to a year, which wouldn't be all that many, they'd likely have found the car SJL was seen laughing or screaming in. And so on. The alternative killer who's not JC in effect exists in these gaps in the original investigation. It's possible this alternative exists, but it's not proven. JC fits, and does at least exist.

 

[su5ie]

I think we have to face what facts we have, i honestly think there’s no way Suzy would have taken JC to this very exclusive 21st birthday party.
While he’s an accomplished liar and good with bulls**t, he’d have been quickly found out.
Plus his general likeness (like many others) to Mr Kipper would have been immediately latched onto by the police.
Within AS’s book and the various researchers who post on this public thread is the outline of what happened that Monday.
While the CPS rejected the police’s case against JC, I believe in his guilt.
I’ve personally spent a lot of time try to find an alternative, but grudgingly I have to accept he is the most likely culprit.
Generally, I can’t believe just how much luck this inept criminal had in getting away with killing Suzy.
Sadly even evil criminals have luck on their side.

Hi Terry , like yourself and many others here I've spent a lot of time trying to glean clues from the details in the public domain. We probably know suzy's story better than we know about our own friends .

There is only one reason that makes me reluctant to fully assert Cannan is her killer and its his MO . He did nothing really to conceal Shirley body and if he did also murder sandra ,her body was not really hidden well either .
But I will concede that my train of thought lately is prehaps Cannan got sloppy over time or was disturbed while trying to conceal Shirley and there is a higher body count that could be attributed to him . He also liked to have a one-upmanship on LE ,a catch me if you can attitude.

The biggest f*** up in this case I think was DL, her interference in the case is unprecedented. I feel she inhibited the case being solved at the time . And quite possibly misled the investigation by muddying the waters and concealing certain aspects of her daughters life .i also think she embellished things too . Unfortunately the case almost became political in a sense .she should have allowed officers do their job .

I still hold the opinion that suzy willing went to meet her killer that day and it was somebody she felt couldn't wait till after work I also feel the higher the class , ,the more rich people feel there is an image and money to protect it complicates the investigation .Basically the investigators start out with their backs against the wall