UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[WestLondoner]

No unidentified prints were found in the car, nor was there any sign it had been wiped down. There was one partial handprint on the mirror that has never been identified.

 

[Ljh21]

No unidentified prints were found in the car, nor was there any sign it had been wiped down. There was one partial handprint on the mirror that has never been identified.

Well i guess if the partial print had been cannans or any other serial killer we would have known about it, that says a lot i would assume then it is a crime of passion.

 

[lee sumner]

Just a thought, the neighbour in shorrolds rd would conceivably have been the last person to have seen sjl alive, was any check done on him or his address?
Could have possibly chatted to sjl about a possible sale or move, done the deed and moved the car.

Just a thought, the neighbour in shorrolds rd would conceivably have been the last person to have seen sjl alive, was any check done on him or his address?
Could have possibly chatted to sjl about a possible sale or move, done the deed and moved the car.

i doubt HR was responsible for snatching SL, but i see what you mean. i wish HR would have paid more attention to the couple he seen that day.

 

[Ljh21]

Agreed and what about the witness that claims he saw JC with a large trunk on a trolly and dumped it in the canal at Brentford , I think on the 30th July 1986 and the fact that the police would allegedly not take him seriously and he was so adamant he went to JC's trial and confirmed to himself it was JC dumping the trunk in the canal ...but its been searched twice and nothing has been discovered...(thats the information that's out in the public domain.)

Personally i think jc was too sloppy just look at how clumsy he was with sb abduction and murder! Implicated himself everywhere and you would be considering sjl a year earlier he would leave no trace

 

[Ljh21]

Personally i think jc was too sloppy just look at how clumsy he was with sb abduction and murder! Implicated himself everywhere and you would be considering sjl a year earlier he would leave no trace

One thing i do not know if there is a way to find out if the pow had any allotments they used? The allotments are within 1 mile of stevenage road

 

[tes1984]

One thing i do not know if there is a way to find out if the pow had any allotments they used? The allotments are within 1 mile of stevenage road

Why would the PoW need allotments?

IIRC I think that when you applied for a plot on an allotment, you had to agree not to grow food for commercial purposes. I might be wrong though.

 

[Ljh21]

Why would the PoW need allotments?

IIRC I think that when you applied for a plot on an allotment, you had to agree not to grow food for commercial purposes. I might be wrong though.

Or for that matter did anyone connected with sjl have one at that time from

 

[Ljh21]

Why would DL have talked to WJ before the police did why would she have thought WJ relevant to the investigation?

I have to say wl saying she saw the fiesta with the partial plate number is ludicrous i could walk past a million cars and why would i be remembering any such plate of just an average car, i just cannot believe that

 

[Ljh21]

How did she get to work that morning if she wasn't in her car?

Rephrase, she drove to work and the office junior had use of her car that morning so sjl could have been in another sturgis car, so it would be a possibility her purse was placed there later on and if so that could only be by a member if staff If we chose take that as a possibility

 

[greenwoodlad]

I wonder Suzy ended up in the Thames ? been doing some research on bodies that get dumped in the Thames - many never resurface - many are never ever found ........

 

[greenwoodlad]

I have to say wl saying she saw the fiesta with the partial plate number is ludicrous i could walk past a million cars and why would i be remembering any such plate of just an average car, i just cannot believe that

not at all - I have a photographic memory for number plates - I can remember my neighbours number plates on their cars from back in the 1970s - as clear as if it were yesterday and remembering GAN would be easy - in fact might I say I think its a highly memorable plate - especially the last 3 digits - the likelihood of another white fiesta being parked in the same place on stevenage rd on that day is zero and wL remembered the plate and said it ended in GAN - why would WL possibly make that up - she even timed it as 12.50pm as she was leaving for the bank at that moment.

 

[greenwoodlad]

I think it would be an excellent idea to meet up in Fulham on 28th July to revisit the case on the actual day of the 39th anniversary - Paul Dettmann (Crime Guy) is, I read revisiting Fulham this year to relook at the case on the ground so to speak ......

 

[Ljh21]

not at all - I have a photographic memory for number plates - I can remember my neighbours number plates on their cars from back in the 1970s - as clear as if it were yesterday and remembering GAN would be easy - in fact might I say I think its a highly memorable plate - especially the last 3 digits - the likelihood of another white fiesta being parked in the same place on stevenage rd on that day is zero and wL remembered the plate and said it ended in GAN - why would WL possibly make that up - she even timed it as 12.50pm as she was leaving for the bank at that moment.

That is fine that wl has such a great memory but not good enough to read be..gan , i just do not get that you remember the partial when began is so obvious

 

[WestLondoner]

the likelihood of another white fiesta being parked in the same place on stevenage rd on that day is zero

It's a lot higher than zero. The Fiesta was Britain's best- or second-best selling car through the 80s, selling about 100,000 a year and surpassed only by the Escort. White, along with red and mid-blue, was one of three colours available every year it was produced. By 1986 Ford had sold a million Mk1 and Mk2 Fiestas in the UK, meaning they were about 6% of all cars then on the road (16 million if memory serves).

There is good reason to think WJ just saw a different car. First it's not that unlikely, second she saw it before SJL could plausibly have got it there, thirdly BW saw it elsewhere at 2.30 and finally another witness reckoned to have seen a white Fiesta there at 12 noon. As this could not possibly have been SJL's car, it's a data point suggesting a different car.

 

[Ljh21]

It's a lot higher than zero. The Fiesta was Britain's best- or second-best selling car through the 80s, selling about 100,000 a year and surpassed only by the Escort. White, along with red and mid-blue, was one of three colours available every year it was produced. By 1986 Ford had sold a million Mk1 and Mk2 Fiestas in the UK, meaning they were about 6% of all cars then on the road (16 million if memory serves).

There is good reason to think WJ just saw a different car. First it's not that unlikely, second she saw it before SJL could plausibly have got it there, thirdly BW saw it elsewhere at 2.30 and finally another witness reckoned to have seen a white Fiesta there at 12 noon. As this could not possibly have been SJL's car, it's a data point suggesting a different car.

How good would it be to know every staff members movements for that morning, then we would be able to make sense of this mess, just this morning driving down the road thinking what a game changer it is nowadays with ring doorbells and cctv commonplace

 

[Ljh21]

If the notion is that the staff of Sturgis conspired against SJL in concert with the staff of the PoW, AL, the owner of 123SR and the owner of the garage, and that up to 3 Sturgis cars were involved, that's an astonishing bit of sleuthing.

I wonder if MG's sandwiches were ever accounted for? The police should have taken stool samples from everyone next day to check what they really ate for lunch that Monday.

Actually, maybe blood and seven samples too. If the boys were a bit busy for this, they could have just handed over their underpants.

It just shows how poor the investigation was.

 

[Ljh21]

It just shows how poor the investigation was.

If sjl turned right out of the office either she was getting sandwiches using aphone box or bank machine,if buying sandwiches then i would guess she would have taken them back into work before going to her car which she would have to walk past her office to get to, she supposedly did not do that so if abducted before then if it was random jc or a n other there would be no point in moving her car so my conclusion would be 2 people and one or both of them she knew very well her car was moved so i would say that was moved before leaving work so it implucates 1 colleague as the purse needs placing n the car and of her car was already not where it should have been she would have gone back to the office and said where is the car, unless she usually bought sandwiches somewhere else mg would know where and could say,

 

[Ljh21]

Al

It's a lot higher than zero. The Fiesta was Britain's best- or second-best selling car through the 80s, selling about 100,000 a year and surpassed only by the Escort. White, along with red and mid-blue, was one of three colours available every year it was produced. By 1986 Ford had sold a million Mk1 and Mk2 Fiestas in the UK, meaning they were about 6% of all cars then on the road (16 million if memory serves).

There is good reason to think WJ just saw a different car. First it's not that unlikely, second she saw it before SJL could plausibly have got it there, thirdly BW saw it elsewhere at 2.30 and finally another witness reckoned to have seen a white Fiesta there at 12 noon. As this could not possibly have been SJL's car, it's a data point suggesting a different caals

If sjl turned right out of the office either she was getting sandwiches using aphone box or bank machine,if buying sandwiches then i would guess she would have taken them back into work before going to her car which she would have to walk past her office to get to, she supposedly did not do that so if abducted before then if it was random jc or a n other there would be no point in moving her car so my conclusion would be 2 people and one or both of them she knew very well her car was moved so i would say that was moved before leaving work so it implucates 1 colleague as the purse needs placing n the car and of her car was already not where it should have been she would have gone back to the office and said where is the car, unless she usually bought sandwiches somewhere else mg would know where and could say,

Also the car needed to be @ 123 st why? Because one perp knew the comings and goings of the neighbours and knew how sharp they were, maybe chat and realised they were clever who would know that? Someone selling the local property! I know it is a big jump but you have to have a reason for the car being there the only risk is someone seeing you abandon the car so i would guess a female as you would match a vague description if seen so if i go with my thinking it is a man and a woman.

 

[Ljh21]

Al



Also the car needed to be @ 123 st why? Because one perp knew the comings and goings of the neighbours and knew how sharp they were, maybe chat and realised they were clever who would know that? Someone selling the local property! I know it is a big jump but you have to have a reason for the car being there the only risk is someone seeing you abandon the car so i would guess a female as you would match a vague description if seen so if i go with my thinking it is a man and a woman.

And hey all i am doing is trying to think of different narrative so no need for taking the p

 

[greenwoodlad]

How good would it be to know every staff members movements for that morning, then we would be able to make sense of this mess, just this morning driving down the road thinking what a game changer it is nowadays with ring doorbells and cctv commonplace

absolutely agree