UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[greenwoodlad]

The wasteland would have been my number one search what with the personal items they had , the placing of the car and purse and all they would have had to do was say “oh hes out the back” , if that is where it happened. It beggars belief that it has not been checked
If we talk only facts
1 sjl had her items taken at the pub or restaurant.
2. She had spoken to pow staff that morning
3 there was an arrangement to collect her personal belongings
For that day and up to the time sjl went missing there was no other thing we can prove happened 100%
The pow should always have been checked inside and out
And to think dv was so close but let this one slip by is unfathomable with all the resources spent on wild goose chases around the country.

exactly ...DVs investigation was thorough and makes sense - was re watching his YouTube vlog last night - DV - who is Mr Kipper

 

[Kasparthecat1]

exactly ...DVs investigation was thorough and makes sense - was re watching his YouTube vlog last night - DV - who is Mr Kipper

I must watch that vlog again! Not sure really about the "thoroughness" of the research - he did, after all, ignore BW - possibly the most credible of the witnesses. I find him most entertaining though!

 

[greenwoodlad]

I must watch that vlog again! Not sure really about the "thoroughness" of the research - he did, after all, ignore BW - possibly the most credible of the witnesses. I find him most entertaining though!

yes he did not mention the BW sighting at all - that was annoying it does need addressing - he does dismiss most witnesses as not credible doesn't he? - but I like the way he keeps it simple and says - "just follow the timeline" - also I think in the first 24 hours the police messed it all up and DL too I agree with him fully on that.

 

[Ljh21]

exactly ...DVs investigation was thorough and makes sense - was re watching his YouTube vlog last night - DV - who is Mr Kipper

One other thought wasn’t it the restaurant next door they went to?
If so someone there could have put the items on the doorstep
I would check the back of that at at the same time too!

 

[Ljh21]

One other thought wasn’t it the restaurant next door they went to?
If so someone there could have put the items on the doorstep
I would check the back of that at at the same time too!

I do not understand why dv would not give the back garden a check too ?

 

[greenwoodlad]

I do not understand why dv would not give the back garden a check too ?

it needs digging up with a spade if it is actually still a garden not going in there with heavy diggers etc so evidence will be ruined.....also were you talking about the crocodile tears?
1. dont know if it has a back garden
2. how would SJL have ended up buried there?

Nt sure how this narrative would have played out?

 

[Ljh21]

it needs digging up with a spade if it is actually still a garden not going in there with heavy diggers etc so evidence will be ruined.....also were you talking about the crocodile tears?
1. dont know if it has a back garden
2. how would SJL have ended up buried there?

Nt sure how this narrative would have played out?

it needs digging up with a spade if it is actually still a garden not going in there with heavy diggers etc so evidence will be ruined.....also were you talking about the crocodile tears?
1. dont know if it has a back garden
2. how would SJL have ended up buried there?

Nt sure how this narrative would have played out?

Do you know who owned crocodile tears?

 

[Ljh21]

I think it was JC who took Suzy. It's not a certainty but he's the only really strong suspect I've seen.

I don't think it was anything to do with 'name' suspects like Duffy, Mulchahy, Napper, David Fuller, Michael Sams etc.

Steve Wright knew Suzy so he looked good on paper, but I think multiple police forces (and not just the Met) have had a thorough look at his movements in the mid 80s.

The wasteland would have been my number one search what with the personal items they had , the placing of the car and purse and all they would have had to do was say “oh hes out the back” , if that is where it happened. It beggars belief that it has not been checked
If we talk only facts
1 sjl had her items taken at the pub or restaurant.
2. She had spoken to pow staff that morning
3 there was an arrangement to collect her personal belongings
For that day and up to the time sjl went missing there was no other thing we can prove happened 100%
The pow should always have been checked inside and out
And to think dv was so close but let this one slip by is unfathomable with all the resources spent on wild goose chases around the country.

Just thinking , does anyone know when cv moved back up north?
I was thinking maybe he came down here forcthe “job” as it were

 

[Ljh21]

Going ba

Agreed and what about the witness that claims he saw JC with a large trunk on a trolly and dumped it in the canal at Brentford , I think on the 30th July 1986 and the fact that the police would allegedly not take him seriously and he was so adamant he went to JC's trial and confirmed to himself it was JC dumping the trunk in the canal ...but its been searched twice and nothing has been discovered...(thats the information that's out in the public domain

Going back to the pow, i wondered kh and cv timeline of leaving their jobs at the pow? Not sure if anyone has that info but thought i would ask

 

[greenwoodlad]

Going ba

Going back to the pow, i wondered kh and cv timeline of leaving their jobs at the pow? Not sure if anyone has that info but thought i would ask

according the information out there .....they were only covering the owner for a week maximum so from the weekend of the 24/25th July for 1 week - so they would leave the POW on Friday / Saturday the 30th/31st July so 3 -4 days after she went missing ....I note from DV's book that KH would not discuss SJL or that incident and that CV became very angry when he found out DV had questioned KH - very interesting - I am thinking SJL could have popped back to POW for her diary and chequebook and something happened there - could have been an argument / or an accident... leading to some fatal consequences for SJL and then the person had to think quickly to get rid of all evidence - this could conceivably all happened on 26th July ...but what I don't get is if someone was trying to get rid of a body ....how did no one see anything suspicious ? were these 2 ever seriously questioned at the time? or was this all missed while the police were running around looking for Mr Kipper...sadly she never told anyone where she was really going which ultimately is the reason why we don't know where she is now....

 

[greenwoodlad]

Just thinking , does anyone know when cv moved back up north?
I was thinking maybe he came down here forcthe “job” as it were

I do see that SJL could have met her fate at the POW but can't see how it was a planned or intentional act that was planned by someone just coming down to do a temp job? I feel this could have been something that went wrong on that afternoon .........something happened and she crossed paths with her killer ...I feel it was someone she knew she was going to meet or someone she crossed paths with when she met the person she was going to see....

 

[Ljh21]

I do see that SJL could have met her fate at the POW but can't see how it was a planned or intentional act that was planned by someone just coming down to do a temp job? I feel this could have been something that went wrong on that afternoon .........something happened and she crossed paths with her killer ...I feel it was someone she knew she was going to meet or someone she crossed paths with when she met the person she was going to see....

Have you ever thought that is what he does for a fee , comes down and takes care of business al may have confided in kh and kh knew cv

 

[Ljh21]

Going ba

Going back to the pow, i wondered kh and cv timeline of leaving their jobs at the pow? Not sure if anyone has that info but thought i would ask

I do see that SJL could have met her fate at the POW but can't see how it was a planned or intentional act that was planned by someone just coming down to do a temp job? I feel this could have been something that went wrong on that afternoon .........something happened and she crossed paths with her killer ...I feel it was someone she knew she was going to meet or someone she crossed paths with when she met the person she was going to see....

I think dv is not far out, the only things that are a certainty are that sjl had the info that her personal items were at the pow - fact, sjl would have wanted her personal items back - fact, she left work at around 12:30- 12:40 ? Questionable as no-one can 100% prove that. So 2 choice’s something happened at work or at the pow, we have no factual evidence of anything other happening apart from theories so i agree with dv that we stick to the facts but at which location , i would choose the pow all day long over anything happening at work, but mg meeting the neighbour and selling his narrative and dl talking to a eyewitness really muddied the waters and for me left a question mark over mg, and the neighbour saying sjl was bundled into a van leaves a massive red flag over him also. One thing i would have liked to have seen is dv looking into the character of cv , kh

 

[Ljh21]

AIUI the member of staff he took was the permanent secretary SF.
Of course this would mean she'd be able to corroborate his story.

i guess he could have gone there twice , who knows

 

[Ljh21]

Not sure what can be read into where SJL turned on leaving the office. If the car's on the left but the cashpoint's on the right she's probably gone there, her purse having been found with cash in it.

does anyone have the facts of how many people worked at sturgis on the monday as many reports say 3 mg,sjl and the office junior

 

[Ljh21]

she was reported by MG as officially missing at 6.55pm on 28th July 1986....I do take into account and respect recent posts from members of this forum .....BUT I still think that is a long time .....6 hours after what was supposed to be an appointment where she was away from her desk for half an hour tops....where was MG at 2pm and 3pm ( when she had been absent for well over an hour and 2 hours respectively ....he called DL at 4.55pm ( just over 4 hours after she left the agency ) but a further 2 hours elapsed before she was officially reported to the police ......I think this length of time is ridiculously long ...someone at Sturgis should have been raising the alarm by 2.30pm..

Thoughts....?

exactly , mg showed urgency and devastating worry at 2;30-3pm hospitals police station and then decided to call it in at 6:55 , i guess he had a lot on his plate that day

 

[Ljh21]

It cannot be denied that he could have controlled the whole narrative that day ....he was the main sturgis witness giving statements to the police as ive said previously what if he was involved in creating the false appointment for suzy ? or could he have asked her to pop into crocodile tears and they would do the (false) viewing together ? who knows - anything is possible - would the police have suspected ...no because it could be so easily covered up

mg could have lifted her diary at work on friday knew her plans for that night even and left the diary at pow on sunday , he knew her lifestyle sjl with her busy weekend may not even have noticed her diary and checkbook was missing and seems likely as she did not mention it over the weekend.

 

[tes1984]

Have you ever thought that is what he does for a fee , comes down and takes care of business al may have confided in kh and kh knew cv

This is one of the most far fetched theories I've seen for a long time!

 

[Ljh21]

This is one of the most far fetched theories I've seen for a long time!

Sjl car passenger door locked suggests to me “if we believe sjl was ever in the car”
(Which has never been proved) she had gone to
1 pow to collect her items
2 buy the infamous sandwiches
3 got in another car
4 gone to another nearby address
Where it was left leaves no question that was where it was dumped, or does it?
Because sjl had her purse i would assume sjl was going to get the sandwiches, did she go to somewhere to buy them? Did she get them at the same place everytime? Does mg know where she would buy them? I would guess he does as most people rotate who buys or if you like them you would say where you bought them.I know you think it is a small thing but literally “the devil is in the detail”sjl may have gone to somewhere nearby popped in used the loo , so to speak and never come out, who knows but 38 years later and has anyone ever thought about where she would have bought her sandwiches? Maybe even the pow said they would make her sandwiches and she went through to the kitchen

 

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