Was/is Shawn abusive toward Billie?

[Aedrys]

I think both of them are big talkers, especially SA, but are not so much on carrying through with what they say. They are more bark than bite to me. No abuse there, or if there was, it was mutual. I do not see Billie as a victim of SA. She enjoys having him as her boy toy, and he enjoys being her boy toy. I think the threats were just that, baseless threats he never intended to carry out. They were probably shouting at each other and Billie was finally the one to call the police on him. She reminds me of a former roommate who didn't threaten me one bit, but when I accidently almost fell on her when I tripped over the threshold of a doorway to her bathroom, she called the police and said I had threated to assault her. Luckily, all I got was a lecture, but I learned that I had to be careful about how I was around her after that. If SA did do this, there's no way in the world he'd ever say anything to Billie about it, especially after last Valentine's Day. I bet he sits there and smirks at the way she keeps defending him too. He's really thinking he's got away with something and Billie will never know.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic. No, I don't think he abused Billie, and I would never believe Billie to be a victim on him. No matter how I try to look at it, abuse just doesn't work for me in this situation.

 

[Knox]

Do you have a link to that ? I have been wanting to hear it as that is the one thing I have not heard yet I did read some about it so I am aware of some content but wanted hear first hand.

Link to what, the PH phone interview? If you heard about it, surely you know it was yanked.

 

[LisaB]

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hai...s-mother-connie-jones-radio-interview-feb-23/

Host: People have sort of a perception of Billie that she doesn’t show emotion. Has she always been this way? Has she always not shown emotion?

Connie: Well, I’ve seen her cry over wanting Clint back and everything, and you know, tears can get you just about anything

CJ said this during her interview on Feb 23 and it stood out to me at the time. I think BD is used to getting her way.

You don't think that when she cheated on Shawn it could have been with Clint, do you? Just wondering out loud...

 

[LisaB]

I am not sticking up for BD in my reply to this post, but I did hear her say she did not put it on him, but a friend did from a pen she had in her pocket that came from work.

The silver nitrate sticks can be puyrchased on Amazon.com. There's no requirement that you provide a prescription to buy.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Silver-Nitrate-Applicators-Tube-100/dp/B0008G1Y92"]Amazon.com: Silver Nitrate Applicators - Tube 100: Health & Personal Care[/ame]

A pack of 100 sells for $30.

There's also a website, http://www.medicaledu.com, on which there was some discussion of the use of these. While I learned a lot reading what they say, I don't want to link directly to the discussion. Since the posts are obviously the personal opinions of the posters, based of their experiences, they are not necessarily "checked" for accuracy.

The only person who refers to them burning the skin puts the word "burn" in quotes. The gist of what I read there suggests the application of the moistened stick causes the skin to turn grey. After a few days, the grey skin sloughs off leaving healthy pink tissue behind. It doesn't sound either painful or permanent to me.

 

[For The Kids]

The silver nitrate sticks can be puyrchased on Amazon.com. There's no requirement that you provide a prescription to buy.

Amazon.com: Silver Nitrate Applicators - Tube 100: Health & Personal Care

A pack of 100 sells for $30.

There's also a website, http://www.medicaledu.com, on which there was some discussion of the use of these. While I learned a lot reading what they say, I don't want to link directly to the discussion. Since the posts are obviously the personal opinions of the posters, based of their experiences, they are not necessarily "checked" for accuracy.

The only person who refers to them burning the skin puts the word "burn" in quotes. The gist of what I read there suggests the application of the moistened stick causes the skin to turn grey. After a few days, the grey skin sloughs off leaving healthy pink tissue behind. It doesn't sound either painful or permanent to me.

Wasnt the stick just to stop the bleeding though? It wasnt to do the marking itself IIRC

 

[LisaB]

Somebody could be afraid to spend the night at their home because of something they did. Let's say Shawn found out that day that Billie was cheating on him. That night he would be really angry, and she might have been afraid of him that night, because of her own behavior.

But Connie didnt say Billlie moved out because she was afraid. I think she went back home the next day. They had a dramatic and crazy relationship. They abused each other imo.

Why would Billie leave HER HOME? Why wouldn't she have Shawn removed if he was threatening? It sounds like either she didn't want to be around when he was using drugs (all that alleged cocaine?) or that she had done something that "set him off". In either case, calling LE in might do more harm than good.

"He's all wired up because he stole the cocaine I bought to sell and put it all up his nose" ??? "He's mad at me because I cheated on him" ??? Not likely to garner much sympathy. Better to stay away until things calm down.

 

[LisaB]

I don't think BJD would have a problem in the world lying to Connie, the deeper the drama the better, especially if she thought it was over between her and SA and she wanted CD back. She probably thought he would "rescue" her.

It seems odd to me that she ran to the home of her former mother-in-law for refuge instead of her own mom, or one of the many other relatives on her side of the family. Is there any verification this actually occurred, how many times, or how recently? Presumably she brought the kids with her?

I have noticed that it's Clint's mom who describes the most horrific of possibilities... she was the first to say (out loud in MSM anyway - NG) that Shawn "probably" raped and murdered Hailey, and in the BTH interview to describe what animals would likely have done to Hailey's remains, including swallowing her teeth. If you ask me, SHE is a bit of drama queen, and may be enjoying the media attention. Where in the WORLD did she get the idea that DD's back was marked with a CIRCUMCISION TOOL? Her versions of events always seem pretty "extreme" to me, and never quite match with the way other people remember things. She is the only one (apparently) that Hailey told about Shawn creeping around her doorway, and now she's even pointing a finger at Naomi's mom.

Is it just me?

 

[LisaB]

Wasnt the stick just to stop the bleeding though? It wasnt to do the marking itself IIRC

They ARE intended to be used to cauterize a wound (my daughter's umbilical cord had to be cauterized when it came off too early) but as I understood it, these were what DD's friend used to mark his back. If Billie DID know about them doing it, she would have known it was temporary (probably lasts about as long as a henna tattoo) and not freaked out about them "mutilating" him.

BECAUSE they are used to cauterize wounds, I think someone who knew the intended purpose of the sticks may have started speculating that their use in this case was not to cause the marking, but to cauterize CUTS made into his back, with the cuts being the intended means of marking, which is obviously more permanent. CPS did NOT take custody of DD over it, so I don't think Billie carved his back with a sharp implement and then cauterized the edges (those would be some deep cuts to require cauterization).

Also, she was basically allowing her 13 y.o. daughter to "mutilate" herself by stretching out her earlobes (I went through this with my daughter at about 14), as it apparently is the "thing to do" these days. Similarly, I have seen intentional scarring (in patterns, like brands) on professional athletes, and fraternity members so I guess that is another one of those things people do to mutilate themselves for aesthetic reasons.

 

[yllek]

I couldn't agree more Tfox. Billie Dunn may have met SA on the internet but I have no doubt she instigated the relatiohship as much if not more than Shawn did. She met SA, knew his interest and still invited him to move into her home where her 13 yr old daughter and 17 yr old son lived.

I agree about the stash too. They both knew what was on the computer and the memory stick. IMOO

Wanted to add, BD had to know about the mask, she was in a video with SA.

BBM

3/4/11 BTHN Blog Radio:
Shawn Adkins: Yeah, she didn’t mind at all. Like I, she (Hailey) would put those masks on herself, and have fun with them too, and she would sit right along with me, and watch horror movies, comedies, I mean, she wasn’t scared of it at all.

I found this a disturbing admission. If Shawn and Hailey were wearing his masks in the house, then Billie would presumably be well aware. I think the masks are another element of their hobby which they both fully enjoy. No abuse between Billie and Shawn; instead, shared tastes in the macabre and abuse of others (children, animals...). I'm afraid that Hailey may indeed have worn the masks (that Billie claims she only knows about cuz Shawn traded them), but that it wasn't to sit around and watch comedies with Shawn Adkins...I think electronic evidence may exist showing Hailey wearing the masks. The only possible abuse in this case involves the children living under Billie Jean's roof... MOO

 

[ThoughtFox]

They ARE intended to be used to cauterize a wound (my daughter's umbilical cord had to be cauterized when it came off too early) but as I understood it, these were what DD's friend used to mark his back. If Billie DID know about them doing it, she would have known it was temporary (probably lasts about as long as a henna tattoo) and not freaked out about them "mutilating" him.

BECAUSE they are used to cauterize wounds, I think someone who knew the intended purpose of the sticks may have started speculating that their use in this case was not to cause the marking, but to cauterize CUTS made into his back, with the cuts being the intended means of marking, which is obviously more permanent. CPS did NOT take custody of DD over it, so I don't think Billie carved his back with a sharp implement and then cauterized the edges (those would be some deep cuts to require cauterization).

Hmmm, no - CPS didn't make the boy move out at the time that Clint reported it, however LE made DD move out about the time that story about the "tattoo" hit the press. I think because it goes to BD's state of mind in taking stuff from work and letting her son play around with it. (Of course at the time we didn't know about child either, so there may even be other reasons for making him move out).

But here's a little reality check about silver nitrate ~ it can definitely be dangerous and the police might not see it as benign, but as a misuse of a medical material.

I found this story about a student at the University of Georgia arrested under a charge of felony aggravated battery for using it on another student and causing "second degree burns and scarring":

http://www.redandblack.com/2008/10/29/silver-nitrate-burn-results-in-student-arrest-wwarrants/

Neyhart was also charged with illegal possession of a dangerous drug or chemical – silver nitrate – and reckless conduct. He “did endanger the bodily safety of another person, ” according to the warrant.

Silver nitrate, a chemical compound, is a colorless crystalline material that dissolves in water. It is used to remove warts and is a chemical in inks and hair dyes. If swallowed, silver nitrate is poisonous. Silver nitrate may burn and irritate the skin. It also stains skin.

 

[For The Kids]

They ARE intended to be used to cauterize a wound (my daughter's umbilical cord had to be cauterized when it came off too early) but as I understood it, these were what DD's friend used to mark his back. If Billie DID know about them doing it, she would have known it was temporary (probably lasts about as long as a henna tattoo) and not freaked out about them "mutilating" him.

BECAUSE they are used to cauterize wounds, I think someone who knew the intended purpose of the sticks may have started speculating that their use in this case was not to cause the marking, but to cauterize CUTS made into his back, with the cuts being the intended means of marking, which is obviously more permanent. CPS did NOT take custody of DD over it, so I don't think Billie carved his back with a sharp implement and then cauterized the edges (those would be some deep cuts to require cauterization).

Also, she was basically allowing her 13 y.o. daughter to "mutilate" herself by stretching out her earlobes (I went through this with my daughter at about 14), as it apparently is the "thing to do" these days. Similarly, I have seen intentional scarring (in patterns, like brands) on professional athletes, and fraternity members so I guess that is another one of those things people do to mutilate themselves for aesthetic reasons.

To be honest i feel sorry for DDS friend. There is NO proof whatsover that this child did anything to DD.

 

[swedie]

I just listened to the PH show...interesting how SA's interview was analyzed by those two.

I lol when PH said SA's mom has made SA into Norman Bates.
PH seems to think SA will k!ll BD and commit su!c!de. Especially if he finds out BD will make a plea bargain.

 

[southern_comfort]

No, I don't think he abused her.

I think they have a BDSM relationship and a shared interest in a variety of fetishes, including bestiality.

Sometimes the lengths to which a girl will go for her Master have no bounds.

 

[katydid23]

BBM

3/4/11 BTHN Blog Radio:
Shawn Adkins: Yeah, she didn’t mind at all. Like I, she (Hailey) would put those masks on herself, and have fun with them too, and she would sit right along with me, and watch horror movies, comedies, I mean, she wasn’t scared of it at all.
[ snipped respectfully]
. MOO

Well, that's odd. I thought Shawn said that the masks were ONLY for Halloween time. :liar::liar::liar::liar::liar:

 

[Soulmagent]

I just listened to the PH show...interesting how SA's interview was analyzed by those two.

I lol when PH said SA's mom has made SA into Norman Bates.
PH seems to think SA will k!ll BD and commit su!c!de. Especially if he finds out BD will make a plea bargain.

I also thought of that except I had it the other way arround BD killing SA and then Herself. Just a feeling I had Odd he said that though.

 

[SmoothOperator]

As I've said many times Billie wears the pants in the relationship.. SA grew up and IMO has modeled his relationship much like what he witnessed growing up and seeing his grandmother/grandfather's relationship{which IMO Grandma is a very dominant woman}...

Shawn's entire BTH "show" that he put on was for none other than Billie{and just as some have said the main portion about his feelings for BD and his personal plea to his "stalker" were most likely reAd from a statement prepared for him to read by BJD herself}..

Going back to the above discussionsaround the 911 calls{Feb 2010} and Billie not staying at her home{for "whatever reason"}.. SA stated that during that time that Billie was not doing well at all and infact was not even living in her home{I never did find out where exactly her children were during this time that she was not living in the home?}

Lastly Marc Klaas made a statement and said he wanted to make it very clear..

His statement was made immediately following a therapist who made the comment that "if as Billie claimed she knew nothing of Shawn's deviant behaviors and evident involvement in child that she'd have to be the dumbest..most naive..the most clueless of any "innocent" person to ever have walked the earth"..

Marc immediately followed that with his wantingto make clear that in no way whatsoever is there anything naive or gullible about Billie..That Billie is extremely aware of her surroundings and household..and to not be mistaken Billie is extremely smart and street savy..

Marc was up close and personal with Billie and describes just how "with it" Billie is..

She's not being manipulated and she certainly isn't abused by Shawn..She is at the helm of this master manipulation that she is trying he r absolute damnest to choreograph..jmo tho..

 

[SmoothOperator]

The silver nitrate sticks can be puyrchased on Amazon.com. There's no requirement that you provide a prescription to buy.

Amazon.com: Silver Nitrate Applicators - Tube 100: Health & Personal Care

A pack of 100 sells for $30.

There's also a website, http://www.medicaledu.com, on which there was some discussion of the use of these. While I learned a lot reading what they say, I don't want to link directly to the discussion. Since the posts are obviously the personal opinions of the posters, based of their experiences, they are not necessarily "checked" for accuracy.

The only person who refers to them burning the skin puts the word "burn" in quotes. The gist of what I read there suggests the application of the moistened stick causes the skin to turn grey. After a few days, the grey skin sloughs off leaving healthy pink tissue behind. It doesn't sound either painful or permanent to me.

These are not the same quality/strength of what Billie accessed and stole from her workplace..the hospital..totally different than what you have listed above

 

[SoSueMe]

Sure, I think BD probably held the upper hand in the relationship, but that doesn't mean that SA couldn't become violent toward her.

There seem to be a lot of women in SA's life, ruling and calling the shots. While some men accept it, some also secretly despise it.

I doubt SA has much respect for women at all. JMO

 

[TexasTNT]

IMO BD is a master at manipulation and a player. The twists, turns and changes in the stories lead me to believe she plays the game well and manipulates or believes she is manipulating events to suit her needs at the time.

The relationship between SA and BD is at best highly toxic. They feed off one another.

Child abuse has occurred in BD's home on more than one occasion, IMO. DD, the tat. This is one instance we know about.

 

[tezi]

IMO BD is a master at manipulation and a player. The twists, turns and changes in the stories lead me to believe she plays the game well and manipulates or believes she is manipulating events to suit her needs at the time.

The relationship between SA and BD is at best highly toxic. They feed off one another.

Child abuse has occurred in BD's home on more than one occasion, IMO. DD, the tat. This is one instance we know about.

BBM...That is exactly how I see it. I just couldn't put it into words like you did!

She's in no way abused by SA. She manipulates the situation so that she is always the "victim." Everything is about her. And if everything isn't about her, watch out, because she will throw a fit. And then, everything will be about her again. Just disgusting.