Was/is Shawn abusive toward Billie?

[lynnb]

IMO, this whole clan is dysfunctional. The last 6 months have probably been awesome cuz it's been that long since one of them threatened the other's life. I would bet BD has dished out just as much as she's taken.
BD running to Connies scared I find amusing......Who runs to their ex mother in laws house to hide from the boyfriend? IMO, BD knew exactly what buttons to push to get SA going. You don't think the times she "hid" at Connies that SA didn't go crazy wondering if Clint was there also?
BD has played the victim of abuse when it suited her. The key word being played. IMO.

 

[Knox]

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hai...s-mother-connie-jones-radio-interview-feb-23/

Host: People have sort of a perception of Billie that she doesn’t show emotion. Has she always been this way? Has she always not shown emotion?

Connie: Well, I’ve seen her cry over wanting Clint back and everything, and you know, tears can get you just about anything

CJ said this during her interview on Feb 23 and it stood out to me at the time. I think BD is used to getting her way.

You nailed it TGiGi, great post!!!

 

[Jo in Calif]

I don't think either one of them are in love with each other, I think they are in lust.
They are both extremely immature, I doubt if either one of them really know what love is.
They appear to be addicted to each other.
I don't think Billie is abused.

 

[Knox]

I understand and can respect your opinion but I totally disagree. I am not a BD fan either and feel that the relationship was toxic and she had/has a role in the toxicity.
I will now step away from this thread. As a survivor, it hits too close to home for me.

Hugs and you have my respect for your opinions and what you experienced.

 

[cluciano63]

No way. Billie wears the pants and runs the show.

 

[For The Kids]

IMO, this whole clan is dysfunctional. The last 6 months have probably been awesome cuz it's been that long since one of them threatened the other's life. I would bet BD has dished out just as much as she's taken.
BD running to Connies scared I find amusing......Who runs to their ex mother in laws house to hide from the boyfriend? IMO, BD knew exactly what buttons to push to get SA going. You don't think the times she "hid" at Connies that SA didn't go crazy wondering if Clint was there also?
BD has played the victim of abuse when it suited her. The key word being played. IMO.

You have a good point there actually. Why hide at Clints mother instead of her own? IMO you right and it was to get Shaun going.

 

[curiousc]

It may take time sure but..women will leave the abusive partner if it becames bad enough. In Billies case it was her house and she could have gotten a restraining order against him. She had no kids with him so really..she had no reason to stay with him IF she was being abused. I was with my husband..and divorced him in the end because i knew i would be dead otherwise. Several of my aunts were in abusive marriages ( two sisters married two brothers for starters) and they ended up in womens shelters. There is help out there and in Billies case she had family also..

Personally i think the staunch defensiveness is because she somehow was involved in whatever happened to Haleigh. I believe she sticks up for Shawn because shes scared he will go to the cops and implicate her in some way. As for not leaving him well..he was "awesome" and she loves him so..that explains it all really.

MOO

Most abusive women are scared to leave because they are afraid of having no money, no home and they don't think they have a place to go to. The men are controlling with money, material things etc. BD owned her own house and her own income so there was no reason why she would not have an out if SA was abusive.

I agree 100% with some others that I think BD wore the pants in that relationship. And I think she's a schemer and a manipulator and I think SA the follower. IMO

 

[yllek]

You have a good point there actually. Why hide at Clints mother instead of her own? IMO you right and it was to get Shaun going.

Exactly, imo.

Why on earth would Shawn Adkins and Clint Dunn be fighting in the front yard of Connie Jones if not for Billie Jean orchestrating the drama. She played them against each other until Clint was done with the game, imo. Two men fighting with Billie Jean at the center - bet she even pretended to be "disgusted"...

 

[matou]

Didn't Billie call Shawn MDMR in the 911 call? How did she want LE to interpret that? As an excuse for his behavior or as an insult about him? Is she "in love" with an MDMR guy? (LOL) She is a game player and I'm sure she only got angry at Shawn since finding out about the other women and not about any CP or bestiality photos. However, I feel that Shawn may have "threatened" any player in this case, including Billie, by mentioning that he has only killed rats when asked if he likes animals on the radio show the other night. JMO

 

[sorrell skye]

If the February 2010 911 calls are to be believed (in which Billie reported that Shawn threatened to murder her, as well as Clint, and, according to the sworn affidavit, threatened to murder Hailey, as well, and that it "would be remembered for a long time"), then yes - Shawn was abusive. Homicidal threats are abuse.

At this point in time, I'm not concerned with whether or not Shawn was/is abusive to Billie.

What concerns me is whether or not Shawn is involved in Hailey's disappearance. What concerns me is whether or not Shawn possibly murdered Hailey.

Billie, an adult, made the choice to be involved with Shawn. Billie made the choice to move Shawn into her home with her children (despite the homicidal threats reported in the February 2010 911 calls).

Hailey, a child, did not get to make the choice of who her mother brought into her life.

Hailey did not get to make the choice of who her mother moved into her home.

Billie made & continues to make her choices.

I will not make excuses for her. IMO, she makes more than enough excuses for herself.

 

[Knox]

There's not a one-size fits all pattern for abuse. But for those of us who have been here at WS for any length of time, we "see" things repeat over and over again in many cases. When a wife or girlfriend go's missing, the first thing we ask about is about the SO. Next you'll see "oh not again" posts.

I don't see that here at all. From day one, Billie played the poor me card. I was fascinated by her NG appearances, drawn to tune in to watch her. I'm not easily taken in mind you, but with her, it took me a while to get it. She was so childlike, appeared to be very unsophisticated & vulnerable, it really sucked you in initially.

I see no signs that Billie is being abused or controlled by Shawn. I think she is sexually attracted to him. The unmentionable bedroom things they did/do together was unlike anything she had experienced before. In other words he rocked her boat in an ocean wave kinda way. She had a baby young, missed out on her youth, you all know the drill. This is what she missed out on earlier in her life. She thinks he's a stud-muffin and a catch.

If she's addicted to pain meds or whatever her drug of choice is as Clint said in his PH phone interview. A sexual addiction's not that big of a leap. Now she and Shawn are deeply entangled in a totally dysfunctional spider web that neither one of them can break free of and Hailey has been lost in all their personal dramas.

Honestly, I wish parenting had an approval process.

 

[For The Kids]

Didn't Billie call Shawn MDMR in the 911 call? How did she want LE to interpret that? As an excuse for his behavior or as an insult about him? Is she "in love" with an MDMR guy? (LOL) She is a game player and I'm sure she only got angry at Shawn since finding out about the other women and not about any CP or bestiality photos. However, I feel that Shawn may have "threatened" any player in this case, including Billie, by mentioning that he has only killed rats when asked if he likes animals on the radio show the other night. JMO

I wonder if anyone will get a headless rat in there letterbox?

Given similarities with the Haleigh Cummings im fully expecting that to happen.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Here's what I think: BD admitted they met on MySpace, that they shared "hobbies" about serial killers and horror movies, that she let him move into HER house where her children lived and that she still wishes they were together.

It doesn't sound to me as if she's feels abused. She has taken up for SA every way possible and always gives him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think she has been brainwashed by him - I don't think he's clever enough to be some kind of Svengali manipulator, but BD might be one. :twocents:

I think the stuff that was found in HER bedroom in HER house was a shared stash - the printouts about crime (which she admitted to copying at work) and the (his and hers?). Honestly nothing would surprise me about that. She must have liked those masks, too - she had to know about them.

 

[Mandy113]

Willenfan ... I respect your opinions & viewpoint on this topic. I think you have an enormously kind & generous heart.

I have not been involved in an abusive relationship myself so I can't speak from any personal knowledge of the subject. Many of have already made the points I'd mention. Whatever happened in the past between SA & BD, once Hailey was missing, as her mother that would change everything for me. She had called LE about SA before. She had family, apparently both hers & CD's, she could have gone to. She should be desperate to get her daughter back. MK advised her himself to come clean with LE about everything.

I believe the relationship between SA & BD is toxic. My impression of Billie is of a woman who is more likely to manipulate than to be manipulated.

All JMHO .... with respect to those who view it differently.

 

[lillys]

Here's what I think: BD admitted they met on MySpace, that they shared "hobbies" about serial killers and horror movies, that she let him move into HER house where her children lived and that she still wishes they were together.

It doesn't sound to me as if she's feels abused. She has taken up for SA every way possible and always gives him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think she has been brainwashed by him - I don't think he's clever enough to be some kind of Svengali manipulator, but BD might be one. :twocents:

I think the stuff that was found in HER bedroom in HER house was a shared stash - the printouts about crime (which she admitted to copying at work) and the (his and hers?). Honestly nothing would surprise me about that. She must have liked those masks, too - she had to know about them.

I couldn't agree more Tfox. Billie Dunn may have met SA on the internet but I have no doubt she instigated the relatiohship as much if not more than Shawn did. She met SA, knew his interest and still invited him to move into her home where her 13 yr old daughter and 17 yr old son lived.

I agree about the stash too. They both knew what was on the computer and the memory stick. IMOO

Wanted to add, BD had to know about the mask, she was in a video with SA.

 

[Nana46]

Willenfan ... I respect your opinions & viewpoint on this topic. I think you have an enormously kind & generous heart.

I have not been involved in an abusive relationship myself so I can't speak from any personal knowledge of the subject. Many of have already made the points I'd mention. Whatever happened in the past between SA & BD, once Hailey was missing, as her mother that would change everything for me. She had called LE about SA before. She had family, apparently both hers & CD's, she could have gone to. She should be desperate to get her daughter back. MK advised her himself to come clean with LE about everything.

I believe the relationship between SA & BD is toxic. My impression of Billie is of a woman who is more likely to manipulate than to be manipulated.

All JMHO .... with respect to those who view it differently.

Very well said.IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

I think Mark K. came pretty close to saying Billie is a manipulator...and not the naive little thing she presents as.

 

[WillenFan21]

Wow great discussion going on!! Glad to see this is an interesting topic.

 

[Soulmagent]

There's not a one-size fits all pattern for abuse. But for those of us who have been here at WS for any length of time, we "see" things repeat over and over again in many cases. When a wife or girlfriend go's missing, the first thing we ask about is about the SO. Next you'll see "oh not again" posts.

I don't see that here at all. From day one, Billie played the poor me card. I was fascinated by her NG appearances, drawn to tune in to watch her. I'm not easily taken in mind you, but with her, it took me a while to get it. She was so childlike, appeared to be very unsophisticated & vulnerable, it really sucked you in initially.

I see no signs that Billie is being abused or controlled by Shawn. I think she is sexually attracted to him. The unmentionable bedroom things they did/do together was unlike anything she had experienced before. In other words he rocked her boat in an ocean wave kinda way. She had a baby young, missed out on her youth, you all know the drill. This is what she missed out on earlier in her life. She thinks he's a stud-muffin and a catch.

If she's addicted to pain meds or whatever her drug of choice is as Clint said in his PH phone interview. A sexual addiction's not that big of a leap. Now she and Shawn are deeply entangled in a totally dysfunctional spider web that neither one of them can break free of and Hailey has been lost in all their personal dramas.

Honestly, I wish parenting had an approval process.

Do you have a link to that ? I have been wanting to hear it as that is the one thing I have not heard yet I did read some about it so I am aware of some content but wanted hear first hand.

 

[dodie20]

Thing is though is most woman in abusive relationships don't leave and are scared to. As for she is complimenting I had wondered if her 180 on that was because he threatened her and told to start saying positive things or he'd kill her. Or just something threatening because before she was saying things against him like on Nancy Grace and everything.

I've seen scared women in abusive situations, & IMO, BD doesn't come across that way at all. Hers & Shawn's age difference, says a lot, imo, because he comes across as the immature & needy one. Now, in an older or more mature couple, those years might not mean much, but this guy isn't too many years removed from high school... The only person, (right now anyway), that I see as a victim, is Hailey. MOO.