AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #25

[Rubiconbob]

Note: No doors or exit / entry on back side of the main floor.

On lower floor in my edited version ...
Blue = Garage
Yellow = Possible door ? Hard to tell with the trees but looks to be a possible small patio area
Red = "Basement" Could be finished or unfinished but would be enough area to house a family room and/or bedroom

Yellow could be door... but definitely door to garage would be inside u would think ... so exit one way or another...

Nice detail to find ...

 

[photographer4]

If perp(s) took James out at the front door is it possible they didn’t enter the home through that same door? Maybe they went to another place in order to avoid stepping on blood / leaving bloody prints? Maybe they went around to the sliding door? Grabbed Jayme from there, took out mom somewhere in the home - she’s calling 911 and the guy kills her before she can connect but the call goes thru. He struggles with Jayme and is out a back door thus not leaving bloody footprints or
much evidence behind?

This idea would fit with a super shot timeline such as the one suggested by Fitzgerald. It may reasonably account for lack of evidence like bloody footprints...

 

[cluciano63]

If Jayme had been in this lower level, the dog was likely with her, which could be why the dog is safe. But then why would not take Mollie,if she indeed fled?

 

[photographer4]

Thanks. Your scenario makes a lot of sense.

Regarding the 911 call again - so the sequence would be:

1. Denise/James called 911
2. She/he was shot
3. Cellphone was dropped as she/he fell
4. Call went through to dispatcher

The sequence was possible, but amazing that the dispatcher didn't hear any of the shooting, falling, phone dropping crashing etc. There were only a very short few seconds that those sounds could have been missed ... Unless 911 calls take a while to go through, and I have no idea about that.

Regarding booties they are as per previous discussions eg.

I am thinking, if the attacker touched the cellphone to end the call, some mark should be left even if wearing gloves, on that end call button or icon. I don't see that mentioned?..

Is it possible the battery just died? If so, terrible timing. I wonder what 911 may have heard I’d call hadn’t disconnected. I wonder if any part of what they did hear is dead silence? It’s important. Bc if they heard a commotion on the call, then silence; they would know exactly what time perp(s) exited the house with Jayme. They may also know which door was used to exit the house based on sounds heard (eg: this door creaks but that one doesn’t). It would sure help lessen the working timeline if a commotion is say 20 seconds then it’s perfect silence for the rest of the call. They may also know that someone was literally fighting for their life or not to be taken. Terrifying thought.

 

[bellyup]

Yellow could be door... but definitely door to garage would be inside u would think ... so exit one way or another...
Nice detail to find ...

I'm hunting for any records that indicate number of bedrooms or total finished square feet. A dream find would be a floor plan of the home.

 

[Megnut]

My opinions....

I think two assailants makes sense. Male and female. Female to knock....

I've lived in ranch-styles homes before (one level, with a basement). IMO, on the back of those house, the black rectangles are all windows. About midway, there is a light colored rectangle, to me the likely door.

Additionally, in my experience, the staircase to the basement is likely located in the very center of the house.

It's also my experience that teens sometimes sleep in basements, whether or not their bedrooms are down there. This basement could well have a bedroom and a family rooms of sorts, in addition to expected rooms like laundry and utility.

 

[Rubiconbob]

I am not thinking Jayme managed to get outside and hide only to succumb to the elements. The sheriff said the phone was on the floor. Closer to Denise than Jim. If Jayme managed to get outside and hide, why was mom’s phone found inside the house on the floor? If Jayme managed to get out, wouldn’t she have brought the phone with her? Given it was located on the floor I’m thinking Jayme may have dialed 911 and was caught doing so by the perp(s).

I think parents were pretty smart grounded people... didn’t want jayme sleeping with phone... think they said her phone in kitchen...?? I still think perp waited James Denise home... try’s to kick or shoulder in door... James is there... immediate head shot... he’s down... Denise calls 911 takes step toward entry way to shut door or help James... boom second shot... not head shot but brutal due to weapon and proximity... she takes hit flings phone.. then bee lines to bathroom.. probably wounded and not long from there... after second shot perp is either on move to get jayme running outback or his accomplice is getting jayme..

Not sure completely... just think of perp takes 10 steps inside house and shots Denise inside it would leave evidence ..,

Dunno

 

[OhThatVictoria]

Note: No doors or exit / entry on back side of the main floor.

On lower floor in my edited version ...
Blue = Garage
Yellow = Possible door ? Hard to tell with the trees but looks to be a possible small patio area
Red = "Basement" Could be finished or unfinished but would be enough area to house a family room and/or bedroom

This is very helpful. I can see how there are two sidedoors, one for the garage and one for the basement entrance. There might even be a municipal building code that requires exits.

Off topic, looks like the home needs a new roof. Maybe another reason for all of the overtime JC was working . . .

 

[OhThatVictoria]

I'm hunting for any records that indicate number of bedrooms or total finished square feet. A dream find would be a floor plan of the home.

Barron County probably has the building records (for tax purposes). Inspectors are scheduled for certain years to go through a house. On one of the threads there was before/after of remodeling, not sure if it was just outdoor cosmetic or more intensive. I didn’t note any significant difference when I looked at the photos.

 

[bellyup]

I also went back and looked for the quote from sheriff F that indicated that Jayme was in the house at the time of the murders.

“We believe Jayme was in the home at the time of the homicides, and we believe she is still in danger,” adds Sheriff Fitzgerald.

We've speculated that Jayme was possibly heard on the 911 call and that is why sheriff F believed Jayme was in the home.

But what if he simply said this or believed this because there is no where else Jayme was or could have been. I know in the radio interview he said it look them a bit for the Amber alert because they had to determine that Jayme wasn't with family or a friends house.

I have to admit I'm high key hoping that Jayme wasn't there when her parents were killed. That she was removed or lured out the back before it happened. Maybe Jayme was taking Molly out that back door and boom ... gone.

It also would loosen the timeline. It could mean that Jayme was removed by the perp or an accomplice and THEN the shooting spree against the parents. It would eliminate having to accomplish a kidnapping after the 911 call in a 4-minute time frame.

It could also explain a lack of evidence in the home if the perp never really had to enter or only had to take a couple of steps inside of the front door to eliminate Denise.

 

[Mistermagoo]

So in thinking about "how there are no footprints" I came to a bit of an interesting possible thing to spur new theories.

First: I owned a home eerily similar to this one. Facing the same direction with similar canopy in a similar climate.

So drawing on that knowledge, I think dry conditions, hard packed earth (driveway) , leaf cover and potentially a carpeted home would eliminate the high probability of foot prints in the front of the house.

So then I started to consider entry or exit from the back of the house and was looking aerial views. It seemed unlikely to me that anyone used the back doors in this crime because there is a higher likelihood of yielding prints / being wet in the back of the house. There’s more cover via canopy and block from the afternoon sun which is what would dry an area out.

HOWEVER ... I hadn't realized prior that there is no back exit on the main floor of the home. The only doors are on the lower level of the home where the garages are. From the aerial view I also notice that there is a "basement" behind the garages on those lower levels as indicated by windows. There's a possibility that this was finished as a family room or ... possibly a kids/teen bedroom.

Which COULD put Jayme on the lower level. That opens the door to a lot more possibilities in how Jayme was removed and when.

It also most likely eliminates the idea of a perp at the front door exiting through the back door or any idea that two perps attacked at the same moment (at least on the same floor).

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Kyle+Jaenke+Annis+Complaint.pdf

Bottom of page 2, top of page 3 kind of gives a picture of where Jayme's room is from Kyle Jaenke entering through the patio door on east side of home.

 

[Jazzy5980]

As I said, I didn't mean to be offensive at all. I really thought that "fling" had another meaning and when I checked the dictionary I was speechless. Could we please drop it? I feel really stupid because of my mistake.

No problem!! I’m sorry I did not see your post before responding yesterday and for some reason couldn’t delete it. Again, I’m sorry.

 

[Jazzy5980]

Note: No doors or exit / entry on back side of the main floor.

On lower floor in my edited version ...
Blue = Garage
Yellow = Possible door ? Hard to tell with the trees but looks to be a possible small patio area
Red = "Basement" Could be finished or unfinished but would be enough area to house a family room and/or bedroom

Really appreciate your insight and ideas!

 

[MsBetsy]

I also went back and looked for the quote from sheriff F that indicated that Jayme was in the house at the time of the murders.

“We believe Jayme was in the home at the time of the homicides, and we believe she is still in danger,” adds Sheriff Fitzgerald.

We've speculated that Jayme was possibly heard on the 911 call and that is why sheriff F believed Jayme was in the home.

But what if he simply said this or believed this because there is no where else Jayme was or could have been. I know in the radio interview he said it look them a bit for the Amber alert because they had to determine that Jayme wasn't with family or a friends house.

I have to admit I'm high key hoping that Jayme wasn't there when her parents were killed. That she was removed or lured out the back before it happened. Maybe Jayme was taking Molly out that back door and boom ... gone.

It also would loosen the timeline. It could mean that Jayme was removed by the perp or an accomplice and THEN the shooting spree against the parents. It would eliminate having to accomplish a kidnapping after the 911 call in a 4-minute time frame.

It could also explain a lack of evidence in the home if the perp never really had to enter or only had to take a couple of steps inside of the front door to eliminate Denise.

I think LE is pretty confident that she was in the home when her parents were murdered. The sheriff specifically said they know this partly because of what was on the 911 call and other evidence at the scene.
It was not just that they had to be sure Jayme was not somewhere else that the Amber Alert was delayed, they had to meet the requirements. There was no car description or even a description of what she was wearing.
She most likely was asleep at the start of the attack. Her phone was charging in the kitchen, so I don't see any reason why she would be awake at that hour. It was a school night.
I think the lack of evidence is likely due to the fact that the killer was in and out very quickly, as Fitzgerald indicated in his interview. Imo

 

[bellyup]

Deleted for wrong information .. may repost. I found another image.

 

[bellyup]

I think LE is pretty confident that she was in the home when her parents were murdered. The sheriff specifically said they know this partly because of what was on the 911 call and other evidence at the scene.
It was not just that they had to be sure Jayme was not somewhere else that the Amber Alert was delayed, they had to meet the requirements. There was no car description or even a description of what she was wearing.Imo

Do you have a quote or link that indicates the sheriff believed she was in the home based on hearing Jayme on the 911 call? Because I've seen /heard nothing like that. He's been incredibly tight lipped about what was heard on the 911 call and I haven't heard any indication AT ALL of WHO was heard.

He also clearly states in the radio interview that a reason for the delay in the amber alert was determining that Jayme wasn't elsewhere (friends / families house) and yes that they had no car description.

If she WAS heard on the 911 call there would be no reason to have to eliminate the possibility that she was elsewhere.

 

[Rubiconbob]

I also went back and looked for the quote from sheriff F that indicated that Jayme was in the house at the time of the murders.

“We believe Jayme was in the home at the time of the homicides, and we believe she is still in danger,” adds Sheriff Fitzgerald.

We've speculated that Jayme was possibly heard on the 911 call and that is why sheriff F believed Jayme was in the home.

But what if he simply said this or believed this because there is no where else Jayme was or could have been. I know in the radio interview he said it look them a bit for the Amber alert because they had to determine that Jayme wasn't with family or a friends house.

I have to admit I'm high key hoping that Jayme wasn't there when her parents were killed. That she was removed or lured out the back before it happened. Maybe Jayme was taking Molly out that back door and boom ... gone.

It also would loosen the timeline. It could mean that Jayme was removed by the perp or an accomplice and THEN the shooting spree against the parents. It would eliminate having to accomplish a kidnapping after the 911 call in a 4-minute time frame.

It could also explain a lack of evidence in the home if the perp never really had to enter or only had to take a couple of steps inside of the front door to eliminate Denise.

I think a lot of that is plausible... would need to see floor plan... confirm jaymes room. I still don’t know why sherif f says we believe jayme was home at time if the murders ...why not just say she was there at time of murders ?? Was she heard on 911 tape...??

Had to be 2 voices yelling... either jayme left bloody palm print / bloody shoe print/ or on 911 call .. why the hesitation to commit to she was there ?? Can’t see reason to say we believe and leave room...???

 

[Mistermagoo]

Quote "The defendant stated that when he arrived at the residence he walked around the outside of the property, checked the door, and noticed that the patio door on the east side of the residence was unlocked. The defendant walked in and immediately located a room off to the right that he believed belonged to Jayme Closs. The defendant stated that, while he was in Jaymes room he located a closet full of clothes " .......

This seems to indicate to me that Jayme's room was absolutely on the lower floor AND that there was a patio door off of the east side of the house on the lower level. Topography and elevation would make it impossible that the patio door Kyle Jaenke used was on the main floor.

Also... thank you for this!

We know that the patio door is where the deck is

 

[MsBetsy]

Has there been any new information or statements from LE in the past week? I'm still trying to catch up. Has LE indicated that there is more than one perp involved? I noticed several references to there being more than one and just wondered if this was supported by a source or is just speculation.
From what I can tell there seems to be no new leads, and it's looking pretty hopeless at this point. Poor Jayme. Its not likely she will be found alive.

Any news on the two cars? Were there any more drivers that came forward or are they still not accounted for?

 

[1987]

Has there been any new information or statements from LE in the past week? I'm still trying to catch up. Has LE indicated that there is more than one perp involved? I noticed several references to there being more than one and just wondered if this was supported by a source or is just speculation.
From what I can tell there seems to be no new leads, and it's looking pretty hopeless at this point. Poor Jayme. Its not likely she will be found alive.

Any news on the two cars? Were there any more drivers that came forward or are they still not accounted for?

everything is still the same as a week ago. family done a interview is all that I know of that is new and fact.