Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #78

[simplemind]

Is she an attorney?

I don't think so but she is well versed in US criminal law as she used to host a legal program I believe.

 

[Bertha96]

You don't have to have a lawyer on retainer for privilege to apply. I can go to 5 free consults with 5 different lawyers, retain none of them and what I say is still privileged.

Also, if I commit a crime today and am arrested and retain a lawyer on Monday, how is she supposed to represent me if I can't even discuss the crime with her since it happened prior to Monday? It's the communication that is privileged, at the time it is conveyed, irrespective of the time the events occurred.

I'm not sure if that is the case in all states. While going thru a divorce, my ex husband happened to schedule a consultation with one of my parent's attorneys. I was livid and when I spoke to the attorney he told me that none of what they spoke about is privileged if the attorney is not retained (paid by the client) for services.

 

[NuttMegg]

The parents finding of BL could absolutely just be coincidence. But it makes you wonder did they find him that first night and talk to him out there 9/13? Did he have a camp set up there? Did they return to the same spot the next day? sbm

Pretty sure that the father found him that night. Alive. IMO

 

[Jurisprudence]

This may have already been discussed as I’m a thread behind.
Remember when SB announced on September 20 that he would hold a press conference the following day in New York?
Here is just one of the reporters who tweeted about it, with his official announcement on letterhead attached, talking about press set-up.

At 11:37 am

https://twitter.com/gaillevyontv/status/1440007341513007109?s=21
BrianLaundrie’s lawyer just told me there will be a press conference in NY tomorrow.


At 8:26 pm same day September 20

https://twitter.com/gaillevyontv/status/1440140249208745989?s=12
LAUNDRIE’S LAWYER CANCELED THE PRESS CONFERENCE! He just texted me:

“As per my conversation with the FBI this evening there will be no press conference tomorrow.”

what do y’all think SB was going to say ? What did FBI do or say to change his mind?

This was strange. Like yeah, what would he say when he was asked 'Did you know where she was?'" He could have really been on the hot seat and accidentally slipped up. It might have just been a cost benefit analysis with the cost, or risk, being far too high. MOO

 

[sarahboirin]

Pretty sure that the father found him that night. Alive. IMO

I agree, in the area where they found the bag moo

 

[514Caledonia]

Bringing forward @BCSleuth 's post from the previous closed thread.

Yeah, except SB has now walked back "grieving" and said he misspoke.

source: https://twitter.com/mikerreports/status/1451701213238530050
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Yeah, he (air quotes with my fingers) "misspoke" all right. More like a slip of the tongue if you ask me. He only said he "misspoke" because that was important information he was NOT supposed to say. I would think lawyers would be more careful about what they say, especially in recorded interviews with the media. He should have stuck with text only IMHO. He could easily correct that before posting for all to see. Hard to take back words said in a video. We all heard and saw ya say it!!!

Grieving means great sorrow. This does not exclusively mean death. Everyone in both families are suffering. What more does the public want? Almost anyone who has a son or daughter loves that child no matter what. If you don't get that, I cannot convince you. Everyone wanted to crucify BL. He did it to himself. Time for letting the families heal and letting LE do what they have to do. I think going for the throat or going for blood says more about the public and what they want over what BL did.

 

[kittythehare]

Any chance SB is throwing the pasta on the wall to see what sticks and kind of “force” a looks ie at the other players hands??? Is he doing this to see what real evidence is out there?
This tactic seems to have worked before. The first claim was BL left for his hike on the 14th and the Ls picked up the mustang from the reserve on the 16th, only after the ticket was dated the 14th and BE showed video of the car on the 15th night, did those original dates change to the 13th and 15th respectively…..MOOOOO

I think it's tactical, for sure.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Cady you just made me think of something. Last night on Banfield after railing at the whole world, he softened completely when talking about LE—“I don’t blame them, & you shouldn’t blame them.” That took me off guard—his change of tone, for one thing, & also that he harbours no hard feelings at all? He’s not mad for example that FBI didn’t convey to NPPD that he told them BL was missing? Or that they dispute so many of his public statements? I didn’t know what to make of it but now based on what you say I wonder if in his junket he’s trying to ingratiate himself to LE if he feels he or the family face any exposure? JMO

Very good point that further bolsters the proposition that he mentioned it (if at all) in passing, just to have something on the record to cover "himself." Not mad that it wasn't conveyed because it was never actually "reported." MOO

 

[cady]

You don't have to have a lawyer on retainer for privilege to apply. I can go to 5 free consults with 5 different lawyers, retain none of them and what I say is still privileged.

Also, if I commit a crime today and am arrested and retain a lawyer on Monday, how is she supposed to represent me if I can't even discuss the crime with her since it happened prior to Monday? It's the communication that is privileged, at the time it is conveyed, irrespective of the time the events occurred.

I hear you, but Banfield was curious as to his representation of all 3 of them as clients..there is a marital exception to having your spouse in the room, but not your son. He can have conversations with R&C but not RC&B in the same conversation to be privileged. He would have to talk to B separately as his client. That's why AB wanted to know if they all Zoomed together and who was in the room when they were zooming. jmo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have looked at a lot of maps, read through all the official documents including the search warrant, arrest warrant, FBI posters, and statements. I have watched all the interviews and was present online during pivotal moments. I have heard the discrepancies, heard the clarifications, and considered the "experts'," news anchors', and WS members' views.

Taking all the information I have gathered into context, IMO, the overall big picture is not complicated nor convoluted. There are holes in public knowledge, obviously, which is to be expected, but I do not feel it is necessary to have to force pieces to fit. I also do not think every word out of SB's mouth is a lie. I think he makes mistakes, corrects them, and would not put himself on the line by lying in regards to things the FBI could turn around and refute him on. Taken at face value, the compilation of facts seem to speak for themselves. JMO.

But I feel nearly alone in this assessment.

You are definitely not alone.

To some degree, we have all lost the "bad guy", so SB has had to be the replacement.

But WS is a forum that so very often leads up to and goes through a trial.
And we have seen defense lawyers "force pieces to fit" and distort "the compilations of facts", so as to end up establishing reasonable doubt for very very guilty defendants!

So I think we are analyze every piece of the puzzle, even if they seem to fit together just fine.

 

[Luna20]

Re a refutation of parental knowledge: As BL's actions have been absolutely self-serving through the entire timeline I would be shocked if anything like that was expressed in his notebooks. If anything is written in there pertaining to this tragedy I would expect a story that paints him as innocent victim who either was abandoned, couldn't locate her, or stumbled upon her body and panicked. I'm not holding my breath that the unvarnished truth is in there.

I don’t expect a confession either but if it is I don’t think his parents would ever admit it. Based on their actions thus far I don’t see that happening.

 

[Jurisprudence]

It is a crime if he told the FBI one thing and is now saying another.

Yes. Absolutely. A big one. But, I don't think he's that reckless. MOO

 

[Truth Prevails]

I know this has already been posted many times - just planting it here on the first page for reference.

OCT 22, 2021
Bertolino & Banfield: Ashleigh sits down one-on-one with the Laundries' attorney | Banfield

Thank you for posting this. Or re-posting it--I hadn't seen it.

I think Banfield rocked that. She was prepared. Good for her.

I don't think he'll be back on Monday.

 

[TTF14]

Pretty sure that the father found him that night. Alive. IMO

That's interesting. I hadn't considered that. Then what might have happened after that?

 

[LietKynes]

yes it is pretty straightforward.

I have felt this since the beginning. If only one or two decisions had been made differently, we might have had a case of manslaughter, and all of this hatred, vitrol and speculation would not have been fueled by social media.

All six parents deserve our respect of privacy.

Brian screwed up big time and should have paid the price, but he was not an evil person.


""As an alternative to the heat of passion standard, some jurisdictions apply the standard of extreme emotional disturbance. The Model Penal Code (section 210.3) states that a murder is downgraded to manslaughter when it was "committed under the influence of extreme mental or emotional disturbance for which there is reasonable explanation or excuse." ""

Crime of Passion

bbm
First bolded : Indeed.
SM: That is where the hate and vitriol may be, but it's not at all happening here at WS.
Speculation about changing timelines and possible or intentional muddying of the waters, yes.
Speculation about why the dates from the lawyer keep shifting ?
Speculation about how the parents were able to succeed and find Brian's belongings which ultimately led to finding his remains -- when LE and the combined forces including the fbi were unable to do so ?
Etc.
Yes, there are questions, and there should be.

Second bolded : I respectfully disagree.
Strangulation can take up to five minutes and there was time to change his mind and let Gabby go.
That is not only evil it's a monstrous act to inflict on another person, especially a young innocent lady he had once planned to marry and said that he loved.
The worst betrayal imaginable.
Gabby and her family are the only victims in this case.
No one else was murdered.
Imo.

 

[NuttMegg]

DBM

Well I think the father found him alive, and maybe by the time BL had spent a few hours alone in the wilderness he was easier to talk down.

Probably the father took him someplace else, leaving the mustang for a red herring,

Or maybe BL convinced him that he would travel on the next day by himself and not do anything drastic.

I really think the parents thought he was OK for that whole month, as I mentioned before they were just too nonchalant and seemingly unworried. Then, something happened the day of the shopping outing, where I think they may have expected some contact, they didn't get it, they were shaken up, and scheduled the search for 7 am the very next day, going to the place his father had found him that night. All in my opinion.

 

[Luna20]

Respectfully snipped by me for space.

What I don't understand is why he keeps doing these interviews. He has no obligation to do so. I posted before, all he had to do since BL's remains were found was to say that his clients are devastated at their son's death and no further statements will be forthcoming from the family at this time and please respect their privacy.

Yet he doesn't. Even worse, he goes out and muddies the waters further and makes his clients look worse in the public eye.

Why? I can't think of any reason. It just doesn't make sense.

Edited to add: and why is he so combative? How is that helping?

Agree and my thoughts are that he is enjoying the limelight to the degree that his professional judgment is off.

 

[cottonweaver]

I disagree with this (respectfully). It's not the end of the story IMO. There is still an active open investigation. Additionally, if there were other persons who violated any laws in this matter, they must be held to account. No American should want it any other way. We want to live in a society where the rule of law is followed. Whether it is the case or not that anyone was involved in any wrongdoing still remains to be seen. We do not know. But, it must be determined, MOO.

BTW do you hold public Inquests or equivalent in the US?

Even if Bertolino & the parents didn't exist, we'd still hold an Inquest over BL's death, here in the UK ( & many other Euro countries) we wouldn't just be waiting on the will of any LE agency

 

[Jurisprudence]

And possibly, the killer's parents and their lawyer. jmo

I think he messed up. I really do. I think he made an accidental slip up forgetting that Gabby wasn't found until after this date. He has slipped up on things like this a million times and he keeps having to walk stuff back. And, then when he gets questioned on his walk-backs, he gets angry. I have a solution for this: STOP TALKING.

All JMO.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Why would you say that? Guilty people hire attorneys all the time. SB has nothing to worry about and has not committed any crime. In fact, cases where an attorney represents someone who is guilty is not the exception, but rather the rule. SB has already stated that he does not know if BL killed Gabby. Whatever story BL told him is client-attorney privilege and SB doesn't have to reveal that to anyone. Worst case scenario, the notebook contains a confession which will explain what happened and why. SB has nothing to fear from that. There is no murder indictment for BL much less a plea that SB had to file with the court. With luck Gabby's remains had physical evidence that will prove who killed her. Then the case is over.

Not for himself. For his clients, RL and ChL, if BL made statements in the notebook that incriminate them in some way and become public.