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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #7

    I don't know if you followed the Tiffany Tehan thread but it's a mom that was by all accounts a loving, upstanding person that just up and left her husband and 1 yr old baby girl and traveled with a man to Florida with no notice to anyone. I don't think we can ever say that someone would never...
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #7

    It was from the flyer that RS has on his website: http://www.robbsimmons.com/Flyer.pdf I agree that it seems a little heavy for an 8 yr old child that's listed as 4'8".
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #7

    I should know better than to be specific without looking up the facts. Any door that opens outward or upward would be difficult/impossible to open with a significant amount of water pressure on the outside. I don't know what the effect would be on a sliding door but still believe the doors were...
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #7

    I don't think she'd be able to open the front doors if the water level was high enough to sweep away a 100 lb child. I think the water level rose, one or the other woke up, they exited the van in water that was 1-2 feet deep, one or both got disoriented and ended up in deeper water and they drowned.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #7

    The cleanup was on the Pacific coast, about 200 miles (by water) at it's closest point, from where the van was found. This is the main site: http://www.coastsavers.org/washington.html and these are the volunteer instructions: http://www.coastsavers.org/washington_coast_cleanup/sooes.html...
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    John Gardner Pleads Guilty to Murders of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King

    No, the agreement was that the information that Gardner lead LE to Amber's body would not be used against him in court. They could use any evidence gathered at the scene. No agreements were made regarding Chelsea King.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #6

    She could have turned back at any time to retrieve the cell phone if she considered it vital. I forget mine all the time, sometimes I come home and retrieve it but other times I'm "off the grid" :) It was a 2.5 hr drive and an overnight, not a big deal for most people.
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    CO CO - Kayleah Wilson, 12, Greeley, 28 March 2010 - #3

    The comment was likely to the author of the article that was linked in the post, not you. You weren't quoted, the post just happened to fall directly under yours.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #6

    An equally plausible theory is that no comment or identification was made on the items because they are just the typical stuff found in a car.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #6

    As far as I know the items were not identified as as crack pipes or other drug paraphernalia by LE.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #6

    FWIW "In June 2005, someone reported the boy had suffered serious physical abuse, according to Sherry Hill, a spokeswoman for the agency. Smiley's ex-boyfriend was arrested for assault but never prosecuted. After its investigation, CPS could not determine who had committed the abuse...
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #6

    The info came from a video interview with Detective Mealy. It's possible he made a mistake but it's not irresponsible reporting. I'll post the link when I find it again.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #6

    It would never occur to me that the term "activated the alarm" would mean anything other than one turned the alarm system on to detect an intrusion. In many parts of the country homeowners are required to register alarms and pay fines for false alarms. Hitting the panic button because of a...
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    CO CO - Kayleah Wilson, 12, Greeley, 28 March 2010 - #3

    Greeley, CO is only 20 mi off of I-25, the route presumably traveled by 22 yr old Jesse E. Calhoun and possibly 69 yr old Barry E. Calhoun, on their way to pick up "runaway" Tiffany Garcia-Barnett (found "safe"). Could they have made this (long) trip in March as well?
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    CO CO - Kayleah Wilson, 12, Greeley, 28 March 2010 - #3

    "Suspect Arrested For Enticement Of A Child... Larimer County Sheriff&#8217;s Investigators arrested <snip> of Lyons, Colorado on Monday, December 13, 2004, for Enticement of a Child, a class 3 Felony... Other charges are pending... " http://www.stormmountain.net/1215thru1222.htm scroll to...
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #6

    In CA clerks always put alcohol in a paper or plastic bag. I thought it was a law but I could be mistaken. I haven't seen that reported from a reputable news source.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #5

    There's a huge variation in alcoholic drinking habits. The alcoholics I know didn't conform to this stereotype; wine was left in bottles, beer in the fridge, JD in the bottle and money in the wallet when they left the bar. I don't think she set out to harm Azriel but I do think she made the...
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    CO CO - Kayleah Wilson, 12, Greeley, 28 March 2010 - #1

    I really wish it hadn't taken 5 days to get those pictures out to the public. In the same situation my instinct would be to give LE a school or other official photo but in actuality on any given day kids are more likely to look more like they do in a casual snapshot than a school portrait.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #5

    It's equivalent to an entire regular sized bottle of wine (5 servings), more than enough to make someone (not everyone) drunk. At the time the wine was purchased she had taken over 3 hours to drive 60 miles which indicates to me that something was wrong well before 8 pm.
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    WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #5

    It's not a river, it's a sound (deep inlet). It has substantial tidal currents but nothing like a rushing river. The floor on a minivan is usually less than 1 foot from the ground. No one knows how deep it was when they exited the van but my thought is there would have been substantial water and...

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