I doubt it.
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CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #64
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That’s my vibe too …Judge R said something like he knows jury is very astute.
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Such a silly question, but I do wonder if Julio is still in the gallery supporting her? You know, the churro BF of Mimi & Pin.
Looking forward to Det Kimball returning to the stand tomorrow and wondering if we will hear any new news like the smoke from the chimney.
Too bad his testimony was broken up with a three day break, but glad they ended with his testimony on the jurors minds for the long break.
Too bad his testimony was broken up with a three day break, but glad they ended with his testimony on the jurors minds for the long break.
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I can't believe the amount of people that think she's inocente. I wonder this also.
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I wondered the same
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Thinking the memory expert going to try convince jury that their own memories about the evidence can’t be trusted. Try convince them they can’t rely on own memories & judgement.
Sounds like an Expert Gaslighter to me.
I actually drove down the Thurton Drive cul du sac again today and it’s as haunting to see the back of the large Welles Lane house so close though those woods as it was years ago when this article was published. Not hearing a black Suburban being observed there in any of the evidence today ….so was this even a credible report then?One of the articles about 2015 suburban in new canaan
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The Suburban was caught on video parked on Thurton Drive, a quiet cul de sac less than a half-mile long with many new large affluent homes and expansive lawns. The back of the Welles Lane home where Jennifer Dulos lived can be seen through the trees from the wide turn-around at the end of the road.
According to residents in the area, the Federal Bureau of Investigation was in the neighborhood four times to discuss the Suburban and local police were also there twice.
One woman, who did not want to be identified, said New Canaan Police visited her home twice in the days following the incident. She said police originally asked for security footage from 7 p.m. May 23 through the following evening, and then they returned and asked for all of her available footage
Testimony shows evidence seized from Fotis Dulos' vehicles, properties in days after Jennifer's disappearance | Troconis trial
Jurors listened to testimony surrounding the properties and vehicles linked to Jennifer's disappearance.www.fox61.com
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Yes that’s what I think. There is a pic of him driving the red tacoma on the Merritt Pky and you can clearly see a bicycle wheel in the bed of the truck.
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Why am I now reminded of the scene from The Rocky Horror Picture Show with Tim Curry and ‘a toast’?
Back in the day we used to go watch that show in a local theatre. And a live troupe of costumed students would do the on-stage renderings while it played. People would throw toast during that scene; toss buckets of water when it rained; and ‘hiss’ I believe when Susan Sarandon’s character would appear. Always needed an umbrella, raincoat, or a newspaper hat. Ah, the days, but I digress.
Hoping for a good couple of days and close for the prosecution. MOO
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That's a great solution for this courtroom! If the State requests Mama A to move to the back of the courtroom, she pretty much couldn't interact with the jury. If she's moved to the 2nd row, she's still in full view. As for the State side gallery blowing kisses to LE, I would say that 99.99% didn't happen. The only shot of that happening would probably have been me, and I didn't do it. Everyone who sits on the State side is dignified and maintains their composure at all times from what I've seen. There are brief greetings amongst the friends at times and that's about it.
Who else will not be watching on the days of the defense experts? It’s a sham, and there’s nothing they can do in my opinion to put any reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. They are simply coming up with theories, not concrete facts of actions. We have the concrete facts already, and nothing the experts do or say can change the facts. Michelle was responsible for her actions, and that’s all we care about. Distractions and diversions won’t work.
I see it as the EQUIVALENT of calling a psychic to testify.
I see it as the EQUIVALENT of calling a psychic to testify.
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I posted some thoughts a few days ago about what a hypothetical juror might be thinking at this point. Similar to the am phone data, I stripped away some cumulative evidence about the car madness (like the video of the vehicles traveling to and fro via Eli) to see if I could see if I could understand the timeline better.
Leg 1
1:36 pm Jeep arrives at MS (presumably driven by MT); followed by Black Suburban (presumably driven by FD) arriving just 1 minute later
1:41 pm Just 5 minutes later, the Jeep leaves MS and is heading back to JC.
MT presumably drives the Jeep from JC to MS (right after she and FD have a fast (or imaginary) lunch, as they do on the regular at JC).
The “lunch” is of investigative interest to LE “What did you guys talk about over lunch? Did Jennifer come up?” Ouch - LE lands that whopper on MT during interview 3. It’s clear LE knows there was no lunch or meaningless chit chat because there is no gap between the first outgoing call from FD phone #1 from JC at 1:19 pm; and the tandem Jeep and Suburban arrival at MS at 1:36 pm. That is 7 minutes for lunch at JC and driving time to MS.
LE knows that interjecting Jennifer abruptly into MT’s happy, regular socialite-pond-day timeline during interview 3 will throw her off her innocent explanation game because Jennifer certainly “came up” that day as between her and FD; LE knows it, and she knows they know it - but she lies in spite of that. Her lunch story has zero credibility as she piles lies on top of the “phone manipulation” lies from earlier in her timeline/story.
Reasonable inference: The jury may disregard everything she says in all 3 interviews if they do not find her credible. They don’t require video proof of her not cleaning or not eating lunch like she claims. She is not credible, her story is not credible. It’s contradicted by mountains of electronic evidence. And lying about incriminating activities that relate to a murder are evidence of consciousness of guilt.
Leg 2
1:58 pm Jeep leaving JC
2:01 pm Jeep turns into MS
The Jeep only stays at MS for 5 minutes before heading back to JC at 1:41 pm.
By 1:58 pm, the Jeep is already on its way back again to MS; it arrives at MS at 2:01 pm. This is about a 17 minute turn around between MS to JC and back to MS (1:41 pm - 2:01 pm)
** We don’t know if MT, FD, or both, and/or a third party are in the Jeep on Leg 1; nor do we know if someone stayed at JC when the Jeep went back to MS on Leg 2. Maybe it’s resolved by tower pings - but I can’t figure it out.
There is a another big problem with her timeline that she stumbles through it in interview 3. She says right after they “had lunch”, FD went to MS and she stayed behind, and that FD called her from MS and asked her to bring cleaning supplies at 1:53 pm.
LE “Why did FD call you and tell you to bring cleaning supplies? Weren’t you guys just together for lunch before you went to MS?”
She really can’t answer this (which is why LE asks the question); they likely gathered the cleaning supplies together (in place of lunch), but she adamantly sticks to her version that she didn’t know she had to clean the MS house until FD called her from the MS house at 1:53 pm.
LE busts her again, and tells her they have video of them arriving together to MS, her ahead of FD no less, at 1:36 pm which is before she claims he called her at 1:53 pm from MS to request cleaning supplies. Oops.
So she pivots to the vacuum cleaner/ broom switch story to clean up that proverbial mess.
Going back for the vacuum could be one tiny slither of truth that helps her with the overall lie, like dropping her daughter off at school. But it’s not enough to support her explanation of why they were cleaning in the first place. Why she is so confused about when she was asked to gather cleaning supplies (when she recalls the color of the rugs she is trying to sell the same day). She isn’t a cleaner; the house is new, items were tossed out across town that match things she brought over to MS clean with. It just isn’t believable. And it’s being refuted in part by LE in front of her and she doesn’t come clean and continues lying.
Reasonable inference - Conspicuous cleaning projects, out of left field, and way out of character for the entitled people that she and FD are/were, on the very afternoon of the morning where the women with which both MT and FD demonstrated extreme animus towards in the weeks leading up to the day of Jennifer going missing is just not innocent or coincidental. Cleaning projects mixed in with a murder timeline are ginormous red flags, not alibis. If I’m a juror, I’m laughing at D’s attempt to paint the cleaning as unrelated to the disappearance - especially where the red Tacoma, seen earlier going to the victims home in NC and back, is randomly parked at the property where the house cleaning will occur. BS!
Leg 3
2:25 pm Jeep leaves MS in direction of 4JC
3:25 pm Smoke
3:56 pm Jeep arrives back MS
24 minutes later, at 2:25 pm, the Jeep again leaves MS and drives back to JC for the third time in under 1 hour. Who does this?
Then for about the next hour and 1/2, neither the Jeep nor Suburban go anywhere. This isn’t the vacuum run because the Jeep/MT didn’t go back to MS right away. It’s most logical that MT drove the Jeep and stayed at JC; and FD stayed with the Suburban at MS, making MT the most likely person to be alone at JC (with all the many fireplaces).
But worse (if it can get worse for her) there is a FIRE at 3:25 pm that produces SMOKE at JC while the Jeep (and she) are at JC. And having a cozy fire, or fires, did not make her alibi script, nor did she mentioned the fires in any of her interviews (and the smoke evidence was probably held back by LE and the State to discredit MT’s stories at trial in front of Jury).
Reasonable inference - None of the day’s events are random or not connected. By the time we get to the first smoke event 1) the State has proven she lied about manipulating FD’s phone because the phone was their alibi, and it was her job not to mess that; 2) she was very defensive about her lunch story and wouldn’t back off of it when presented with contradictory facts by LE; 3) cleaning with bleach, green and yellow sponges, 10 rolls of paper towels, and black trash bags aren’t alibis where you are a suspect in a murder case that happened on the same day; 4) the frantic round trips and musical cars are in and of themselves suspicious; AND THEN 5) SMOKE.
But we aren’t done yet! Not even close.
Leg 4
4:03 pm Black Suburban leaves MS
4:23 pm Black Suburban arrives back at MS
The Jeep goes back to MS after the first smoke event. Immediately the Suburban makes a 20 minute turn around trip from MC to JC and back while the Jeep stays at MS.
Note that the Suburban has remained at MS for several hours 1:41 pm - 4:03 pm before Leg 4. The Jeep and Suburban overlap at MS for about 35 minutes of Leg 4 (3:56 pm - 4:23 pm).
This is the 4th turn around trip between the Jeep and Suburban from MS to JC and back to MS. I find it strange that the Jeep and Suburban are playing tag. It’s as if when one arrives, the other leaves. I shudder to think how much of the crime happened at MS. Did he kidnap her from NC, and like he used a car that didn’t belong to him to go to NC, he used a house that didn’t belong to him, thinking he is throwing off LE?
MT tells law enforcement that she was the driver of the Suburban on this particular round trip. She said she had to take the Suburban because it was blocking the Jeep. This makes zero sense, since the Jeep last arrived at MS while the Suburban was already parked. If anything, the Jeep was blocking the Suburban. As they say - last in, first out, (or LIFO in accounting terms).
Meanwhile - what is so important about a 4th, 20 minute round trip that motivates you to take a different vehicle and make up a nonsensical story about why you took that vehicle? And she has already fully exhausted the cleaning and the vacuum excuses, so what is this Leg about? Maybe she took FD’s phone back to JC to charge his phone she posits? LE “I don’t know; I wasn’t there; you were.”
Reasonable inference - MT’s timeline and story is tied so closely to FD’s movements that her “innocent explanations” stick out like sore thumbs. They are what they are - cover stories cobbled together to sit on top the murder timeline. And her tripling down on LE, goes beyond just credibility - it’s arrogance, comfort with lying and deflecting, and lack of remorse on full display. If I’m a juror, I am quite angry with MT’s obstruction.
Leg 5
4:58 pm Black Raptor comes to MS (driven by PG)
5:02 pm Black Raptor drives to 4JC (PG)
5:02 pm Jeep backs out of MS and waits
5:03 pm Suburban turns out of MS followed by Jeep to JC
5:14 pm Black Raptor goes from JC back to MS
5:23 pm Suburban returns to MS
Enter the 4th car into the mix at MS. PG arrives at MS in the Raptor at 4:58 pm - he really wants his Tacoma back, so he can bring his motorbike home.
The Tacoma has had a busy day on the 24th - an early morning round trip from MS to NC and back before “lunch”.
At 5:02 pm it appears PG makes an untimely surprises visit to MT and FD at MS. And right after her arrives at MS, the Suburban, Raptor and Jeep hastily leave for JC. The assumption is this is the trip to get the keys from JC.
The Raptor and keys return back to MS 12 minutes later. The Suburban 20 minutes later. The Jeep does not return to MS on Leg 5.
Why are the keys at JC if the Tacoma is at MS? Why would the Taceoma keys be moved to JC without the truck?
Reasonable inference- PG interrupted MT and FD readying the bags for the trash burn and dump, so they deal with the PG/key problem as quickly as possible because it is getting later in day and they have trash/evidence to get rid of.
Leg 6: Final Leg MS to JC
5:27 pm Suburban leaves MS to 4JC
5:27 pm Tacoma leaves MS presumably for Simsberry
5:28 pm Raptor goes from MS to JC
5:57 pm Tacoma going north on Deercliff with moto and plank to Simsberry where he lives.
3 cars and 3 drivers at MS @ 5:27 pm
PG heads for the hills of Simsberry with his motorbike
MT and FD take the Raptor and Suburban back to JC
More Smoke at JC
The Raptor arrived back to JC shortly after it left MS at 5:28 pm.
The Suburban is seen on the Ring camera arriving at JC shortly after it leaves MS at 5:27 pm.
5:59 pm no smoke
6:42 pm smoke
6:44 pm smoke
7:02 pm smoke
About 30 minutes after MT, FD, the Suburban and Raptor are back at JC - there are multiple smoke events lasting on and off from 6:42 pm through 7:02 pm - in May on a day warm enough for shorts.
Reasonable inference - the jury has to be calling BS. They know the trash dumps come at the end of the day per the videos shown to them earlier; so, they are watching all these video events from the afternoon of 5/24 - juxtaposed with interview 3, and her illogical and refuted stories about a nonexistent lunch, gathering of cleaning supplies/vacuum/broom, trash bags sponges and bleach, knowing these red flag activities will lead seamlessly on the State’s timeline right into evening trash bin dumping (with a quick stop at JC to use the fireplace). Holy Smokes!
Up next Starbucks….
Leg 1
1:36 pm Jeep arrives at MS (presumably driven by MT); followed by Black Suburban (presumably driven by FD) arriving just 1 minute later
1:41 pm Just 5 minutes later, the Jeep leaves MS and is heading back to JC.
MT presumably drives the Jeep from JC to MS (right after she and FD have a fast (or imaginary) lunch, as they do on the regular at JC).
The “lunch” is of investigative interest to LE “What did you guys talk about over lunch? Did Jennifer come up?” Ouch - LE lands that whopper on MT during interview 3. It’s clear LE knows there was no lunch or meaningless chit chat because there is no gap between the first outgoing call from FD phone #1 from JC at 1:19 pm; and the tandem Jeep and Suburban arrival at MS at 1:36 pm. That is 7 minutes for lunch at JC and driving time to MS.
LE knows that interjecting Jennifer abruptly into MT’s happy, regular socialite-pond-day timeline during interview 3 will throw her off her innocent explanation game because Jennifer certainly “came up” that day as between her and FD; LE knows it, and she knows they know it - but she lies in spite of that. Her lunch story has zero credibility as she piles lies on top of the “phone manipulation” lies from earlier in her timeline/story.
Reasonable inference: The jury may disregard everything she says in all 3 interviews if they do not find her credible. They don’t require video proof of her not cleaning or not eating lunch like she claims. She is not credible, her story is not credible. It’s contradicted by mountains of electronic evidence. And lying about incriminating activities that relate to a murder are evidence of consciousness of guilt.
Leg 2
1:58 pm Jeep leaving JC
2:01 pm Jeep turns into MS
The Jeep only stays at MS for 5 minutes before heading back to JC at 1:41 pm.
By 1:58 pm, the Jeep is already on its way back again to MS; it arrives at MS at 2:01 pm. This is about a 17 minute turn around between MS to JC and back to MS (1:41 pm - 2:01 pm)
** We don’t know if MT, FD, or both, and/or a third party are in the Jeep on Leg 1; nor do we know if someone stayed at JC when the Jeep went back to MS on Leg 2. Maybe it’s resolved by tower pings - but I can’t figure it out.
There is a another big problem with her timeline that she stumbles through it in interview 3. She says right after they “had lunch”, FD went to MS and she stayed behind, and that FD called her from MS and asked her to bring cleaning supplies at 1:53 pm.
LE “Why did FD call you and tell you to bring cleaning supplies? Weren’t you guys just together for lunch before you went to MS?”
She really can’t answer this (which is why LE asks the question); they likely gathered the cleaning supplies together (in place of lunch), but she adamantly sticks to her version that she didn’t know she had to clean the MS house until FD called her from the MS house at 1:53 pm.
LE busts her again, and tells her they have video of them arriving together to MS, her ahead of FD no less, at 1:36 pm which is before she claims he called her at 1:53 pm from MS to request cleaning supplies. Oops.
So she pivots to the vacuum cleaner/ broom switch story to clean up that proverbial mess.
Going back for the vacuum could be one tiny slither of truth that helps her with the overall lie, like dropping her daughter off at school. But it’s not enough to support her explanation of why they were cleaning in the first place. Why she is so confused about when she was asked to gather cleaning supplies (when she recalls the color of the rugs she is trying to sell the same day). She isn’t a cleaner; the house is new, items were tossed out across town that match things she brought over to MS clean with. It just isn’t believable. And it’s being refuted in part by LE in front of her and she doesn’t come clean and continues lying.
Reasonable inference - Conspicuous cleaning projects, out of left field, and way out of character for the entitled people that she and FD are/were, on the very afternoon of the morning where the women with which both MT and FD demonstrated extreme animus towards in the weeks leading up to the day of Jennifer going missing is just not innocent or coincidental. Cleaning projects mixed in with a murder timeline are ginormous red flags, not alibis. If I’m a juror, I’m laughing at D’s attempt to paint the cleaning as unrelated to the disappearance - especially where the red Tacoma, seen earlier going to the victims home in NC and back, is randomly parked at the property where the house cleaning will occur. BS!
Leg 3
2:25 pm Jeep leaves MS in direction of 4JC
3:25 pm Smoke
3:56 pm Jeep arrives back MS
24 minutes later, at 2:25 pm, the Jeep again leaves MS and drives back to JC for the third time in under 1 hour. Who does this?
Then for about the next hour and 1/2, neither the Jeep nor Suburban go anywhere. This isn’t the vacuum run because the Jeep/MT didn’t go back to MS right away. It’s most logical that MT drove the Jeep and stayed at JC; and FD stayed with the Suburban at MS, making MT the most likely person to be alone at JC (with all the many fireplaces).
But worse (if it can get worse for her) there is a FIRE at 3:25 pm that produces SMOKE at JC while the Jeep (and she) are at JC. And having a cozy fire, or fires, did not make her alibi script, nor did she mentioned the fires in any of her interviews (and the smoke evidence was probably held back by LE and the State to discredit MT’s stories at trial in front of Jury).
Reasonable inference - None of the day’s events are random or not connected. By the time we get to the first smoke event 1) the State has proven she lied about manipulating FD’s phone because the phone was their alibi, and it was her job not to mess that; 2) she was very defensive about her lunch story and wouldn’t back off of it when presented with contradictory facts by LE; 3) cleaning with bleach, green and yellow sponges, 10 rolls of paper towels, and black trash bags aren’t alibis where you are a suspect in a murder case that happened on the same day; 4) the frantic round trips and musical cars are in and of themselves suspicious; AND THEN 5) SMOKE.
But we aren’t done yet! Not even close.
Leg 4
4:03 pm Black Suburban leaves MS
4:23 pm Black Suburban arrives back at MS
The Jeep goes back to MS after the first smoke event. Immediately the Suburban makes a 20 minute turn around trip from MC to JC and back while the Jeep stays at MS.
Note that the Suburban has remained at MS for several hours 1:41 pm - 4:03 pm before Leg 4. The Jeep and Suburban overlap at MS for about 35 minutes of Leg 4 (3:56 pm - 4:23 pm).
This is the 4th turn around trip between the Jeep and Suburban from MS to JC and back to MS. I find it strange that the Jeep and Suburban are playing tag. It’s as if when one arrives, the other leaves. I shudder to think how much of the crime happened at MS. Did he kidnap her from NC, and like he used a car that didn’t belong to him to go to NC, he used a house that didn’t belong to him, thinking he is throwing off LE?
MT tells law enforcement that she was the driver of the Suburban on this particular round trip. She said she had to take the Suburban because it was blocking the Jeep. This makes zero sense, since the Jeep last arrived at MS while the Suburban was already parked. If anything, the Jeep was blocking the Suburban. As they say - last in, first out, (or LIFO in accounting terms).
Meanwhile - what is so important about a 4th, 20 minute round trip that motivates you to take a different vehicle and make up a nonsensical story about why you took that vehicle? And she has already fully exhausted the cleaning and the vacuum excuses, so what is this Leg about? Maybe she took FD’s phone back to JC to charge his phone she posits? LE “I don’t know; I wasn’t there; you were.”
Reasonable inference - MT’s timeline and story is tied so closely to FD’s movements that her “innocent explanations” stick out like sore thumbs. They are what they are - cover stories cobbled together to sit on top the murder timeline. And her tripling down on LE, goes beyond just credibility - it’s arrogance, comfort with lying and deflecting, and lack of remorse on full display. If I’m a juror, I am quite angry with MT’s obstruction.
Leg 5
4:58 pm Black Raptor comes to MS (driven by PG)
5:02 pm Black Raptor drives to 4JC (PG)
5:02 pm Jeep backs out of MS and waits
5:03 pm Suburban turns out of MS followed by Jeep to JC
5:14 pm Black Raptor goes from JC back to MS
5:23 pm Suburban returns to MS
Enter the 4th car into the mix at MS. PG arrives at MS in the Raptor at 4:58 pm - he really wants his Tacoma back, so he can bring his motorbike home.
The Tacoma has had a busy day on the 24th - an early morning round trip from MS to NC and back before “lunch”.
At 5:02 pm it appears PG makes an untimely surprises visit to MT and FD at MS. And right after her arrives at MS, the Suburban, Raptor and Jeep hastily leave for JC. The assumption is this is the trip to get the keys from JC.
The Raptor and keys return back to MS 12 minutes later. The Suburban 20 minutes later. The Jeep does not return to MS on Leg 5.
Why are the keys at JC if the Tacoma is at MS? Why would the Taceoma keys be moved to JC without the truck?
Reasonable inference- PG interrupted MT and FD readying the bags for the trash burn and dump, so they deal with the PG/key problem as quickly as possible because it is getting later in day and they have trash/evidence to get rid of.
Leg 6: Final Leg MS to JC
5:27 pm Suburban leaves MS to 4JC
5:27 pm Tacoma leaves MS presumably for Simsberry
5:28 pm Raptor goes from MS to JC
5:57 pm Tacoma going north on Deercliff with moto and plank to Simsberry where he lives.
3 cars and 3 drivers at MS @ 5:27 pm
PG heads for the hills of Simsberry with his motorbike
MT and FD take the Raptor and Suburban back to JC
More Smoke at JC
The Raptor arrived back to JC shortly after it left MS at 5:28 pm.
The Suburban is seen on the Ring camera arriving at JC shortly after it leaves MS at 5:27 pm.
5:59 pm no smoke
6:42 pm smoke
6:44 pm smoke
7:02 pm smoke
About 30 minutes after MT, FD, the Suburban and Raptor are back at JC - there are multiple smoke events lasting on and off from 6:42 pm through 7:02 pm - in May on a day warm enough for shorts.
Reasonable inference - the jury has to be calling BS. They know the trash dumps come at the end of the day per the videos shown to them earlier; so, they are watching all these video events from the afternoon of 5/24 - juxtaposed with interview 3, and her illogical and refuted stories about a nonexistent lunch, gathering of cleaning supplies/vacuum/broom, trash bags sponges and bleach, knowing these red flag activities will lead seamlessly on the State’s timeline right into evening trash bin dumping (with a quick stop at JC to use the fireplace). Holy Smokes!
Up next Starbucks….
Probably waiting to give her some pastel de caca or whatever filth it was MT was “eating” on the day of the murder.
Weakly holding my hand up full well knowing that I might cave. If only to hear the Pros objections and cross. If I'm strong enough may settle for the cliff notes.
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