Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #15 *ARRESTS*

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afitzy said:
Oh boy, No Case Norm. Sometimes reading these articles I wonder if Pattis has a media specialist or PR expert on his staff or payroll? Or, perhaps he thinks he is a PR maven?

This latest article looks like another pony tail/hair flip/toddler temper tantrum IMO about discovery speed etc.!

Yawn.....

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“We remain confident and we understand why the state looks at Mr. Dulos as a suspect,” Pattis said. “With the passage of every week, I think it becomes more difficult to sustain the suspicion in a responsible form. We think the state should either put up or shut up.”

Absolutely love the assumption/lack of basic logic IMO that the more time passes that it become more difficult to sustain suspicion! Really? LE is just waiting for forensic evidence results to return so just hold on to your ponytail Atty Pattis and all the discovery will be dumped into your offices in due course!

The 'put up or shut up' comment IMO is actually a classic bully phrase with its aggressive tone. Given that Atty Pattis will have to work with the State on this case its unclear how setting such a bullying tone this early in the case before discovery has really fully kicked off will serve his client well in the long run? I had hopes when listening to Pattis talk about learning lessons from his prior case with the States Atty (discussed on the AJ morning radio show with link in prior thread) that he would work on a more collaborative collegial basis. But, it looks like this ship has sailed and no lessons were learned and Atty Pattis has his shotgun out and is willing to shoot anyone in his path that doesn't do what he needs to have happen. Sad state of affairs IMO.

The Atty Pattis statement about blurry CCTV is also interesting as its unclear to me that in order to get a conviction that the Court needs crystal clear footage but that will be in the hands of the court and the jury IMO.

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"The CDs did include video of Troconis at a store in Farmington around 10 a.m. May 24, Pattis said, indicating she could not have been in New Canaan when Jennifer Dulos went missing. Pattis has called for the charges to be dropped against Troconis, who he claims can provide an alibi for his client".

This quote is curious to me as again its Atty Pattis talking about MT who is not his client and says zero about where his client FD was at 10am. For some reason Atty Pattis is spending very little time IMO actually speaking about FD who so far as we know IS HIS CLIENT. Where was FD on the 23rd and 24th Atty Pattis?


Just seems like IMO the more Atty Pattis talks the more guilty he is making his client seem or perhaps that is his goal and that a simpleton like myself simply isn't 'getting' the Pattis strategy for defending FD? I raise my hand and officially say that I don't get the Pattis strategy unless its goal is to confuse the scenario such that people actually forget that his client is FD!

MOO
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“I think it becomes more difficult to sustain the suspicion in a responsible form”. I read that sentence at least 10 times; how does anyone “sustain the suspicion” in a “responsible form”. What does that even mean, in plain English? I don’t understand the meaning of the statement. Oy vey iz mir.
 
NP behavior is similar to a reality show character than that of a professional attorney. No one seriously believes reality show drama. With a client who seems to thrive on and create continual drama, I’d say they are a perfect match. MOO
 
Gardenista said:
Ugh. I don't understand this monitoring company giving in to him.
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Monitoring companies care about getting paid $70 a week...or whatever the cost is, and it’s like any other compulsory service inside criminal justice system, it is price gouging. The accused is responsible for the fees. I wonder if acquitted, can they get court to refund the cost?
 
Rivkah11 said:
“I think it becomes more difficult to sustain the suspicion in a responsible form”. I read that sentence at least 10 times; how does anyone “sustain the suspicion” in a “responsible form”. What does that even mean, in plain English? I don’t understand the meaning of the statement. Oy vey iz mir.
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IMO the statement doesn't translate well in any language and the words taken together as a phrase mean little to nothing.

Won't even spend time parsing the words or the meaning as IMO its a waste of all of our time!

Typical Pattis Patter!
 
afitzy said:
Oh boy, No Case Norm. Sometimes reading these articles I wonder if Pattis has a media specialist or PR expert on his staff or payroll? Or, perhaps he thinks he is a PR maven?

This latest article looks like another pony tail/hair flip/toddler temper tantrum IMO about discovery speed etc.!

Yawn.....

Quote:
“We remain confident and we understand why the state looks at Mr. Dulos as a suspect,” Pattis said. “With the passage of every week, I think it becomes more difficult to sustain the suspicion in a responsible form. We think the state should either put up or shut up.”

Absolutely love the assumption/lack of basic logic IMO that the more time passes that it become more difficult to sustain suspicion! Really? LE is just waiting for forensic evidence results to return so just hold on to your ponytail Atty Pattis and all the discovery will be dumped into your offices in due course!

The 'put up or shut up' comment IMO is actually a classic bully phrase with its aggressive tone. Given that Atty Pattis will have to work with the State on this case its unclear how setting such a bullying tone this early in the case before discovery has really fully kicked off will serve his client well in the long run? I had hopes when listening to Pattis talk about learning lessons from his prior case with the States Atty (discussed on the AJ morning radio show with link in prior thread) that he would work on a more collaborative collegial basis. But, it looks like this ship has sailed and no lessons were learned and Atty Pattis has his shotgun out and is willing to shoot anyone in his path that doesn't do what he needs to have happen. Sad state of affairs IMO.

The Atty Pattis statement about blurry CCTV is also interesting as its unclear to me that in order to get a conviction that the Court needs crystal clear footage but that will be in the hands of the court and the jury IMO.

Quote:
"The CDs did include video of Troconis at a store in Farmington around 10 a.m. May 24, Pattis said, indicating she could not have been in New Canaan when Jennifer Dulos went missing. Pattis has called for the charges to be dropped against Troconis, who he claims can provide an alibi for his client".

This quote is curious to me as again its Atty Pattis talking about MT who is not his client and says zero about where his client FD was at 10am. For some reason Atty Pattis is spending very little time IMO actually speaking about FD who so far as we know IS HIS CLIENT. Where was FD on the 23rd and 24th Atty Pattis?


Just seems like IMO the more Atty Pattis talks the more guilty he is making his client seem or perhaps that is his goal and that a simpleton like myself simply isn't 'getting' the Pattis strategy for defending FD? I raise my hand and officially say that I don't get the Pattis strategy unless its goal is to confuse the scenario such that people actually forget that his client is FD!

MOO
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Just because MT was not in NC at the time of the disappearance doesn’t clear her of dumping JDs bloody belongings.
 
Rivkah11 said:
NP behavior is similar to a reality show character than that of a professional attorney. No one seriously believes reality show drama. With a client who seems to thrive on and create continual drama, I’d say they are a perfect match. MOO
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Agree with you.

But the issue might become that the entire process of defending this character/FD in the reality show being put on by Pattis is viewed quite simply as a 'joke' and not worthy of consideration and this could have unfortunate consequences IMO.

The legal system is designed the way it is for a reason and I'm baffled why Pattis seems to want to diminish the process of putting on defense of his client to the level of being perceived as a 'joke' or 'show'? Its unclear to me how given the lack of discovery how public chatter of any kind from a defense atty whose client is facing serious charges is in his clients best interests in the long run?
 
Rivkah11 said:
Just because MT was not in NC at the time of the disappearance doesn’t clear her of dumping JDs bloody belongings.
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Totally agree.

But of all the comments on the 26 CDs, I am scratching my head as to him bringing up MT in Farmington at 10 am? Does he think that people are stupid enough to believe that just because MT was in Farmington at 10 am that some wacky inference can be drawn to say that FD was in Farmington at 10 am and that MT is well positioned to provide an alibi for FD?

These comments from Pattis are simply not worth spending time on IMO and I sincerely hope some Judge that has influence on this case can slap a gag on Pattis/all professionals associated with the case soon, as irresponsible statements such as these made to a public not closely following the case are in nobodys best interest for an eventual fair trial IMO.
 
Spyderlady said:
Very good analysis. Could anyone please refresh my memory about why such harsh conditions were imposed on FD’s visitation with his children... or where I can find that information. Was FD physically abusive to them? If so, it must have been extreme. (all I can remember is he made them water-ski but that surely is not the reason) It troubles me to think that visitation with his children was so harsh/unbearable that it would send FD over the edge and kill their mother. I’m not saying that wasn't one of the reasons. I’d just like to know exactly what made the family court judge decide he’s a menace to his children. TIA
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He demonstrated that he was unable to put the needs of his children above his own, he was alienating them and making them lie for him, which is emotional abuse, he was violating court orders issued to protect the kids, like not having them around his mistress and he lied to the court.

All of this likely allowed the judge to reexamine past allegations and provided more credibility to those allegations when they were just he said she said allegations at the outset.

Those included that he was abusive to the kids forcing them to practice in grueling trianing sessions that lasted 8-10 hours, in order to make them little stars, that his kids were scared of him, that he had one drive a car on the open highway, that he dictated to his wife where she would live and when with the kids post-separation and that she and the kids would have to share their home with MT and MT's daughter and that he could access her mother's home whenever he wanted and that he chased her and threatened to kill his wife, among others.

Earlier we had posts blaming the family law judge for not issuing harsh enough orders against FD, essentially allowing him to murder her.

Now it's that her orders were too harsh prompting him to lose it and kill his wife.

Poor judge can't win.

IMO the orders were appropriate and well reasoned under the circumstances and everything the judge has done has been centered on the best interests of the kids.

To me it's clear this man murdered his wife. He's a murderer. And it was calculated, cold and evilly planned well in advance, IMO. He had no legitimate reason to be at her house the day she disappeared. I don't think they were even supposed to communicate directly.

The only ones to blame for this are the ones who murdered Jennifer and any accomplices. Not the family court.
 
Gardenista said:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

JUST IN: Attorney Norm Pattis has released a statement in response to Judge Heller’s decision yesterday.

“Fotis misses his children deeply. The irresponsible manner in which the state has proceeded against him is costing his children the chance for a real relationship with a man who loves them deeply. This is a travesty of justice. We are evaluating his appellate options.”

Marissa Alter
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With all of these needless filings NP is going to run through every last bit of FD's retirement funds and spare money before the criminal trial begins.
 
Southernsnooper said:
ITA! FD is such a moron to think NP is actually helping him with his asinine theories, motions and statements! IMO he’s more of a hinderance than a help! Ha! Look who’s hindering now! Keep at it NP, you’re helping JD’s case!
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I don't know. I can't stand the guy but I think he's pretty smart. He knows what he's doing.
 
gitana1 said:
He demonstrated that he was unable to put the needs of his children above his own, he was alienating them and making them lie for him, which is emotional abuse, he was violating court orders issued to protect the kids, like not having them around his mistress and he lied to the court.

All of this likely allowed the judge to reexamine past allegations and provided more credibility to those allegations when they were just he said she said allegations at the outset.

Those included that he was abusive to the kids forcing them to practice in grueling trianing sessions that lasted 8-10 hours, in order to make them little stars, that his kids were scared of him, that he had one drive a car on the open highway, that he dictated to his wife where she would live and when with the kids post-separation and that she and the kids would have to share their home with MT and MT's daughter and that he could access her mother's home whenever he wanted and that he chased her and threatened to kill his wife, among others.

Earlier we had posts blaming the family law judge for not issuing harsh enough orders against FD, essentially allowing him to murder her.

Now it's that her orders were too harsh prompting him to lose it and kill his wife.

Poor judge can't win.

IMO the orders were appropriate and well reasoned under the circumstances and everything the judge has done has been centered on the best interests of the kids.

To me it's clear this man murdered his wife. He's a murderer. And it was calculated, cold and evilly planned well in advance, IMO. He had no legitimate reason to be at her house the day she disappeared. I don't think they were even supposed to communicate directly.

The only ones to blame for this are the ones who murdered Jennifer and any accomplices. Not the family court.
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I agree. If I am not mistaken, the latest order also mentioned counseling that FD was ordered to go to. Probably something bad that is in the redacted sections.

And you are very right to defend the judge. 250 court filings including "emergency" filings between FD and JD. 100 appearances in court. That is a ton.
 
afitzy said:
Oh boy, No Case Norm. Sometimes reading these articles I wonder if Pattis has a media specialist or PR expert on his staff or payroll? Or, perhaps he thinks he is a PR maven?

This latest article looks like another pony tail/hair flip/toddler temper tantrum IMO about discovery speed etc.!

Yawn.....

Quote:
“We remain confident and we understand why the state looks at Mr. Dulos as a suspect,” Pattis said. “With the passage of every week, I think it becomes more difficult to sustain the suspicion in a responsible form. We think the state should either put up or shut up.”

Absolutely love the assumption/lack of basic logic IMO that the more time passes that it become more difficult to sustain suspicion! Really? LE is just waiting for forensic evidence results to return so just hold on to your ponytail Atty Pattis and all the discovery will be dumped into your offices in due course!

The 'put up or shut up' comment IMO is actually a classic bully phrase with its aggressive tone. Given that Atty Pattis will have to work with the State on this case its unclear how setting such a bullying tone this early in the case before discovery has really fully kicked off will serve his client well in the long run? I had hopes when listening to Pattis talk about learning lessons from his prior case with the States Atty (discussed on the AJ morning radio show with link in prior thread) that he would work on a more collaborative collegial basis. But, it looks like this ship has sailed and no lessons were learned and Atty Pattis has his shotgun out and is willing to shoot anyone in his path that doesn't do what he needs to have happen. Sad state of affairs IMO.

The Atty Pattis statement about blurry CCTV is also interesting as its unclear to me that in order to get a conviction that the Court needs crystal clear footage but that will be in the hands of the court and the jury IMO.

Quote:
"The CDs did include video of Troconis at a store in Farmington around 10 a.m. May 24, Pattis said, indicating she could not have been in New Canaan when Jennifer Dulos went missing. Pattis has called for the charges to be dropped against Troconis, who he claims can provide an alibi for his client".

This quote is curious to me as again its Atty Pattis talking about MT who is not his client and says zero about where his client FD was at 10am. For some reason Atty Pattis is spending very little time IMO actually speaking about FD who so far as we know IS HIS CLIENT. Where was FD on the 23rd and 24th Atty Pattis?


Just seems like IMO the more Atty Pattis talks the more guilty he is making his client seem or perhaps that is his goal and that a simpleton like myself simply isn't 'getting' the Pattis strategy for defending FD? I raise my hand and officially say that I don't get the Pattis strategy unless its goal is to confuse the scenario such that people actually forget that his client is FD!

MOO
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There's no such thing as a collaborative collegial relationship in criminal cases. They aren't working together to resolve a matter for their clients. They're fighting hard - one side for justice and the other for the rights and freedom of their client.

This kind of public bluster can occur with some "celebrity" criminal defense attorneys. I never really understood it. Geragos. Baez. They just seem delusional and creepy to me. I don't know how it works.

But it doesn't always mean they're rude when communicating with the other side.

Regardless, there's nothing collaborative about this. NP isn't going to have to "work with" the state. Not close. It's not a divorce where the sides could come to an equitable resolution for all. It's a serious fight with only one winner.
 
NP is just blowing hot air, IMO, he has to, what other option does he have?
Here at WS, we can see right through it, but the media is picking up every thing he says and running wild with it. In FD's mind he probably thinks people are falling for it and he is winning.

I am just sitting here waiting for the other shoe to drop on FD. All in good time, IMO.

I can't bring myself to be happy about GF gaining custody, because these children have now lost both their parents, I am simply relieved that she gained custody. But it's all terribly sad!

And I am still wondering, where the heck is Jennifer?
 
Rivkah11 said:
NP behavior is similar to a reality show character than that of a professional attorney. No one seriously believes reality show drama. With a client who seems to thrive on and create continual drama, I’d say they are a perfect match. MOO
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You know I guess some people do believe that nonsense. It doesn't make sense to me. It always reminds me of Saddam Hussein delusionally and arrogantly standing there proclaiming that the streets would run red with the blood of Americans, as his nation was bombed to smithereens by American planes.

But I guess some people buy the bluster?
 
Rivkah11 said:
Just because MT was not in NC at the time of the disappearance doesn’t clear her of dumping JDs bloody belongings.
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Right?

I think he makes statements about her case because he's trying to influence her to not turn on his client.

Mark my word- every last thing he does in the civil and criminal cases is a defense of future murder charges.

He doesn't care about anything else IMO. He knows what's at stake.
 
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