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Except for the writing on the door. The height of the writing is unusually high on the door for her height. Also. If she wrote the message she refers to herself as "her"" not "me". Why would she do that? If it were Dina (I'm not saying it was) That message would make since. Being murdered and found naked and bound would also add to the humiliation. She would be getting back at them both. Twisted, but it makes since.

Rebecca was referring to herself in the 3rd person.

MZL's accusation:

"Once they murdered REBECCA, DINA instructed ADAM to leave a message on the door outside the room where the murder was committed. The message was painted using black paint at a height that is consistent with an individual who is approximately the height of ADAM. The message read: “SHE SAVED HIM. CAN YOU SAVE HER.”

#1 How does MZL know it was DINA who ordered the message?

#2 The height was ALSO consistent for an individual who is approximately the height of REBECCA.



Also, why would Dina even say that "SHE SAVED HIM," when it was paramedics who revived MS, not Rebecca.
 
burke_dennings, you will never get any REAL EVIDENCE from anyone here that supports their conclusion that RZ was murdered. There IS NO EVIDENCE to support that because it did not happen.

Rebecca took her own life. Yes, naked. Yes, bound. Yes, with a scarf around her neck, Yes, over the balcony. Yes, it has been proved and reproved by REAL DETECTIVES.

Many of those posting that it was murder that that from the moment this story came out, and simply cannot admit they are wrong and have helped an unscrupulous family try to make 10 Million Dollars by railroading innocent people in a civil case - after the death has been ruled a SUICIDE.

There was no bias, there was no rush to judgement, there was no pay off. There was only an angry woman that took her life in one last act of spite - all while sweet litte Max Shacknai lay dying in the hospital - due to her negligence.

There is only SUICIDE. MZL needs to get therapy.
 
That sort of blanket argument doesn't prove that Dina, Nina, and Adam did what MZL is accusing them of doing in the WDS:

"The Defendants were careful to remove any evidence of their involvement, including the disposal of the tape and REBECCA’s clothes. Once the staging was complete, the Defendants fled the scene, instructing ADAM to call the police in the early morning with claims of suicide."

Did these "evil three stooges" bring a black light along in order to see Rebecca's fingerprints so they could leave those and wipe all the others away?

And how would they know which fingerprints belonged to RZ?


Did you see the photos of the room where Rebecca prepared her suicide? It was not cleaned, vaccummed, dusted - etc. Just Rebecca's DNA and FINGERPRINTS.

The arguement that gloves were worn and the scene cleaned is simply laughable and totally impossible given the condition in which the room was found. :laughing:
 
^ Easy.

Murderers:
1) wore gloves
2) physical evidence not collected or tested (e.g., mixed DNA found all over the murder room but dismissed)
3) physical evidence that was collected were dismissed since they appear to contradict suicide theory

Any other questions?

Conclusion: Erroneous ME ruling of suicide due to investigative biases.


Sheriff Gore responded to the claims made about evidence not being tested.

"Things they said weren't examined were examined.
A knife they said had no fingerprints or DNA had fingerprints, of Rebecca Zahau's, on it"


Gore's remarks on video at link:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Rebecca-Zahau-Birthday-Family-Mansion-Death-142786415.html
 
It sounds sarcastic to me. As if someone was enraged at the suggestion Rebecca helped by calling paramedics.


So you believe that Dina hated Becky so much.....

she would rather her son died at the scene......

than have Becky get credit for getting help?
 
It sounds sarcastic to me. As if someone was enraged at the suggestion Rebecca helped by calling paramedics.

I am not even sure that message was about Max it's up for interpretation for sure. Does Rebecca feel she saved Jonah from something? A life of loneliness? IDK because she would know that HE can't save her if it were Max, so that is why I feel the message is for and about Jonah. JMO
 
I am not even sure that message was about Max it's up for interpretation for sure. Does Rebecca feel she saved Jonah from something? A life of loneliness? IDK because she would know that HE can't save her if it were Max, so that is why I feel the message is for and about Jonah. JMO


And the CAN YOU SAVE HER bit......

If Becky feared for her life and thought she needed to be saved from someone or something, she could have told the police.

Why not tell them: "Dina's going to kill me!"

And if, as MZL alleges, ADAM painted the graffiti under DINA's orders.......

She would have directed him to paint:

I SAVED HIM

CAN YOU SAVE ME


That is a message that someone trying to stage a murder to look like a suicide would leave behind.

SHE SAVED HIM

CAN YOU SAVE HER


Makes it sound like someone was coming for her!
 
No, she blames Rebecca though.

Then why would Dina direct Adam to paint:

"SHE SAVED HIM"

If Dina blames her?

It doesn't make sense for Dina to leave a declaration on the door stating that Becky saved her son if she blames Becky for Max being injured.
 
Sarcasm.

But you already know that. After all, it was she who hired and paid two 'professionals'💰 💰 💰 to come up with the most ludicrous scenario ever...supposedly showing how Rebecca murdered Max.

Oh, and she isn't the only one holding Rebecca responsible for Max's accident. 😏
 
Sarcasm.

But you already know that. After all, it was she who hired and paid two 'professionals'   to come up with the most ludicrous scenario ever...supposedly showing how Rebecca murdered Max.

Oh, and she isn't the only one holding Rebecca responsible for Max's accident. 


The door grafitti doesn't read sarcastic at all.

And what does that have to do with the very specific allegations made in the Wrongful Death Suit?

Evidence Please....Anyone? Anyone?

Where is Mary Suii Hoecker/Loehner's proof that Adam Shacknai painted the message on the door?

and how does Miss Mary know that Dina ordered him to do it?

from p.6/7 of the WDS:

"Once they murdered REBECCA, DINA instructed ADAM to leave a cryptic message on the door outside the room where the murder was committed. The
message was painted using black paint at a height that is consistent with an individual who is approximately the height of ADAM. The message read: “SHE
SAVED HIM. CAN YOU SAVE HER.”

http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/Zahau-Amended-Complaint.pdf
 
Rebecca was referring to herself in the 3rd person.

MZL's accusation:

"Once they murdered REBECCA, DINA instructed ADAM to leave a message on the door outside the room where the murder was committed. The message was painted using black paint at a height that is consistent with an individual who is approximately the height of ADAM. The message read: “SHE SAVED HIM. CAN YOU SAVE HER.”

#1 How does MZL know it was DINA who ordered the message?

Hmmm, Adam has had his deposition. Perhaps he is cooperating....
 
Sure, that's why Adam has a Motion to Demurrer pending, he's given up the goods on Dina!


After two years, during which Plaintiffs’ counsel have filed eight separate iterations of their complaint in federal and state court, the allegations before this Court remain insufficient and, therefore, the demurrer should be sustained without leave to amend and the case should be dismissed with prejudice.

As explained in previous briefing, Rebecca Zahau’s tragic death was, after a thorough investigation by law enforcement, determined to be a suicide. Unable to accept this conclusion, Plaintiffs’ counsel filed parallel federal and state cases with nothing more than threadbare allegations that three individuals conspired to murder her. Yet after four years of investigation and four sets of counsel, the only allegation connecting Defendant Adam Shacknai to the purported conspiracy is based on a “belief” held by the Plaintiffs. Where an allegation is based on nothing more than a “belief,” it is black-letter law that the allegation must be accompanied by allegations setting forth facts upon which the belief is founded. Gomes v.Countrywide Home Loans, Inc. 192 Cal. App. 4th 1149, 1159 (2011). The Second Amended Complaint, however, fails to make any such allegations.

After eight attempts to state a claim against Mr. Shacknai, enough is enough. This demurrer should be sustained, and this time, sustained without leave to amend.



IV. ARGUMENT

A. No Factual Basis Is Set Forth for the Allegations Against Mr. Shacknai.

As the Court explained in its May 1 order: “Allegations based on information and belief must set forth facts upon which the belief is founded. Gomes v. Countrywide Home Loans, Inc. (2011) 192 Cal. App. 4th 1149, 1159; Dowling v. Spring Val. Water Co. (1917) 174 Cal. 218, 221.” Order at 4. Rader Decl. Ex. M at 4. Indeed, Gomes makes clear that “[a] pleading made on information and belief is insufficient if it merely asserts the facts so alleged without alleging such information that leads the plaintiff to believe that the allegations are true.” Id., 192 Cal. App. 4th at 1158.

Under this standard, the SAC is insufficient. Like the FAC, the allegations that connect Mr. Shacknai to the purported conspiracy remain unchanged—they are alleged only on information and belief. That is, the FAC alleges nothing more than: “Plaintiffs believe that at this time, ADAM, who . . . was sleeping in the guest house at the residence, was awakened by the commotion and came to the scene.” FAC ¶ 21 (emphasis added). Although the SAC has certain additional allegations as to the other defendants, there are none with respect to Mr. Shacknai. Rather, the SAC simply recycles the same sentence from the FAC, which this Court already has found insufficient: “Plaintiffs believe that at this time, ADAM, who . . . was sleeping in the guest house at the residence, was awakened by the commotion and came to the scene.” SAC ¶ 22 (emphasis added). Simply, the SAC utterly fails to allege any information that leads Plaintiffs (or their counsel) to believe this allegation is true. Therefore, Mr. Shacknai’s demurrer should be granted.[\B]

C. The Court Should Dismiss the Claims Against Mr. Shacknai With Prejudice.


The allegations of the SAC—which, between the various complaints submitted to this Court and in federal court, are in their eighth iteration—accuse Mr. Shacknai of a heinous crime. Yet after these myriad iterations, and after being directed by this Court to plead the facts that lead Plaintiffs and their counsel to include the allegations made on information and belief, the only allegation that supposedly connects Mr. Shacknai to the purported conspiracy has no factual basis. The SAC merely recites the same unsupported “belief” allegation from the defective prior complaint: “Plaintiffs believe that at this time, ADAM, who . . . was sleeping in the guest house at the, was awakened by the commotion and came to the scene.” SAC ¶ 22 (emphasis added).

Not only is responding to the various iterations of the complaint taking their toll on the defendants, so are the media reports. For example, on the same day as the August 1, 2014 CMC—at which the parties agreed the Plaintiffs would file an amended complaint before this Court—an article dappeared stating: “Attorneys for both sides will be back in court next January [i.e., January 2015] to set a trial date.” Rader Decl. Ex. O. The article quoted Plaintiffs’ counsel extensively, including with respect to the allegations as to Mr. Shacknai. Id. Most recently, approximately a week after the Court ordered Plaintiffs’ counsel to re-plead the complaint, yet another article appeared about this case. Plaintiffs’ counsel “told NBC7 there is now a piece of evidence he thinks could be the key to this mysterious case: an audio recording of investigators interviewing a woman who was near the Spreckels Mansion before Zahau's body was discovered.” Id. Ex. P. It is unclear why this merited the coverage it received. Four years ago, Plaintiffs’ then-counsel was brandishing this exact information as “new compelling evidence” in support of her contention that the Decedent was murdered. Id. Ex. Q.

After eight iterations of the complaint spanning nearly two years in both federal and state court, Plaintiffs’ counsel have alleged nothing more than they “believe” Mr. Shacknai joined the purported conspiracy. At this point, the only conclusion to be drawn is that they have alleged nothing more because they cannot. As a matter of law, that a plaintiff “believes” someone committed a wrong is not enough to require someone to stand trial. Therefore, the SAC should be dismissed with prejudice.


V. CONCLUSION

After four years of investigation, four sets of counsel, and eight iterations of the complaint, Plaintiffs’ counsel have been unable to come forward with any allegation for including Mr. Shacknai as a defendant in this case other than a belief for which they have no factual basis. Therefore, the Complaint and each of its causes of action should be dismissed as to Mr. Shacknai, and dismissed with prejudice.


Dated: June 1, 2015 WINSTON & STRAWN LLP




 
The door graffiti reads sarcastic to me. Of course, that's one of the problems with the written word. That's why we have emojis
 
So you believe that Dina hated Becky so much.....

she would rather her son died at the scene......

than have Becky get credit for getting help?


With all due respect, that retort doesn't even make sense when you break it down.
 
With all due respect, that retort doesn't even make sense when you break it down.


I was responding to post #285:

"It sounds sarcastic to me. As if someone was enraged at the suggestion Rebecca helped by calling paramedics."


HTH

And with all due respect,

What does that have to do with Mary Suii Hoecker Loehner's allegation that Dina instructed Adam to paint the door?

 
Hypothetical exchange:

DS: Your stupid f$###ing girlfriend has killed our son!!

JS: What are you talking about it?? She tried to save him!!

DS: Save him? Are you kidding me??? She was with him and now he's dying, you stupid effing SOB!!!!
 
Still makes no sense lol


It's Mrs. Hoecker/Loehner's baseless accusation that Dina ordered Adam to paint that bizarre message that doesn't make sense.


And saying the "SHE SAVED HIM" bit was a sarcastic message thought up by Dina is truly hysterical! LULZ.
 

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