GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[Karmady]

Where did you see that the autopsy said bruising to the face?

Are you talking about the pooled blood?

iirc, the family's autopsy guy noted contusion in the area of the right mandible, so I guess that would count as facial bruising?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Kendrick had several things working against him. Being in the upside down position for a length of time will result in death. He also was confined by the mat and that adds an additional element, that would constrict his ability to breath and also limit oxygen.

If he collapsed and his neck was bent, there is an additional element of limiting his breathing and cutting off circulation. Blood clots, stroke and hemorrhage can occur.

I think it's very likely that due to the position he was in, it could present at autopsy with bruising and hemmorage on the neck. In other words, I don't think that it can be ruled as being caused by trauma inflicted by another or trauma due to him falling in the mat or his position in the mat.

Notice how Dr. Anderson carefully worded his statement:

"The pathologist also concluded the teenager died from blunt force trauma near his carotid artery and that the fatal blow appeared to be non-accidental."

Sometimes in autopsies it comes down to a matter of opinion.

http://www.charlydmiller.com/LIB05/2003sep2PAcases.pdf

 

[Kimberlyd125]

iirc, the family's autopsy guy noted contusion in the area of the right mandible, so I guess that would count as facial bruising?

Oh ok. I was picturing underneath. Like where the mandible meets the neck.

I guess I wasn't considering that the face.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I believe KJ's death was a freak accident. But the whole "who has/had the internal organs" and newspaper being used to fill the body is a whiskey tango foxtrot situation. Jmo
"The statement quotes Lowndes County Coroner Bill Watson as saying: "In this case, the Viscera, which is the internal organs, were not sent back with the body for disposition. It was confirmed by Mr. Bryan, (a death investigator with the crime lab), who was present at the autopsy, that the viscera were disposed of due to decomposition of the same.'"

When contacted by Crimesider on Friday, coroner Watson first said he has no idea what happened to Johnson's organs.

"I don't know anything about that," Watson said. "What difference does it make? What does it matter to the case?""


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...at-handled-teens-remains-after-gym-mat-death/

Yoda, this is what bugs me. :goodpost:

It makes a good deal of difference to his parents.

But I agree it is not necessarily related to Kendrick's death. Just a disrespectful handling of his body.



There is also this:

Lowndes County Coroner Bill Watson has been in contact with the GBI regarding Kendrick’s autopsy, he said. But the Coroner hasn’t enjoyed the same level of cooperation from the sheriff’s office as the GBI, said Watson, who also stated he wasn’t contacted when Kendrick’s body was first discovered.

“This was not fair to the decedent, his family, and the citizens of Valdosta and Lowndes County, Ga. And it’s wrong as rain,” Watson said in January when he spoke to The Times. “You may not want me on your crime scene, but it’s a law. It’s not something you can change your mind about.”

http://valdostadailytimes.com/local...-answers-in-LHS-students-death?mobRedir=false

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Kendrick had several things working against him. Being in the upside down position for a length of time will result in death. He also was confined by the mat and that adds an additional element, that would constrict his ability to breath and also limit oxygen.

If he collapsed and his neck was bent, there is an additional element of limiting his breathing and cutting off circulation. Blood clots, stroke and hemorrhage can occur.

I think it's very likely that due to the position he was in, it could present at autopsy with bruising and hemmorage on the neck. In other words, I don't think that it can be ruled as being caused by trauma inflicted by another or trauma due to him falling in the mat or his position in the mat.

Notice how Dr. Anderson carefully worded his statement:

"The pathologist also concluded the teenager died from blunt force trauma near his carotid artery and that the fatal blow appeared to be non-accidental."

Sometimes in autopsies it comes down to a matter of opinion.

http://www.charlydmiller.com/LIB05/2003sep2PAcases.pdf

Great post. I wondered if the bent neck could cause bruising.

 

[Karmady]

Oh ok. I was picturing underneath. Like where the mandible meets the neck.

I guess I wasn't considering that the face.

Agree...chin/neck? That's the only thing that could possibly count as facial bruising. But it was definitely related to the supposed injury in the carotid area.

Btw, I had no idea the DOJ already reviewed the entire investigative file and ruled out civil rights charges in September, after the 2nd autopsy. And that Moore already said at that time he was continuing to review the investigation. That explains a LOT about the timing of Crump's involvement, imo. I also didn't know Anderson's history. Not that I couldn't have predicted he had some credibility issues. jmo

http://valdostadailytimes.com/local...nt-no-civil-rights-violation-in-Johnson-death

 

[Tawny]

Why is the opinion of the autopsy hired by the family holding more weight than the original, non-biased autopsy? Is it simply that it 'fits' more in line with the opinion of foul play that some are holding? Honestly curious why that one seems to be more relevant.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Great post. I wondered if the bent neck could cause bruising.

Here's more on interpreting bruises at necropsy:

http://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348.long

Cases involving a mechanical asphyxial mode of death, such as manual strangulation or postural (positional) asphyxia, might show areas of congestion and genuine bruises, the sizes of which are larger than would be expected because of the increased volume of blood in surrounding vessels, which will escape and contribute to the bruised area. In addition, congested areas may show postmortem ecchymoses that resemble petechial haemorrhages. These are often seen within areas of hypostasis.

Although it is recommended that a careful dissection of the involved area should be carried out to assess whether, as in the case of a bruise, the blood has escaped from blood vessels into the surrounding tissue, occasionally (particularly with pronounced congestion) this can still be problematical. It is sometimes useful to move the cadaver into another position to allow drainage of pooled blood to a secondary position; true bruising will remain in the same position.

There is a lot more information in that journal on different factors and interpretation of bruising. To many factors IMO, that could give a definitive answer on the cause of what Dr. Anderson observed and how he interpreted it.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Why is the opinion of the autopsy hired by the family holding more weight than the original, non-biased autopsy? Is it simply that it 'fits' more in line with the opinion of foul play that some are holding? Honestly curious why that one seems to be more relevant.

Yes, it fits the foul play opinion and they believe there was a coverup.

 

[vlpate]

Question for all of you wonderful sleuthers...........That before and after pic on his justice page, is that second picture really Kendrick?

Not sure.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Deep breaths

One
Two
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[Salem]

I'm gonna do some clean up and if you find you can't post, well, I guess you will know why. This is unbelievable. Just unreal.

Salem

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dy-bag-just-hours-teens-mysterious-death.html

It's really no wonder his parents are so skeptical !!!!

I'm appalled!


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[Linda7NJ]

Why is the opinion of the autopsy hired by the family holding more weight than the original, non-biased autopsy? Is it simply that it 'fits' more in line with the opinion of foul play that some are holding? Honestly curious why that one seems to be more relevant.

I believe it's equally as important.


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[vlpate]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dy-bag-just-hours-teens-mysterious-death.html

It's really no wonder his parents are so skeptical !!!!

I'm appalled!

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Keisha Moore is KJ's Aunt and Solaman is his cousin, not his best friend. Of course they could be both, best friend and cousins - just a little misleading not to mention it..

Kendrick Johnson Obituary
http://valdostadailytimes.com/news-links/x1633456258/Kendrick-Lamar-K-J-Johnson?mobRedir=false

Detectives said the message was non-threatening and Keisha Moore no longer has the message - how does she not have the message? Posts on Facebook stay until they are deleted.

Keisha Moore arrested with Johnson family at courthouse.
http://valdostatoday.com/2013/04/parents-of-kendrick-johnson-arrested-at-thursday-protest/

 

[iSleuth]

I searched for this after listening to an old Tricia's True Crime Radio with C. wecht re. the jon benet Ramsey case. It made me think of KJ>
So I did a little more research on Penetrating neck trauma

http://www.utmb.edu/otoref/grnds/pen-neck-trauma-9901/pen-neck-trauma.pdf

was that Kendrick's physical science book?
Whose was it?
could that have been used to hit or knock him out?

damage to this area produces
blood, vomiting and death

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I searched for this after listening to an old Tricia's True Crime Radio with C. wecht re. the jon benet Ramsey case. It made me think of KJ>
So I did a little more research on Penetrating neck trauma

http://www.utmb.edu/otoref/grnds/pen-neck-trauma-9901/pen-neck-trauma.pdf

was that Kendrick's physical science book?
Whose was it?
could that have been used to hit or knock him out?

damage to this area produces
blood, vomiting and death

It looks like they are talking about penetrating neck trauma. i.e. stab wounds, gunshot wounds or other objects.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/23890465/more-surveillance-video-to-be-released-in-georgia-gym-mat-death

The camera aimed in the general direction of where Kendrick Johnson was found dead in a rolled-up gym mat in January did not record how his body ended up there because the device was motion activated and the mat was out of its range, a sheriff's investigator told NBC News.

On Wednesday, video from that camera and about 31 others at Lowndes High School in Valdosta, Ga., is expected to be released to Johnson's parents and the media.



For months, the Lowndes County Sheriff's Office said that Johnson's death was not visible from any of the school's cameras.

But on Tuesday, Lt. Stryde Jones told NBC News that was because the camera was motion activated and whatever happened to the 17-year-old would have occurred on the other side of the gym.

The very brief portion that had been previously released showed Johnson entering the gym. But what happened next remains a mystery.

Jones said he did not know the exact range of the device.

BBM

 

[Sherp]

Yoda, this is what bugs me. :goodpost:

It makes a good deal of difference to his parents.

But I agree it is not necessarily related to Kendrick's death. Just a disrespectful handling of his body.



There is also this:



http://valdostadailytimes.com/local...-answers-in-LHS-students-death?mobRedir=false

The funeral home has noted that the body was treated according to usual and customary practices of a decomposing body. I don't see it as disrespectful. GBI did provide slides of the organs to Anderson to examine. Dr. Braden or Dr. Perper need to do a third autopsy. I would believe the GBI before a hired guy from Florida who has a little shade on his past. I read no indication that the area of the "bruise" was a penetrating wound.

 

[iSleuth]

It looks like they are talking about penetrating neck trauma. i.e. stab wounds, gunshot wounds or other objects.

Yes, but there are excellent diagrams in the article and it is well known that Kj did have a neck injury this nerve can be fatal if damaged , or "karate chopped" or in the case of jbr strangulation.
Just a thought.



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