GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

[OTPTarheel]

I keep wondering, why even bring Mr Dermond's body into the garage if that wasn't the crime scene? I'm just not convinced that it wasn't within the home, or in the garage. I know blood splatter would be present if it's an open wound to the head, but, there's close wounds as well that cause such brain damage it kills the person. And if a drain was in the garage, or a utility sink area, well, bleach and lots of water down the drain. Same thing if it was in the bathtub or shower.

I know I read where dogs were brought in, and they should have hit on any blood on the property IF they were allowed to walk every inch of it. If the bodies had been drug on a tarp, or sheet, the dogs still should have hit on that. And maybe they did, but we haven't been told.

I don't know, but I would guess they would have to have an article from the suspect for the dogs to track their path to the lake or whatever.

Really OFFTOPIC SKIP IF YOU WANT!

I have some orphan piglets right now. I keep trying to introduce them to the sow in hopes she will accept them. BUT, as of today, I realize they are imprinted on me, and my scent, and voice. I took them outside and put them in the pig lot near their Mom today, and walked away out of the Mom's sight, in hopes she would hear them squeal and realize they were hers. Those tiny little piglets instead put their nose to the ground, and followed MY scent right back to me, climb up on my feet and were content. They are only two days old!!

I've spent some time in Cabela's, but not the hunting section. Is there something you could spray like fox urine to stop the dogs from tracking???

 

[tomkat]

I had ducklings once that followed me out to the pond everyday, kind of like that movie "Fly Away Home"

piglets must be adorable !

about the Dermonds, coulld have been in the tub, drained everything right out, blood let, no blood to make a mess, tarp and drag

if filleting knife used to behead, no scratches on anything probably

ugh

then clean house or bathroom up, house was immaculate they say!

I keep wondering, why even bring Mr Dermond's body into the garage if that wasn't the crime scene? I'm just not convinced that it wasn't within the home, or in the garage. I know blood splatter would be present if it's an open wound to the head, but, there's close wounds as well that cause such brain damage it kills the person. And if a drain was in the garage, or a utility sink area, well, bleach and lots of water down the drain. Same thing if it was in the bathtub or shower.

I know I read where dogs were brought in, and they should have hit on any blood on the property IF they were allowed to walk every inch of it. If the bodies had been drug on a tarp, or sheet, the dogs still should have hit on that. And maybe they did, but we haven't been told.

I don't know, but I would guess they would have to have an article from the suspect for the dogs to track their path to the lake or whatever.

Really OFFTOPIC SKIP IF YOU WANT!

I have some orphan piglets right now. I keep trying to introduce them to the sow in hopes she will accept them. BUT, as of today, I realize they are imprinted on me, and my scent, and voice. I took them outside and put them in the pig lot near their Mom today, and walked away out of the Mom's sight, in hopes she would hear them squeal and realize they were hers. Those tiny little piglets instead put their nose to the ground, and followed MY scent right back to me, climb up on my feet and were content. They are only two days old!!

 

[Cardinal47]

I keep wondering, why even bring Mr Dermond's body into the garage if that wasn't the crime scene? I'm just not convinced that it wasn't within the home, or in the garage. I know blood splatter would be present if it's an open wound to the head, but, there's close wounds as well that cause such brain damage it kills the person. And if a drain was in the garage, or a utility sink area, well, bleach and lots of water down the drain. Same thing if it was in the bathtub or shower.

I know I read where dogs were brought in, and they should have hit on any blood on the property IF they were allowed to walk every inch of it. If the bodies had been drug on a tarp, or sheet, the dogs still should have hit on that. And maybe they did, but we haven't been told.

I don't know, but I would guess they would have to have an article from the suspect for the dogs to track their path to the lake or whatever.



I cut out some of the above article...sorry.

When I read about a murder I always try placing myself at the scene and try to figure out how it all happened. The sights, sounds, fears, noises.

I too have a very hard time trying to figure out all the movement this killer did if in fact they were killed someplace else.

How did he get them there? I don't believe for a minute he convinced two elderly people with hip replacements and in their late 80's to go for a boat ride. I don't believe they let him in their house willingly after dark unless he was expected.

I do know that their house was huge and I wonder if a window could have been left unlatched or a door not locked. It happens in big houses...I know.

So he could have entered the house and been waiting for them in the garage to return Friday evening.

But how to subdue two old folks quickly? I am sure he attacked Mr. D first and then Mrs. I wonder if he had rags soaked in Chloroform? I have heard of that in rape cases.

So just for discussion purposes the killer came to the house, took the two to a different location since Mr. D was not killed there...hummm was Mrs. D killed at the home? No discussion on that as I remember. Anyway off they go. The killer and Mr and Mrs.

How do they travel? Now I wonder if he used their car they just returned in. The neighbors would notice nothing and the garage door and gate stickers would be right there. Heck the killer could have been dressed up like anybody to hide his identity in case he was spotted. If they go to a home how does he manage to get two old folks inside to kill them? How is it nobody hears anything or sees anything?

Then he loads them up and takes Mr. D to his garage..again nobody sees anything. Then he puts Mrs. D in a boat in the dead of night on a moonless night..well 1/8 moon and heads to her final resting place. Which by the way takes some time to lift her out and weigh her down in the water.

I forget the temps that night but I think it was cold.

Then he cleans up the boat and the mode of transportation to the killing place, himself and leaves no fingerprints or blood and cleans the Dermonds home so even the sheriff remarks on how clean the house is.

There they lay until Tuesday when neighbors check on them. Speaking of which the neighbors seemed to find nothing unusual as they searched the home for them until entering the garage and finding Mr. D's body.

Maybe I am missing something but all of this should have taken several to accomplish all of that! Plus if only one he has to be huge and in great shape to do all these things.

 

[tomkat]

There isn't any bones in a neck, other than the small vertebrae at the top of the spine that connects base of skull. I can't see that it would take much force to put someone's neck onto a block, give it a good swing and remove the head at the neck in one swing. The neck is just muscle and soft tissue.

bones in my neck crackle all the time BTW LOL

 

[bessie]

http://mobile.officer.com/article/10232805/lying-for-dna

Surreptitious sampling. Trash on the street is public property. Cigarette butts dropped and spitting on the street too.
Not sure how legal it is but it's done.

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Exactly. Surreptitious sampling. It's quite legal, and makes more sense than knocking on a suspect's door to ask for a swab when you're not ready to lock him up. Because once you've got your swab, your suspect is going to be on the next plane out of the country. I can't say it's never done. Sometimes LE pressures a suspect for years because they lack evidence to arrest. In this case, and this soon, I don't see it. Besides, anyone in this case who is close to the family and had been in the home likely has been asked to submit a DNA sample for elimination purposes already. If there's a lead on someone outside the circle, I believe LE is going to play that one very close until they can make an arrest. JMO

 

[Cardinal47]

Bessie thanks for 'fixing' my post. I was having a heck of a time with it once I removed part of the post I was quoting.

 

[Cardinal47]

Exactly. Surreptitious sampling. It's quite legal, and makes more sense than knocking on a suspect's door to ask for a swab when you're not ready to lock him up. Because once you've got your swab, your suspect is going to be on the next plane out of the country. I can't say it's never done. Sometimes LE pressures a suspect for years because they lack evidence to arrest. In this case, and this soon, I don't see it. Besides, anyone in this case who is close to the family and had been in the home likely has been asked to submit a DNA sample for elimination purposes already. If there's a lead on someone outside the circle, I believe LE is going to play that one very close until they can make an arrest. JMO

I remember watching a show where they wanted a DNA sample of a suspect. He was followed into McDonalds and when he threw away his drink they went to the trash and removed the straw.

He is now a guest of the state!

 

[atthelake]

Their crime lab is in Quantico. I don't know about satellite labs.

GBI main crime lab is in Dekalb County. Not Atlanta, but I thought he was not working with the GBI.

>_<how confusing!

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Just a nuance for folks that are reading here and not from ATL.... If anyone asks me where I'm from I'll say Atlanta. Unless they say they are FROM Atlanta I'll tell them the outlying City I live in. Metro Atlanta has about 9 counties iirc...and many folks refer within the state as to all counties being *Atlanta*. IMHO :moo: ....it's a local thang of reference.

Sills...IMHO saying he was in Atlanta also = Dekalb county. It touches it west...and us locals consider it *Atlanta*.

HTH

 

[1&2&3]

I am still suspicious about those helicopters last night. They were most definitely checking something out! Could the noise from them have been a disguise for a boat trying to get close to a certain dock that LE is watching?

My opinions only.

 

[atthelake]

gngr~snap, Dekalb County, Decatur, GA, is considered greater/metro Atlanta. Sheriff Sills is utilizing the GBI Crime Lab & ME. He has refused to invite the very experienced and elite special agents and investigators of the GBI to assist in the Dermond case.
The FBI has an Atlanta office as well as others across the state; Rome, GA, etc..

http://www.fbi.gov/atlanta/

Georgia Bureau of Investigation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FBI Atlanta
http://www.fbi.gov/atlanta/

:blushing: Hate it when I'm away for the day and reply to a post and it's all answered way before I'm back lol. :seeya: I'm up near Fox right now...and enjoying the deer and nature..... and as always... atthelake! LA this weekend! :loveyou:

 

[atthelake]

Also, I don't know about LO but at our place on Sinclair, you hear loud bangs quite often. I think most of the time they are fireworks but I'm not sure I'd know the difference between gunshots and fireworks.

I'm at Lake Arrowhead for the weekend...and JUST NOW!! fireworks in the woods right behind the house. I did STARE through the darkness to make sure fireworks and not guns... :scared:

 

[Suthrnqt]

I'm glad you brought up the ME tomcat! I watched the video a kindly Websleuther posted the other day of the reporter interview with the gentleman (bless his heart). He sounded like he was in over his head a bit. Said he had never worked a beheading case before. Shouldn't a specialist be brought in, or at least someone who has dealt with a beheading before to double check things?

I am sure that if a specialist is needed, one will be called in, imo. It wouldn't surprise me if the FBI assisted with the autopsies or at the very least attended the autopsy. I hope....I hope!

 

[bessie]

I remember watching a show where they wanted a DNA sample of a suspect. He was followed into McDonalds and when he threw away his drink they went to the trash and removed the straw.

He is now a guest of the state!

Links

Law enforcement officials say they are just trying to solve crimes. Over the last few years, several hundred suspects have been implicated by the traces of DNA they unwittingly shed well after the crime was committed, according to law enforcement officials. Many more have been eliminated from suspicion without ever knowing that their coffee cups, tissues, straws, utensils and cigarette butts were subject to DNA analysis by the police.

“It’s a great tool,” said Micki Links, a sergeant in the Sacramento sheriff’s homicide division. “Our hands are tied on a lot of things as far as what we can do and what we can search, so when we find something that’s within the law, we’re going to use it.”

Sometimes the police dupe suspects into relinquishing their genetic identity by offering them a Coke during a routine interview and picking up the can. In Buffalo last year, undercover police waited until Altemio Sanchez, suspected of strangling and raping several women over a quarter-century, paid the check and left after dinner with his wife at a local restaurant before confiscating his glass. He later admitted killing three women and received a life sentence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/s...1364961600&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Years later, in 2003, after police tested DNA found in the case, officers followed Sigsbee and his wife to a local Wendy’s restaurant. The detectives retrieved Sigsbee’s discarded drink cup and straw, and subsequent DNA testing linked Sigsbee to the rape and murder of Regina Reynolds. The evidence held up in court, leading to Sigsbee’s conviction for murder. He is now serving a 25 year-to-life prison sentence.

http://www.dnapolicy.org/policy.issue.php?action=detail&issuebrief_id=48

http://ethics.iit.edu/EEL/Surreptitious DNA Gathering.pdf

 

[1&2&3]

My biggest fear is the suspect will be killed as he is being arrested!

Please LE bring him in alive! The days of "Wanted Dead or Alive" do not apply!

Let's get the whole story out and not let it end with alleged killer.

 

[Carolinapeach]

I am sure that if a specialist is needed, one will be called in, imo. It wouldn't surprise me if the FBI assisted with the autopsies or at the very least attended the autopsy. I hope....I hope!

I'm thinking Bootsctr may have seen a video with the Putnam County Coroner? I don't think we know who the ME was, as the autopsy was done at the GBI crime lab and I think I remember the ME being referred to as a "she." The Putnam County Coroner has a fire/rescue background, IIRC.

 

[gngr~snap]

Up here we just ask Bartow Co Scanner what's up and they tell us what they can.


I heard a helicopter the other day and asked if it was LIFE flight. It was. A swimming accident at Red Top Man rd. (they lived)

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[gngr~snap]

Ah! Some D Day practice or yearly thing maybe ?

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[gngr~snap]

https://m.facebook.com/oconeesheriff?fref=nf&_rdr
**** I asked they will answer if they can.

Up here we just ask Bartow Co Scanner what's up and they tell us what's up.
I heard a helicopter the other day and asked if it was LIFE flight. It was. A swimming accident at Red Top Man rd. (they lived)

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[atthelake]

While I have never believed this is a crime about revenge or paypack against another person in the Dermond family, I do agree a bullet is just a bullet and doesn't ID a killer. Imo, Shirley and Russ were his targets period.

Because a bullet identifies no one that is why I don't think the weapon used on Russ was a gun but was something much more unique that very few people have.

I don't think the head being taken was done for shock value either. I think it was done out of necessity. The killer is very cold, calculating, unemotional, and methodical imo.

I think he knew before he even decapitated Russ how everyone would go into a tailspin trying to second guess why he took the head. I see him as someone that loves to play head (no pun intended) games with not only LE but everyone that he knew would know about this. I am sure he sits back and laughs how people are trying to figure him out and why he did things the way he did. I think it gives him great satisfaction like a 'catch me if you can' or 'nannie nannie boo boo' type of game he loves to play.

IMO

Then If That Is The Belief... We Again Return To A Theory That Many Have Spoken Of... <<<--- The Theory That Includes Capitalization Of The Beginning Of Each And Every Word

 

[Carolinapeach]

Up here we just ask Bartow Co Scanner what's up and they tell us what they can.


I heard a helicopter the other day and asked if it was LIFE flight. It was. A swimming accident at Red Top Man rd. (they lived)

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You might try FB for Greene County Sheriff. That would be closer and if the helicopters were flying over LO, they probably flew over both Putnam and Greene.