claire_parker
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She is gorgeous inside and out.
She is gorgeous inside and out.
Exactly. Privacy is obviously a major concern. Sites like Ancestry and 23 and me, don’t generally allow their databases to be used by LE. Golden State and several other cases have been solved by using a public database, where users upload their own DNA that has been downloaded from other DNA testing sites (like Ancestry). What LE has done, is uploaded suspect DNA to this open site, and used geneology to solve cases.
This particular site, GedMatch, makes it clear that your DNA can be used by other parties. The issue is, particular individuals have no control over what members of their families contribute, hence the privacy concerns, as you have no say in your own privacy when your DNA is out there, courtesy of someone related to you.
When you’re taking a killer off the streets, I think this is a small price to pay. The danger however, is a slippery slope.
Do we know that LE has lied to a suspect in this case?LE can lie to a suspect but it's going to come up at trial and a good defense lawyer would paint it as entrapment and inept police work. There's always a balancing act for LE and prosecutors: you want to catch your perpetrator but you don't want to have him walk free because your evidence is inadmissible due to constitutional or evidentiary violations.
There are a number of cases that prohibit evidence from being admitted in court when LE violates certain rights or procedures. If anyone is interested, the "fruit from the poisonous tree" doctrine explains how far reaching the consequences can be for LE overreach.
Thank you @EJB123456 for the info! Twitter is one platform that I am NOT knowledgeable in. I find it weird and confusing. Set up a Twitter years ago and honestly can’t remember my handle or whatever ya call it.I in no way think that the pinned tweet is relevant but she wrote it in November, and unless y’all know of a way I don’t, you cannot tell WHEN it was pinned. Could have been pinned in November, could have been pinned in March. I’m sure Twitter could tell us (or LE) though.
You can always go back through your old tweets and pin one.
Edited: because I can’t spell.
I'm not sure how wet they would have been by the time the investigation began, but I agree that it's not pleasant to wear wet, sweaty clothes any longer than you need to. I always change immediately and sometimes grab a sweatshirt, because as hot as I get while running, I always feel like I'm freezing afterward.More about the running angle:
MT had an iPhone and Fitbit- neither of these would help her with her training per se. Given her age and interaction with SM, I’ll bet anything she had a running app. I use RunKeeper. As I run, it tracks my progress, telling me how far I’ve gone and what my average pace is. I’m praying she had one of these apps and that LE can access the data. I don’t know all the ins and outs of it, but it clearly tracks something- hopefully enough to give them some rough location.
Also, in terms of the timeline- as I mentioned previously, I know about running in hot Midwest weather. I think it would be very unusual for her to hang out in her workout clothes post-run. Not only is it not hygienic/healthy for a woman to keep on sweaty running gear, it’s just not comfortable. I strip pretty much immediately. I have to believe that LE/the FBI would have some forensic understanding of how long damp clothes had been off...unless she washed them right away, which would be crummy luck. If she didn’t have some wet workout clothes in the hamper or washer, I’d say it was likely she was wearing them. JMO
Do we know that LE has lied to a suspect in this case?
I'm trying to understand how your post fits in with this case.
Do we know that LE has lied to a suspect in this case?
I'm trying to understand how your post fits in with this case.
Yes, there's been a few that have me confused also.I am trying to figure out how many of the post from the last several hours fit in
I really hope so!If any of you have followed and been haunted (as I have) by the disappearance of Yingying Zhang from the U of Illinois, this situation may seem similar.
Girl goes missing- LE gets video of unique car seen picking her up. I thought to myself at the time, “What’s taking them so long?? It can’t be that hard to find that car!” Come to find out later, LE had a POI very quickly but was waiting to get intel. According to MSM, someone close to POI wore a wire as they attended a vigil with him. The audio surveillance was enough to indict for kidnapping- even though no body has yet been found.
As frustrated as I am with this case, I think LE totally has the timeline and POI nailed...they’re just biding their time to get enough to indict and convict- at least on kidnapping or something else, if not murder. JMO
I think it was a 13 yr old that took her/she as with I think.
UPDATE: Missing 12-year-old Iowa girl found; Amber Alert ends
RMT953 quoted me and shared the link. I dont know how to share a link but its on pg 54
I think it was a 13 yr old that took her/she as with I think.
UPDATE: Missing 12-year-old Iowa girl found; Amber Alert ends
LE can lie to a suspect but it's going to come up at trial and a good defense lawyer would paint it as entrapment and inept police work. There's always a balancing act for LE and prosecutors: you want to catch your perpetrator but you don't want to have him walk free because your evidence is inadmissible due to constitutional or evidentiary violations. There are a number of cases that prohibit evidence from being admitted in court when LE violates certain rights or procedures. If anyone is interested, the "fruit from the poisonous tree" doctrine explains how far reaching the consequences can be for LE overreach.
the question wasn't about when it was posted but rather when it was pinned.That Amber Alert incident occurred 11/20/2017.
MT posted her tweet 11/14/2017.
That girl is not the one.
You’re exactly right. I have absolutely no issue with such databases being used to find suspects in major crimes. It’s an arduous process, from what I understand. It’s such a tremendous tool, and has the potential to solve many more cases that have DNA, but no suspect to link it to. My privacy concerns are what may come down the road, but it’s not a huge concern of mine, as I don’t foresee a climate that would allow this data to impact people on a personal level (health insurance etc).I agree, if you are helping catch a killer, I'm not really fixated on the rights of a second or third cousin I've never heard of.
The thing about DNA testing is that no one sees your DNA or can make any health-related decisions about it. Now, if insurance companies could subponea your DNA, and actually comb through it, then maybe. However, your entire DNA (or genome, I think it may be called) is not tested, but certain locations (and each company tests different ones). Each tester is given a list of "matches" or cousins -- just their names or nicknames -- along with a predicted relationship -- 2nd to 4th cousin, fifth to remote cousin, etc.
HOWEVER, the predictions don't mean much. DNA is wild and each person can get more DNA from one side of the family than the other. My sister and I tested and it's very interesting each matches the most.
You MUST work DNA tests. You are not just handed your family tree. You have to work your matches' trees in order to determine even which side of the family your match is on. For lots of people that is very difficult to do.
SHEW, you got me started! Didn't mean to go into that, but DNA has helped me with relationships there is no documentation for and mainly confirmed the family tree I've been building for years.
It's just another possible tool for LE. Like fingerprinting was when it was first discovered.