Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #124

[Marzipan]

Yes.

Before this simple "Yes" @Ozoner had asked: "So these parents are focused on his repentance? Are they involved with organized religion in any way? Is the father a minister? I ask because ministers change parishes from time to time. The son of a minister might not have grown up in Delphi and might have been something of an outsider. He could have had resentment against the community."

@Ravenmoon, I think that your theory makes a lot of sense if we are asking ourselves who LE suspected -- or wanted to rule out, or hoped would confess -- at the time of the April press conference. After looking at the scanner thread, especially, I understand a bit about this theory.

But it's 9 months later now. In hindsight, it looks like that theory may have passed. The person didn't confess, the person is perhaps doing quite well. He is perhaps totally innocent but had to be hail-Mary pressed hard upon for some reason, such as that he or his vehicle was seen there. Maybe he helped search.

Your person fits what LE believed at the time: local, they've talked to him, younger than believed before, religious, might have enough of a conscience still to confess, etc., etc.

I don't think the person you are likely referring to matches the video of BG at all, although quite well matches the second sketch. I don't think he is BG. I don't think he's the murderer.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Do they allow non-specialist volunteers help? I know that in different genealogy databases, they allow volunteers help with digitizing the data. Potentially, the same could help here.

I have never seen volunteer work of this nature, since it deals heavily with network security and so forth.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[rosesfromangels]

Before this simple "Yes" @Ozoner had asked: "So these parents are focused on his repentance? Are they involved with organized religion in any way? Is the father a minister? I ask because ministers change parishes from time to time. The son of a minister might not have grown up in Delphi and might have been something of an outsider. He could have had resentment against the community."

@Ravenmoon, I think that your theory makes a lot of sense if we are asking ourselves who LE suspected -- or wanted to rule out, or hoped would confess -- at the time of the April press conference. After looking at the scanner thread, especially, I understand a bit about this theory.

But it's 9 months later now. In hindsight, it looks like that theory may have passed. The person didn't confess, the person is perhaps doing quite well. He is perhaps totally innocent but had to be hail-Mary pressed hard upon for some reason, such as that he or his vehicle was seen there. Maybe he helped search.

Your person fits what LE believed at the time: local, they've talked to him, younger than believed before, religious, might have enough of a conscience still to confess, etc., etc.

I don't think the person you are likely referring to matches the video of BG at all, although quite well matches the second sketch. I don't think he is BG. I don't think he's the murderer.

We have been instructed by our Mods to call in legit tips to LE, and not discuss them on the thread. So, please do and let LE sort it out. You never know!

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Charlot123]

Before this simple "Yes" @Ozoner had asked: "So these parents are focused on his repentance? Are they involved with organized religion in any way? Is the father a minister? I ask because ministers change parishes from time to time. The son of a minister might not have grown up in Delphi and might have been something of an outsider. He could have had resentment against the community."

@Ravenmoon, I think that your theory makes a lot of sense if we are asking ourselves who LE suspected -- or wanted to rule out, or hoped would confess -- at the time of the April press conference. After looking at the scanner thread, especially, I understand a bit about this theory.

But it's 9 months later now. In hindsight, it looks like that theory may have passed. The person didn't confess, the person is perhaps doing quite well. He is perhaps totally innocent but had to be hail-Mary pressed hard upon for some reason, such as that he or his vehicle was seen there. Maybe he helped search.

Your person fits what LE believed at the time: local, they've talked to him, younger than believed before, religious, might have enough of a conscience still to confess, etc., etc.

I don't think the person you are likely referring to matches the video of BG at all, although quite well matches the second sketch. I don't think he is BG. I don't think he's the murderer.

Neither do I. In fact, I think he doesn't even resemble their sketch. He might have own issues, but he doesn't look like BG in the video, either. He doesn't sound like BG to me.

LE is slow. At the time when they had to look at the vehicle parked at CPS building, they were chasing Colorado trace and RL. Two years later, they are looking at the CPS parking lot. Odd to say the least.

 

[Charlot123]

I have never seen volunteer work of this nature, since it deals heavily with network security and so forth.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Too bad because without such help, it will take them eons of time.
They don't need to allow volunteers access to their database. Rather, scan and email papers and people would send them back flash disks. I think this is doable. Not that it is the best idea, but the best databases were done by volunteers.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Neither do I. In fact, I think he doesn't even resemble their sketch. He might have own issues, but he doesn't look like BG in the video, either. He doesn't sound like BG to me.

LE is slow. At the time when they had to look at the vehicle parked at CPS building, they were chasing Colorado trace and RL. Two years later, they are looking at the CPS parking lot. Odd to say the least.

The sketch has a slight resemblance.
And, I don't put much weight on the it anyway.
My theory is based on a lot of research and also on things that fall into place (for me) .
Do I know for a fact that this is BG?
No.
It's my opinion based on more than a video and sketch.
The car at the CPS building doesn't necessarily have anything to do with my reasoning.
The fact that there hasn't been an arrest , to me, simply means that the coaxing of the individual and his family did not give the result that was desperately hoped for.

I would also like to add this:
I don't want it to be who I think that it is.
I would much rather be wrong.

AMOO JMO

 

[I wonder]

Or, "hey I'll take your picture down there, let's go down the hill", something along those lines.

JMO

I don't think this is likely at all. Every child and especially girls are taught, from a fairly early age, not to go wurh strangers. It has been said that Libby and Abby discussed BG and Libby felt the need to film him, so I really don't think they would go with him in this scenario.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

I don't think this is likely at all. Every child and especially girls are taught, from a fairly early age, not to go wurh strangers. It has been said that Libby and Abby discussed BG and Libby felt the need to film him, so I really don't think they would go with him in this scenario.

If they knew him as someone who had taken photographs at their school or sporting events they might be less wary of him.

 

[Ravenmoon]

AMOO JMO

If they knew him as someone who had taken photographs at their school or sporting events they might be less wary of him.

If I am wrong, I am sure someone will correct me=
It has been released that the girls had referred to him as "that creepy guy".
If they knew him from elsewhere, there would have been something noted suggesting so.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't think this is likely at all. Every child and especially girls are taught, from a fairly early age, not to go wurh strangers. It has been said that Libby and Abby discussed BG and Libby felt the need to film him, so I really don't think they would go with him in this scenario.

I agree it’s also seems to me extremely unlikely Libby and Abby willingly went down the hill towards the river as a result of any pleasant nonchalant-type directive from a stranger considering other information we’ve learned. Yes, LE commented about Libby having the fortitude to video the man on the bridge says to me she did so intentionally and further, the portion of the audio the family was allowed to listen to (end of the trail) also indicates the girls seemed to be leery of the man walking on the bridge.

I don’t think they recognized him though, given Libby had her video on to take the video, to record the “girl talk”, through to the interaction with the perpetrator. As she was wise enough to do all that, why would neither talk about his identity?

 

[Charlot123]

The sketch has a slight resemblance.
And, I don't put much weight on the it anyway.
My theory is based on a lot of research and also on things that fall into place (for me) .
Do I know for a fact that this is BG?
No.
It's my opinion based on more than a video and sketch.
The car at the CPS building doesn't necessarily have anything to do with my reasoning.
The fact that there hasn't been an arrest , to me, simply means that the coaxing of the individual and his family did not give the result that was desperately hoped for.

I would also like to add this:
I don't want it to be who I think that it is.
I would much rather be wrong.

AMOO JMO

I often think that BG from the video was either hired, or maybe participated but was not the most involved person. BG might have already disappeared - "done his job", so to say. This could explain the difference between the two sketches. The person "responsible" and the "executor". Two different people.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I agree it’s also seems to me extremely unlikely Libby and Abby willingly went down the hill towards the river as a result of any pleasant nonchalant-type directive from a stranger considering other information we’ve learned. Yes, LE commented about Libby having the fortitude to video the man on the bridge says to me she did so intentionally and further, the portion of the audio the family was allowed to listen to (end of the trail) also indicates the girls seemed to be leery of the man walking on the bridge.

I don’t think they recognized him though, given Libby had her video on to take the video, to record the “girl talk”, through to the interaction with the perpetrator. As she was wise enough to do all that, why would neither talk about his identity?

I agree that the girls would not have headed down the hill because of a casual invitation. I do though think they would have if told something like “Guys, I’m a bridge inspector. This bridge is unsafe. You will have to cross the creek, down the hill, to get back across”. This could fill in the gaps in the audio, which would be important info LE is keeping to themselves.
This is part of Theory #4357 that I’ve come up with. Ask me tomorrow and I will probably tell you why this could not possibly be the case. Theories are pretty fluid for me, running like a wild river.

 

[Yemelyan]

I agree that the girls would not have headed down the hill because of a casual invitation. I do though think they would have if told something like “Guys, I’m a bridge inspector. This bridge is unsafe. You will have to cross the creek, down the hill, to get back across”. This could fill in the gaps in the audio, which would be important info LE is keeping to themselves.
This is part of Theory #4357 that I’ve come up with. Ask me tomorrow and I will probably tell you why this could not possibly be the case. Theories are pretty fluid for me, running like a wild river.

This is a scenario I've thought is likely for a long time. Hey guys, I'm a police officer (or other authority figure) and you're trespassing right now. You're going to have to go down the hill.

 

[SMK777]

I agree it’s also seems to me extremely unlikely Libby and Abby willingly went down the hill towards the river as a result of any pleasant nonchalant-type directive from a stranger considering other information we’ve learned. Yes, LE commented about Libby having the fortitude to video the man on the bridge says to me she did so intentionally and further, the portion of the audio the family was allowed to listen to (end of the trail) also indicates the girls seemed to be leery of the man walking on the bridge.

I don’t think they recognized him though, given Libby had her video on to take the video, to record the “girl talk”, through to the interaction with the perpetrator. As she was wise enough to do all that, why would neither talk about his identity?

Agreed. If they knew him they would have said, “Oh, no, there’s creepy X from X, etc.”.

When I first heard the audio of “down the hill” I assumed he’d pulled a gun on them and was acting like a criminal, and they had obeyed out of sheer terror.

With the addition of “Guys” and with speculation that he may NOT have been commanding them, and had initially tried to appear NON-criminal, it seems possible he may have presented a fake badge and said, “Guys, no one is allowed on this bridge; it’s unsafe and you’ve got to leave immediately, here follow me down the hill.” or similar.....I just wish he’d be arrested and all the information would be released.
Whoops, just saw that StarryStarrynight said almost identical in her post. Didn’t mean to copy - had not even read it - YIKES!

 

[Rossymom]

This is part of Theory #4357 that I’ve come up with. Ask me tomorrow and I will probably tell you why this could not possibly be the case. Theories are pretty fluid for me, running like a wild river.

This is why I lose SO much sleep. My mind just won’t shut off in trying to help. I want so badly to see these girl’s families get the answers to what happened on that day.

 

[Yemelyan]

Agreed. If they knew him they would have said, “Oh, no, there’s creepy X from X, etc.”.

When I first heard the audio of “down the hill” I assumed he’d pulled a gun on them and was acting like a criminal, and they had obeyed out of sheer terror.

With the addition of “Guys” and with speculation that he may NOT have been commanding them, and had initially tried to appear NON-criminal, it seems possible he may have presented a fake badge and said, “Guys, no one is allowed on this bridge; it’s unsafe and you’ve got to leave immediately, here follow me down the hill.” or similar.....I just wish he’d be arrested and all the information would be released.
Whoops, just saw that StarryStarrynight said almost identical in her post. Didn’t mean to copy - had not even read it - YIKES!

If the audio reveals a ruse like this (which I think is possible) then this will be so critical for LE to hold back. They will be able to use this info during interrogation to a great advantage, I would think. Can you imagine BG being asked suddenly in an interview, "now if we get a warrant for your house or car, are we going to find a badge or handcuffs, anything like that?" Imagine being LE and being able to see his unsuspecting reaction, since the information was kept completely out of the public?

 

[St. Anthony2017]

AMOO JMO


If I am wrong, I am sure someone will correct me=
It has been released that the girls had referred to him as "that creepy guy".
If they knew him from elsewhere, there would have been something noted suggesting so.

Not if a scarf was covering his face when they first saw him.

 

[Sillybilly]

WS is fact based and speculation about numerology being involved doesn't fall into the fact based category. Such posts have been removed.

 

[SMK777]

If the audio reveals a ruse like this (which I think is possible) then this will be so critical for LE to hold back. They will be able to use this info during interrogation to a great advantage, I would think. Can you imagine BG being asked suddenly in an interview, "now if we get a warrant for your house or car, are we going to find a badge or handcuffs, anything like that?" Imagine being LE and being able to see his unsuspecting reaction, since the information was kept completely out of the public?

Yes, this would give them real leverage, and definitely would be a strong incentive to keep this info from the public.

Just wish an arrest would come. Feels like time is standing still sometimes with this case.

 

[Yemelyan]

Yes, this would give them real leverage, and definitely would be a strong incentive to keep this info from the public.

Just wish an arrest would come. Feels like time is standing still sometimes with this case.

I think any of us who have followed a case that struck us to the core, have felt just like you have. However, keep in mind that there's finding out who committed a murder, and then there's proving it in a court of law, and any of the verified attorneys here will tell you those can be two very different things.

I'm not one of those who believes LE know who did it and are waiting to act, but I do think they are being very careful and deliberate with their actions and from the beginning have had the endgame - successful prosecution - in mind. So I'm okay with waiting even another year if it means this offender eventually gets what he deserves with no chance to wiggle free.