IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #46

[Molecularblonde]

If a cell phone is missing, can LE\FBI find texts and cell phone calls that were made to it? I mean can they see the words in the various texts that were send to Libby's phone? Do they get that from the cloud? Or the cell phone carrier?

 

[Wsimm]

Again, WADR a show of presence for what? The man has been a hot topic of SM and received death threats from same. One could also look at this as the top brass is personally escorting him to send a message that they will not tolerate SM lynchings.

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IMO, I don't think the escorting by the Sheriff of Carroll County was done with the intention to send a message to the public to stop the Internet speculation or possible public speculation in Delphi. Let's face it, however atrocious RL's criminal background is, it's nothing that we don't all see or read in the news weekly and sometimes daily from whatever state we come from! If this was about protection I'm thinking LE would have shown a stronger force?

The girls were found murdered on RL's property. LE discovers he's violated his probation both before and after these girls went missing. LE makes a statement that their attempting to either clear RL completely or move him up higher! All I've heard from LE is "RL is not a suspect, at this time". "At this time", is huge for me, but I can understand others think differently and I appreciate that!

IF and when they clear RL completely I'm expecting a statement from LE. They would almost have too for his protection...Maybe even legally! I'm guessing I'd hear:

"RL is being released from Carroll County Jail today on probation or serving 9 month sentence. RL is not a person of interest nor a suspect in Abby and Libby's murder. LE will not tolerate any harassment in regards to RL personally or publicly and this includes his property! Any such action will be dealt with swiftly from LE"!

If he's innocent I can only expect that his attorney would not only request this but demand it. If RL is cleared LE doesn't want any added, extra problems.

These are just simply my own thoughts. I do want to thank Bemused, what you've added these last 2 days has been awesome! It got a lot of us distracted and away from the RL debate....and back to sleuthing!

 

[otto]

Or the heavy police presence is because that area provided the quickest and easiest access to the location the girls were found.

That's exactly what the suspect would have been thinking as well - what's the best place to murder the girls in ensure easiest access to a vehicle and make a quick getaway.

 

[Yvettea]

That's exactly what the suspect would have been thinking as well - what's the best place to murder the girls in ensure easiest access to a vehicle and make a quick getaway.

I can concede that's what the suspect was probably thinking; the cemetery is one of the best places you can park and no one would think anything of it.

 

[No it's not]

Just a typical silly question from me:

Att he end of the day, does it matter who currently has Libby's phone?

Can you make an argurment for why it would be important for LE to physically have it? I mean, isn't everything she put on it "on the cloud" so to speak?

sorry in advance.
BTW, I live on an Island and we do not have cell phones due to crummy and sporadic reception. So perhaps my question is very dumb...

Here are examples of data or possible evidence extracted directly from the phone or examples of being able to accessing information directly instead of having to go through cell phone carriers or serving SS subpoenas IMO:

Prints (outside, battery, sim card), deleted and hidden data (Sim card), personal information, passwords and logins (stored), photos and apps, videos, all contacts, calls, missed calls, text messages, drafts, emails, email drafts, social media, call logs and deleted call logs among else.

All IMO

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

If a cell phone is missing, can LE\FBI find texts and cell phone calls that were made to it? I mean can they see the words in the various texts that were send to Libby's phone? Do they get that from the cloud? Or the cell phone carrier?

Yes, they can get information including data such as geo-location information, content of text messages and wiretaps, among others. They can get it from the cell phone carrier.

All IMO

-Nin

 

[DeDee]

I quoted an article upthread a few pages that said the searchers had 20-25 square miles to search. In the dark.

Delphi

Land Area 1.5 Square Miles

http://www.idcide.com/citydata/in/delphi.htm

Area: 2.73 sq miles (7.07 km²)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi,_Indiana

 

[whiskers]

Going along with the theory that the girls were placed by the river the same day or later that night.... Perhaps one of the girls remained by the river overnight and the other placed nearby the next morning. As I recall from the search parties and description of the girls on the 13th, Libby weighed close to 200 pounds. Sadly she could have possibly been murdered 1st and her body remained in the same place. Abby could have been taken out of the area for several hours and then her body returned on the 14th in the early hours before search party resumed.

Difference in body weight of the girls makes me question my initial theory they could have been taken out of the area. But with lighter Abby, it's possible. I don't see someone taking a 200 pound person to and from an area so easily.

 

[relay]

I thought they found a lot of blood at crime scene. If so, they were killed there, you do not bleed to much after death. The heart stops beating and pumping the blood.

Just a thought....


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RBBM: I have never heard from LE that there was any blood at the crime scene. Do you have a link for this? Thank you!

 

[Burnt Toast]

I thought they found a lot of blood at crime scene. If so, they were killed there, you do not bleed to much after death. The heart stops beating and pumping the blood.

Just a thought....


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what makes you think they found a lot of blood at the CS?

 

[Molecularblonde]

Here are examples of data or possible evidence extracted directly from the phone or examples of being able to accessing information directly instead of having to go through cell phone carriers or serving SS subpoenas IMO:

Prints (outside, battery, sim card), deleted and hidden data (Sim card), personal information, passwords and logins (stored), photos and apps, videos, all contacts, calls, missed calls, text messages, drafts, emails, email drafts, social media, call logs and deleted call logs among else.

All IMO

-Nin

Thank you for your reply!
The physical evidence makes sense, (prints, etc). But all of those other things you mentioned....drafts of emails, texts, etc. Do they exist on the phone and at the "carrier" simultaneously? Meaning are they in duplicate?

 

[Bemused]

Delphi

Land Area 1.5 Square Miles

http://www.idcide.com/citydata/in/delphi.htm

Area: 2.73 sq miles (7.07 km²)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi,_Indiana

That's the city of Delphi, isn't it? I believe RL's property and the Monon High Bridge may be in Carroll County, technically, because the Sheriff said CCSO has lead, TTBOMK.

Jethro? Anyone familiar with property records?

ETA Where I live the Sheriff's Dept of my county patrols unincorporated areas, areas they're contracted to provide policing, are in charge of the county jail, court policing, and is part of the coroner's office. Maybe it's different in Delphi/CC.

 

[Zac90]

The original photo is the enlarged pixelated photo. There is no photo showing the entire bridge. That was a photo a sleuther made based on where they thought he was on the bridge. The two highly pixelated photos are the only ones LE released.

 

[No it's not]

Ditto. I am five two on a good day. Even a smaller guy with a bow and arrow would terrify me. And I'm a runner.

BBM


Interesting thought.

All MO

-Nin

 

[franci]

I also found it strange that they needed an autopsy to identify the bodies since they were missing such a short time.

I think the autopsy is usually performed to discover cause of death rather than identity. Even if the cause of death is glaringly apparent it can tell LE about weapons used and nature of injuries that in turn can reveal a lot about the perp and modus operandi, motive etc

 

[Madhom]

Ditto. I am five two on a good day. Even a smaller guy with a bow and arrow would terrify me. And I'm a runner.

Or a crossbow.

 

[cluciano63]

We won't know a bit more than we do now, imo, unless there is a trial. Frustrating but true. I can't think of anything LE would be likely to release any sooner as details of the crime won't help the public identify the killer. They had expert advice all the way through and if it was thought some details would help, they would have released them. We can only wait and hope for an arrest.

Crime reporters, if they exist, don't dig deep anymore and if they do, they don't report anything that they discover, unless LE gives the okay. The kind of reporters that do, probably are reporting rumors that can't be verified anyway.

I have poked around social media a bit, more than I normally do, and am not finding much from rumors via locals either. Just rehashing, <modsnip [

I think if an arrest comes, it will be sudden and out of nowhere but who knows how far off that may be.

Jmo

 

[KayCherry]

I love reading all the posts, so much thank you all so much. I wanted to say that if I was walking the bridge I would definitely walk in the middle. I would never walk to one side unless someone was coming in my direction and out of courtesy would move then and only then. I find it odd BG is walking on the "side" not middle, just something that caught my eye.

 

[montanasleuth]

here is the turn around times by state. It shows if you do have a suspect that the turn around time is longer. i don't know why that would be.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

I wonder if the longer time for processing when a suspect is involved is related to ensuring accuracy before clearing them rather than simply trying to find a match out there. It is a curious difference .....

 

[Jethro4WS]

Jethro...didn't you actually see this path? So, terrain is fairly easy to walk down to creek from cemetary?

No, I haven't seen it personally. However, you can see it - at least the upper parts of it - in the helicopter video and in photos taken in the cemetery. I know of where it starts and ends from LIDAR maps of the area. With heavy water run off, water will flow down it to the creek - IndianaMap hydrology overlays show this.

I wish that it were possible for me to get to Delphi so that I could see, photograph, video, and properly map and document that path as well as the others that are in those woods on both the north and south sides. Like most everyone else I am dependent on the videos others post and their photos. I know that a video was posted the other day that showed the deer stand. It also showed the path. Unfortunately, that person (for their own reasons) was only determined to get from the bridge to the cemetery rather than, say, to where the crime scene is.