IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #83

[HoldySi]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with the Illinois "accent." I live in Central IL but of course I'm familiar with other areas of IL. Yes, as you go down south there is a bit more of a southern "twang" perhaps, but how is that different from IN? I feel that both states have extremely similar sounding accents (with the exception of Chicago, which has it's own unique accent) and both states vary in their accents based on location (for example both southern IN and southern IL have similar accents whereas the central areas of both states have less southern sounding accents). I truly feel like parts of IL and parts of IN have no accent. I consider myself to be in that bunch. No twang, no specific emphasis on certain parts of words, etc. All of that being said, all we hear is three words. Can we really base what state someone is from on that alone? I have a tough time thinking so.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Hi I think it was mentioned at the press conference when Carter referred to the guy on his right. Can't remember exactly but I got that impression.

In your opinion Shire, do you think it’s possible this system could have missed something? While technology can be extremely helpful, I worry that something can slip through the cracks. MOO


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[kidetect22]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with the Illinois "accent." I live in Central IL but of course I'm familiar with other areas of IL. Yes, as you go down south there is a bit more of a southern "twang" perhaps, but how is that different from IN? I feel that both states have extremely similar sounding accents (with the exception of Chicago, which has it's own unique accent) and both states vary in their accents based on location (for example both southern IN and southern IL have similar accents whereas the central areas of both states have less southern sounding accents). I truly feel like parts of IL and parts of IN have no accent. I consider myself to be in that bunch. No twang, no specific emphasis on certain parts of words, etc. All of that being said, all we hear is three words. Can we really base what state someone is from on that alone? I have a tough time thinking so.

Also an Illinois girl here- my whole life and both of my parents and both set of grandparents have only lived in Illinois and I of course notice no particular accent but I will say when I was younger I was at Disney world and was ordering food and the lady behind me said.. “let me guess, you you are a Midwest girl” I started laughing and said yes, why?! I thought it was more maybe a way I ordered like “unsweet tea” or “pop” instead of soda where different parts of the country always order sweet tea or say soda instead of pop. But Midwest is a wide range in my opinion. I’ve never noticed a big change in accents from Iowa, to Illinois, to Indiana or even Ohio. Now I do feel missiourians have a certain accent. I wouldn’t be surprised though if BG is from Illinois. It’s a neighboring state!

Sorry, also adding that I do think BG is local-not is Delphi but of a surrounding town! All my own opinion. But with that said as well he dresses like every man from the Midwest and I could maybe even go out on a limb and say maybe he spends lots of time in another neighboring state like Kentucky. I hear more of that accent than an Illinois accent.

 

[coffeeandacig]

Otto's post mentions Weichman Pig Co. being in Delphi and near Evansdale.

JTOL... But, if the SK geographic thumb print rings true, and Macomb IL forms the triangle, then Weichman Pig Co. comes into play again.
Macomb, IL is directly between the Weichman Pig Co. in Beardstown (30 mi. south) and Weichman Pig Co. in Monmouth (30 miles directly north).

Also, there's only one Weichman "buying station" in Indiana (Delphi) and two in Illinois (Beardstown & Monmouth).

 

[curiousgene]

I was very disappointed with the press conference of ISP but, after thinking a lot about the place where the conference was held, no mention of the reward and the tipline. I think ISP may not have all the pieces of the puzzle together but they do have an assumption of who BG could be. Every state/local police department has reliable sources (informant) who do provide them with important information about criminal activities and possible criminals in a town, neighbouring town. ISP must have received some information about BG from such sources but maybe it's not enough for a conviction and want someone specific to come forward and identify BG fearlessly and that LE will provide them with the protection they need.

 

[AlixVR]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with the Illinois "accent." I live in Central IL but of course I'm familiar with other areas of IL. Yes, as you go down south there is a bit more of a southern "twang" perhaps, but how is that different from IN? I feel that both states have extremely similar sounding accents (with the exception of Chicago, which has it's own unique accent) and both states vary in their accents based on location (for example both southern IN and southern IL have similar accents whereas the central areas of both states have less southern sounding accents). I truly feel like parts of IL and parts of IN have no accent. I consider myself to be in that bunch. No twang, no specific emphasis on certain parts of words, etc. All of that being said, all we hear is three words. Can we really base what state someone is from on that alone? I have a tough time thinking so.

I lived in various parts of IL for many years. It is hard to tell based on so few words, but to me, BG's accent doesn't sound like that of anyone native to the area north of the Indy-Decatur, IL-Springfield, IL line. It does sound similar to the accents of people from areas south of there to around the KY line. The people who would pronounce the word "wash" like "warsh". If I had to put it on a map, I would think of the area from Louisville, KY west to MO around the Cape Girardeau area (and probably further west than that, but I don't know enough people from those areas to compare), and then up to the Springfield-Indy line. Given Delphi is close to I-65, probably areas in southern IN down to Louisville would be a place to look at, but the areas around I-69 and I-70 are possible, too. Just a guess. MOO.

 

[Shiressleuth]

In your opinion Shire, do you think it’s possible this system could have missed something? While technology can be extremely helpful, I worry that something can slip through the cracks. MOO


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Well it is obviously going to be a database of some sort by name with maybe number of tips received, DNA taken then info about whereabouts on that day. Probably will include priors and RSO status, employment etc. In theory nothing should be missed, however, an alibi can only be as good as the person giving it and someone could be lying for that person. BG may have something on that person that means they are saving there own skin too. Eg. If they helped wash or get rid of the clothes, weapon etc.

 

[No it's not]

Not sure what to make out of this. You decide yourself.

The victims were located app. 50 feet off the creek:

BBM
'Riley said the girls’ bodies were found in a wooded area about 50 feet from the banks of Deer Creek..'
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

This is GE with a marked shoreline of app. 50 feet in:
https://imgur.com/a/Abqnu

This is from the Beacon Carrol County map (edited by me), where one can lookup property parcels and ownership info:
https://imgur.com/a/bqXyx

Strangely that narrow area I marked in red in the Beacon map, the area from app. the middle of the creek all the way to RL's property line, says "no information available" regarding ownership.

I find it therefore highly coincidental, that the bodies were found right off that particular area and on RL's property!

Coincidence?

All IMO

-Nin

Source:
Google Earth Pro, Carrol County Property Search Schneider Corp.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Not sure what to make out of this. You decide yourself.

The victims were located app. 50 feet off the creek:

BBM
'Riley said the girls’ bodies were found in a wooded area about 50 feet from the banks of Deer Creek..'
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

This is GE with a marked shoreline of app. 50 feet in:
https://imgur.com/a/Abqnu

This is from the Beacon Carrol County map (edited by me), where one can lookup property parcels and ownership info:
https://imgur.com/a/bqXyx

Strangely that narrow area I marked in red in the Beacon map, the area from app. the middle of the creek all the way to RL's property line, says "no information available" regarding ownership.

I find it therefore highly coincidental, that the bodies were found right off that particular area and on RL's property!

Coincidence?

All IMO

-Nin

Source:
Google Earth Pro, Carrol County Property Search Schneider Corp.

Which leads me to think BG knew exactly where he was going to take the girls. BG knows this area. I keep going back to RL’s statement about how his son would play back there with his friends. I still wonder if BG is one of those “friends”? I do not believe RL had anything directly to do with the girls’ murders, but I sure hope someone has checked out (year books, etc) RL’s son’s friends. I have always thought BG grew up in Delphi, but moved away. This would make sense. MOO


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[ocgrad]

Not sure what to make out of this. You decide yourself.

The victims were located app. 50 feet off the creek:

BBM
'Riley said the girls’ bodies were found in a wooded area about 50 feet from the banks of Deer Creek..'
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

This is GE with a marked shoreline of app. 50 feet in:
https://imgur.com/a/Abqnu

This is from the Beacon Carrol County map (edited by me), where one can lookup property parcels and ownership info:
https://imgur.com/a/bqXyx

Strangely that narrow area I marked in red in the Beacon map, the area from app. the middle of the creek all the way to RL's property line, says "no information available" regarding ownership.

I find it therefore highly coincidental, that the bodies were found right off that particular area and on RL's property!

Coincidence?

All IMO

-Nin

Source:
Google Earth Pro, Carrol County Property Search Schneider Corp.

I always found it odd that it was a week after they arrested him before they went back and did the big search. If they were looking for evidence against RL why wait a week in which anything could be planted or removed. I've wanted to know what they were looking for and what they removed and why the timing.

 

[ocgrad]

Not sure what to make out of this. You decide yourself.

The victims were located app. 50 feet off the creek:

BBM
'Riley said the girls’ bodies were found in a wooded area about 50 feet from the banks of Deer Creek..'
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

This is GE with a marked shoreline of app. 50 feet in:
https://imgur.com/a/Abqnu

This is from the Beacon Carrol County map (edited by me), where one can lookup property parcels and ownership info:
https://imgur.com/a/bqXyx

Strangely that narrow area I marked in red in the Beacon map, the area from app. the middle of the creek all the way to RL's property line, says "no information available" regarding ownership.

I find it therefore highly coincidental, that the bodies were found right off that particular area and on RL's property!

Coincidence?

All IMO

-Nin

Source:
Google Earth Pro, Carrol County Property Search Schneider Corp.

That unknown area along the creek could be floodplain. It seemed like what we call bottoms where their bodies were located. Perhaps it was a coincidence just moving up and away from the creek into an area with more cover.

 

[TheVisual]

Which leads me to think BG knew exactly where he was going to take the girls. BG knows this area. I keep going back to RL’s statement about how his son would play back there with his friends. I still wonder if BG is one of those “friends”? I do not believe RL had anything directly to do with the girls’ murders, but I sure hope someone has checked out (year books, etc) RL’s son’s friends. I have always thought BG grew up in Delphi, but moved away. This would make sense. MOO


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Please be careful per TOS, we don't want to get shut down AGAIN.

 

[crhedBngr]

Not sure what to make out of this. You decide yourself.

The victims were located app. 50 feet off the creek:

BBM
'Riley said the girls’ bodies were found in a wooded area about 50 feet from the banks of Deer Creek..'
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

This is GE with a marked shoreline of app. 50 feet in:
https://imgur.com/a/Abqnu

This is from the Beacon Carrol County map (edited by me), where one can lookup property parcels and ownership info:
https://imgur.com/a/bqXyx

Strangely that narrow area I marked in red in the Beacon map, the area from app. the middle of the creek all the way to RL's property line, says "no information available" regarding ownership.

I find it therefore highly coincidental, that the bodies were found right off that particular area and on RL's property!

Coincidence?

All IMO

-Nin

Source:
Google Earth Pro, Carrol County Property Search Schneider Corp.

Nin: Excellent catch! Yes, this really makes one wonder.

 

[ocgrad]

Otto's post mentions Weichman Pig Co. being in Delphi and near Evansdale.

JTOL... But, if the SK geographic thumb print rings true, and Macomb IL forms the triangle, then Weichman Pig Co. comes into play again.
Macomb, IL is directly between the Weichman Pig Co. in Beardstown (30 mi. south) and Weichman Pig Co. in Monmouth (30 miles directly north).

Also, there's only one Weichman "buying station" in Indiana (Delphi) and two in Illinois (Beardstown & Monmouth).

One of the first things I noticed is the proximity to Indiana Packers. The road just east of the plant becomes the road that goes under the bridge. Then I brought it up on Google Maps and started reading the reviews, mostly written by truckers waiting to pick up a load. Looks like all day wait times are normal.

 

[carbuff]

One of the first things I noticed is the proximity to Indiana Packers. The road just east of the plant becomes the road that goes under the bridge. Then I brought it up on Google Maps and started reading the reviews, mostly written by truckers waiting to pick up a load. Looks like all day wait times are normal.

I noticed that too. Also that the plant is quite near the high school, so they could have easily seen it wasn't in session that day.

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[sistershane]

NO ONE-can tell any accent or anything with the 3 sec. audio we've heard! Concentrate instead-on his clothes-as LE stated. That is a brown fanny pack he's wearing-sgt Holcomb said that-more than once-Le have stated this., but, it's not a common looking one with just a zip.
. Snap up blue jacket, a cap, let. colored hoodie, light colored jeans-loose fit. Black vans with white stripes-
someone will remeber that fanny pack-i'm hard pressed to find anything just like it-seems to be attached to his belt-or around waist, but i'm thinking morte likely belt. It seems to have a darker brown pathch in middle-is that where he snaps it shut? Or just a patch. I know a guy in Iowa who says the dk. blue jacket-BG's wearing looks like ones he's seen on guys in 40's..it snaps-not zips.

 

[sistershane]

FYI:
According to Anna Williams-Abby's Mother-
a website will be up soon, with pictures and information about Abby & Libby
Students at ivy tech are developing it, and Anna's brother is an IT specialist. He'll be managing it for Anna and Becky.
It will have pictures, audio, and information about Abby & Libby, and there will be new flyers to download, which will include the website information.
Anna said she will let everyone know when it's up and running!

 

[catastrophe_]

Which leads me to think BG knew exactly where he was going to take the girls. BG knows this area. I keep going back to RL’s statement about how his son would play back there with his friends. I still wonder if BG is one of those “friends”? I do not believe RL had anything directly to do with the girls’ murders, but I sure hope someone has checked out (year books, etc) RL’s son’s friends. I have always thought BG grew up in Delphi, but moved away. This would make sense. MOO

I have been of this thought since day one.
Also in my opinion... I believe that for this specific 'unmarked' property that was mentioned here up thread by NIN, would be extremely fortuitous piece of land to own or have rights to, for use in hunting or fishing at... as from what I have seen throughout all of this, it really is a beautiful patch of land that hugs right along the creek, and just far enough up in to the wooded forest area...

It certainly would be seen as an advantageous piece of land to actually own or be able to claim as yours to use if you fancied fishing in a creek.

From earlier on in the threads I recall there was a deer-hunting-stand and another small shed/building to be found somewhere around, on, or near RL's property...
Does anyone remember or have a link, if the deer-stand or building-shed was actually located WITHIN this little 'unmarked' area, or on RL's land?

 

[mtnlites]

I was just thinking about this last night...except for the release of the sketch, which came several months after their deaths, they haven't released a single shred of "evidence" or any REAL information and they've been cagey about what info they do have. What we have is basically information that we've pieced together from reading between the lines in LE's interviews and stuff that the families have released in social media chats. Officially, we have a grainy picture, a sketch that some people don't even think resembles said grainy picture, and a 2-second audio clip of 3 words. It took half a year before we even officially got a breakdown of the significant times. No wonder this case is so frustrating.

 

[kidetect22]

I was just thinking about this last night...except for the release of the sketch, which came several months after their deaths, they haven't released a single shred of "evidence" or any REAL information and they've been cagey about what info they do have. What we have is basically information that we've pieced together from reading between the lines in LE's interviews and stuff that the families have released in social media chats. Officially, we have a grainy picture, a sketch that some people don't even think resembles said grainy picture, and a 2-second audio clip of 3 words. It took half a year before we even officially got a breakdown of the significant times. No wonder this case is so frustrating.

Hallelujah!!! Couldn’t agree more. We have not much to go off of and that is why people start doing so much of their own research... just saying!