"Jersey" and MW #2

[hambirg]

There are some things I need to know before believing that Jersey took BL.

The eyewitness(es), if you believe the woman saw the man too, originally described the man as tall. Jersey, by not any sense of the word, can be described as tall. Have they been shown a line-up? Did they pick him out? Maybe they have ID'd somebody else and we just don't know.

While I believe that Jersey is just a small time thief, he is a career criminal who has done time. I don't think that somebody with his criminal knowledge would attempt to use the phones he just took along with a baby. He would know that is too risky. However, if he just had some stolen phones that he didn't know were attached to the disappearance of a child, he might.

I have to wonder if Jersey had a phone of his own. We haven't heard how the neighbors contacted him for his handyman work. Have the Watson's said he was using MW's phone as a contact number? Was he using a different number? Did he have a contact number at all?

About the 11:57pm attempted phone call. The sighting was at 12:15am. Assuming a kidnapper wouldn't hang around inside the house and try to make a phone call from there, if we believe an abductor took the phones and BL, then the call was after he took BL. Does it take 18 minutes to get from the house on Lister to where the sighting was? I don't think so. So who would take a baby and hang around? I think if your stealing a baby you would want to get away from the scene of the crime as quickly as possible. Idk, it just doesn't add up to me.

For some reason I think somebody tapped on that window and the phones were passed out to whoever it was. DB to Jersey? Maybe, we just don't know.

ETA-All MOO

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I suspect the phones were discarded by whomever removed Lisa from the home, and Jersey, or someone found and used them. JMHO, FWIW, MOO and so on.

 

[Dr. Know?]

What does that mean... "he has not been disposed"? Thanks in advance...

Well, his court date on 11/15/11 says he was being disposed. That court docket with the case info (warrant, motions etc..) disappeared that day and a new one dated 11/15/11 with one entry on the docket, & the header of it, I believe says he has not been disposed. Same charge on both dockets. Something happened on the 15th it appears. By the morning of the 16th, another court docket from Clay Co. was made confidential. Whatever is going on, I hope it finds Lisa.

 

[cityslick]

Please post the "load" of evidence showing use they do not know each other. I don't know if DB is involved or not, but her and JI's actions and refusal to cooperate with police and doing her no favors.

This case does remind me of HaLeigh's case with regard to all the unsavory characters involved and the people looking for their 15 mins. at the expense of a child. And as many here know I was (and still am) adamant that RC had nothing to do w/ that disappearance. I think Misty knows something but I don't think she killed HaLeigh.

My opinion of these cases are based on my observations and personal experiences, as are yours. Until the crime is solved, no one here knows what did or did not happen. But we are all allowed to voice our opinions and express our ideas. Just because they are different doesn't mean they are wrong, or that anyone is "determined to fit a square peg in a round hole". Moo.

BBM

The only 'evidence' we have is MW's statement that she didn't know her. Are you aware of evidence that does prove they may know each other?

You asking to try and prove a negative.

 

[tink92]

BBM

The only 'evidence' we have is MW's statement that she didn't know her. Are you aware of evidence that does prove they may know each other?

You asking to try and prove a negative.

Plus the phone records slick!...no calls between them in the last 12 months was it?

 

[curvecuti]

BBM

The only 'evidence' we have is MW's statement that she didn't know her. Are you aware of evidence that does prove they may know each other?

You asking to try and prove a negative.

:waitasec: I didn't post there was any evidence of either sort. The post I quoted said there was a "load" of evidence that pointed to them not knowing each other. I have not seen any evidence in this case at all. If there is a "load" of evidence that shows the two did not know each other I would like to see it. There is a difference between an opinion and evidence.

 

[cityslick]

:waitasec: I didn't post there was any evidence of either sort. The post I quoted said there was a "load" of evidence that pointed to them not knowing each other. I have not seen any evidence in this case at all. If there is a "load" of evidence that shows the two did not know each other I would like to see it. There is a difference between an opinion and evidence.

Ah ok, I misinterpreted.

 

[tink92]

:waitasec: I didn't post there was any evidence of either sort. The post I quoted said there was a "load" of evidence that pointed to them not knowing each other. I have not seen any evidence in this case at all. If there is a "load" of evidence that shows the two did not know each other I would like to see it. There is a difference between an opinion and evidence.

I have been over and over in this thread and others maybe "evidence" is the wrong word..As cityslick says you can't prove a negative.

There are several compelling reasons that demonstrate that MW and DB do not know each other..have never met...have never spoken. Iam not going to go over it all again...Iam getting dizzy..lol.



There is not one shred of evidence to demonstate that DB did Know MW...(that we are aware of)...Yet MSM is flooded with information about the connection between MW and Jersey.
LE isn't talking..but that PI..the lawyers have all said on national TV there is NO connection...you can't hide things like that...they have been over all the phone records with a fine tooth comb.

 

[Katheryn65]

There is not one shred of evidence to demonstate that DB did Know MW...(that we are aware of)...Yet MSM is flooded with information about the connection between MW and Jersey.
LE isn't talking..but that PI..the lawyers have all said on national TV there is NO connection...you can't hide things like that...they have been over all the phone records with a fine tooth comb.

I myself do not believe DB and MW knew/knows each other. I think some connection would have come up by now. Although this doesn't make me think DB is innocent either.

 

[nursebeeme]

but we cannot possibly know all the evidence that LE has... so to say with a definite that it does not exist is a reach imhoo...

 

[natsound]

I myself do not believe DB and MW knew/knows each other. I think some connection would have come up by now. Although this doesn't make me think DB is innocent either.

What we do know is that Jersey lived across the street from DB for a little while (according to the man with the fur cap). I don't believe DB and MW knew each other either, but DB knew someone on the other end of that phone.

 

[curvecuti]

I have been over and over in this thread and others maybe "evidence" is the wrong word..As cityslick says you can't prove a negative.

There are several compelling reasons that demonstrate that MW and DB do not know each other..have never met...have never spoken. Iam not going to go over it all again...Iam getting dizzy..lol.



There is not one shred of evidence to demonstate that DB did Know MW...(that we are aware of)...Yet MSM is flooded with information about the connection between MW and Jersey.
LE isn't talking..but that PI..the lawyers have all said on national TV there is NO connection...you can't hide things like that...they have been over all the phone records with a fine tooth comb.

There are lots of opinions on here about every aspect of that night. I have not seen any "evidence". If there is some I would like to see it. There is not one shred of evidence that they did not know each other. In fact there is not shred of evidence, period, as far as we know. I know many people I have never talked to on the phone. That, imo, is not evidence they didn't know each other. It means they never talked on the phone.

I have no problem with opinions on what happened, everyone has them. When those opinions are stated as facts/evidence it confuses things even more, imo.

 

[cityslick]

What we do know is that Jersey lived across the street from DB for a little while (according to the man with the fur cap). I don't believe DB and MW knew each other either, but DB knew someone on the other end of that phone.

The issue with that line of thinking is it was MW's phone but shared, how would DB know who had the phone at that moment in time?

 

[curvecuti]

The issue with that line of thinking is it was MW's phone but shared, how would DB know who had the phone at that moment in time?

Why would it matter who had it? If it was a number she used to contact one of the 7 people that used it, she could just ask for them when someone answered. If 7 people are using one phone, odds are you aren't always gonna get the one you are calling anyway.

 

[natsound]

The issue with that line of thinking is it was MW's phone but shared, how would DB know who had the phone at that moment in time?

Right. That's why it could be theorized that all of this may have been set up beforehand.

 

[katshep]

Well, his court date on 11/15/11 says he was being disposed. That court docket with the case info (warrant, motions etc..) disappeared that day and a new one dated 11/15/11 with one entry on the docket, & the header of it, I believe says he has not been disposed. Same charge on both dockets. Something happened on the 15th it appears. By the morning of the 16th, another court docket from Clay Co. was made confidential. Whatever is going on, I hope it finds Lisa.

On the 15th, he waived the preliminary hearing and his arraignment on the felony vehicle tampering charge is set for 11/23 at 8:30 a.m. (Unlike Steve Young, I am specific as to time.) "Not disposed" means the case is still pending. I did not see any indication that the case was sealed or confidential. That would be extraordinary in a 1st degree vehicle tampering case.

 

[cityslick]

Right. That's why it could be theorized that all of this may have been set up beforehand.

How does JI play into all this though? In that theory, is he really just the innocent bystander here? If so, that puts the 'she had no clue when he was going to walk in the door' scenario in play. She planned this assuming he was coming home at 10:30pm?

Or he was in on it and just 'let it happen'? I guess anything is possible but geez that's a troubling thought.

 

[cindysue]

Right. That's why it could be theorized that all of this may have been set up beforehand.

Who do you think she was looking for there? Just curious

 

[natsound]

How does JI play into all this though? In that theory, is he really just the innocent bystander here? If so, that puts the 'she had no clue when he was going to walk in the door' scenario in play. She planned this assuming he was coming home at 10:30pm?

Or he was in on it and just 'let it happen'? I guess anything is possible but geez that's a troubling thought.

I'm on the fence about JI. I lean toward him not being involved, for several different reasons which I better not litter this thread with. Do we know that DB definitely didn't know when JI was coming home? I know Picerno said he tried to call her earlier in the evening to say he was going to be late, and the call was routed to Verizon. I did think that strange, since supposedly DB could get incoming calls.

 

[natsound]

Who do you think she was looking for there? Just curious

With what we know right now, Jersey. But then you have the rumors about Dane having the phone and looking nervous. And who will be the next rogue roommate to come out of the woodwork next week? Our attention may soon be directed to someone else on the other side of that phone! :doh: