Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #28

[SecretGarden]

Do you (or does anybody) remember where it was said (whether it was a news article, a VI or what) that JH face timed with Lucas on the 15th? The reason I'm asking is because I thought a VI told us that they generally used Facebook Messenger. I'm basically starting over and that's become a question for me. Any response is appreciated.

A VI.

 

[Busylady]

I know my grandkids have made tapes for their dad to see when he's away on business. He views it on his computer or phone. So I was thinking maybe JH called this face time for lack of a better word?

Duo doesn't work like that it is live at the moment type thing. If she recorded something she would have to send a video by text or email type thing.

 

[Busylady]

Heck I don't know what to think anymore, there are so many twist and turns.

 

[WildcatRunner]

I just checked phone bill on line and it doesn't show as a call on bill, just shows on my phone history as a call.

That's what I thought too, so I wonder how traceable it is for LE. If you delete it from your phone, is it just lumped into data usage, along with hours of Candy Crush? Or can they specifically pick out the Duo usage somehow, I wonder?

 

[PommyMommy]

In thread 23 liltexan quoted the article and there was also a link. I tried to bring it over but I don’t have a subscription to Wichita Eagle so I couldn’t even view the article. It’s all pretty close to the beginning of the thread.

Thank you. I found it and I can't pull it up either. And I cleared my history. But that's the article where it came out that a neighbor had a QandA with Lucas and that was not at the beginning of the case. That was recent. 5/17, I think.

 

[Busylady]

That's what I thought too, so I wonder how traceable it is for LE. If you delete it from your phone, is it just bumped into data usage, along with hours of Candy Crush? Or can they specifically pick out the Duo usage somehow, I wonder?

Good question, I would hope LE would have access to it through the carrier directly but not sure how that works at all.

 

[SecretGarden]

One additional layer of detail about Lucas that came up at Friday’s hearing: A neighbor came to Glass’ home and saw that she and her daughter were gone — but that 5-year-old Lucas was there. The neighbor had a “Q&A” with Lucas about where Glass was.

New details revealed of police interviews of stepmom after 5-year-old Lucas vanished

This has definitely been confusing. And it doesn’t help that the article doesn’t clearly indicate it was on Friday.

It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. A is an understatement at this point for EGs behavior.

 

[flute4peace]

Thank you for this post, FLA.
I recall feeling so strongly, and I know I'm not alone, that there was a good chance that Lucas was gone well before EG reported it. That LL sighting changed so many of our perspectives.

So, now, hearing otherwise ( even just potentially) is making everything feel more upside down than the usual upside down.

Well put.

 

[Deleted member 221026]

In regards to the LL.

That was info provided to us very early on. Information changes as the details tighten up. It doesn't mean that anyone lied. The LL didn't lie and my former co-VI didn't lie.

Information just changes.

Thank you so much for your contributions and participation at this time in your life. You are so very important to us. I’m so pleased you just came right out and spoke the truth. None of us know. You know. I trust you. Yes, it’s critical we follow the TOS to effectively participate in online group discussions. I also believe there is a time to use your voice in support and defense of those you believe in.

 

[Jackeee]

I hope I’m okay here. The homeless man that went home with EG was killed in a hit and run on April 22. The driver of the car was Michael. EG’s drug dealer IIRC was named Mike. All a coincidence? So many nooks and crannies in finding justice for Lucas.

 

[justchrissy47]

Ugh, what a day! So if I'm understanding correctly, FLA has revealed that the LL seeing and talking to Lucas on the evening before he went missing is currently not confirmed. That would gel with NG's statement about Lucas dying (or in my mind murdered) on the 10th or 11th but right now there's nothing in msm confirming or denying that either.

Quite a mess. As an aside I wish NG would stop interrupting when she's interviewing - sometimes a lot can be garnered by letting a person talk. Also I wish she would have asked about the picture of the man and woman that Glass claimed to have taken and sent to him. But I know there's only so much one can squeeze into interview time. Sigh.

Maybe if she talked less about her personal life....write it in a book Nancy...

 

[SweetPeas56]

I feel like Nancy was trying to hint at this when she asked all the questions about food. Things along the lines of was Emily eating? Did EG have an appetite? How could she eat during such a a stressful time?

I felt like she was creating an opportunity for him to tell her she was pregnant. But he didn’t.




I think JH told an acquaintance that, perhaps after being asked about vday and wondering where LH was. However, I don’t know if he told police this same story. He’s so out of touch with reality, I doubt he remembers the last time he saw LH. Maybe he was too embarrassed to admit it was the day he left the 9th (?).

BBM

This is sadly plausible.

Why is it so hard to stomach the idea he was gone earlier, when we knew all along that he was gone?

It would fit with his school absence. Those at the school must be so shaken, too, especially the poor nurse.

 

[Deleted member 221026]

Trying to figure out how the Landlord's sighting of Lucas is no longer confirmed....

Was LL being dishonest?
Did LL confuse dates?
Did LL see some other child in the home and just assumed it was Lucas?

I remember a couple of earlier threads, these exact questions were asked and attempted to be discussed. There was much confusion and some dissention.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

One additional layer of detail about Lucas that came up at Friday’s hearing: A neighbor came to Glass’ home and saw that she and her daughter were gone — but that 5-year-old Lucas was there. The neighbor had a “Q&A” with Lucas about where Glass was.

New details revealed of police interviews of stepmom after 5-year-old Lucas vanished

Whoa.

 

[perfectingpink]

From WS Post 977 prior thread:
"The biggest problem I have believing he could have died from complications of influenza is Lucas was never reported to have signs and symptoms of influenza. (There can have stomach issues, however, this is usually caused by drainage and is not constant vomiting.)"

Key Facts About Influenza (Flu) | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
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As reported in the Wichita Eagle on April 13/17, 2018, I respectfully disagree Lucas was never reported to have signs/symptoms of flu:

Jan. 23, 2018: The day after the school nurse saw the injuries, Lucas came to her office with a stomachache. The school nurse called Glass, who picked up Lucas, and he returned to school two days later with a note from a pediatric nurse practitioner at GraceMed Jardine Clinic...

The school nurse said that Lucas missed school on Feb. 1 because he was throwing up at school. He vomited again on Feb. 6, and Glass picked him up. He missed the next two days of school.

Feb. 9, 2018: Lucas came to school for the last time. He again had a doctor’s note, this time stating he had a stomach virus. The school nurse said that when she found out that he had not been at school [Feb 12-16], she left two voice messages with Glass.

Feb. 16, 2018: It was a Friday, the day before Glass reported Lucas missing. He was in his room watching a movie ...Glass “admitted she left 5 year old Lucas at home alone,” the document says. “She said she checked on Lucas before she left and he was asleep.”
Horrific new details emerge in court document about missing 5-year-old Lucas Hernandez

IMO, Lucas was not at school the week of February 12 either because he was still sick or deceased.

IMO, the most important revelation today was JH statement that Lucas was treated (being treated) with Rx Zofran. (I believe JH posed a possible problem from this Rx in NG interview).

Although Zofran is only approved for preventing nausea and vomiting for patients about to undergo chemotherapy or surgery, popular off-label use is for Children vomiting, dehydration, and/or flu symptoms. Patients like Lucas may have hidden risk factors that, together with ondansetron (Zofran), could affect the heart's rhythm, leading to QT interval prolongation. This medication also carries a risk of causing slowed or stopped breathing in babies and toddlers. In 2006 the FDA recommended it not be used for children under age 2.

Perhaps we received our our first hint of EG defense ........

These are signs and symptoms of a stomach virus, not influenza. (Adding a smile because that came across dryer than I intended. Here is another one for good measure. )

Is It a Stomach Flu or Influenza?

 

[PommyMommy]

This has definitely been confusing. And it doesn’t help that the article doesn’t clearly indicate it was on Friday.

It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. A is an understatement at this point for EGs behavior.

You're right, it doesn't give the date. But how many times did EG take the baby and leave Lucas home alone? And if it wasn't the afternoon that they went to Olive Garden, why was it brought up at the child endangerment trial?

Here's what it says for anyone who is interested:

One additional layer of detail about Lucas that came up at Friday’s hearing: A neighbor came to Glass’ home and saw that she and her daughter were gone — but that 5-year-old Lucas was there. The neighbor had a “Q&A” with Lucas about where Glass was.

 

[SweetPeas56]

From WS Post 977 prior thread:
"The biggest problem I have believing he could have died from complications of influenza is Lucas was never reported to have signs and symptoms of influenza. (There can have stomach issues, however, this is usually caused by drainage and is not constant vomiting.)"

Key Facts About Influenza (Flu) | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
__________________________________________________
As reported in the Wichita Eagle on April 13/17, 2018, I respectfully disagree Lucas was never reported to have signs/symptoms of flu:

Jan. 23, 2018: The day after the school nurse saw the injuries, Lucas came to her office with a stomachache. The school nurse called Glass, who picked up Lucas, and he returned to school two days later with a note from a pediatric nurse practitioner at GraceMed Jardine Clinic...

The school nurse said that Lucas missed school on Feb. 1 because he was throwing up at school. He vomited again on Feb. 6, and Glass picked him up. He missed the next two days of school.

Feb. 9, 2018: Lucas came to school for the last time. He again had a doctor’s note, this time stating he had a stomach virus. The school nurse said that when she found out that he had not been at school [Feb 12-16], she left two voice messages with Glass.

Feb. 16, 2018: It was a Friday, the day before Glass reported Lucas missing. He was in his room watching a movie ...Glass “admitted she left 5 year old Lucas at home alone,” the document says. “She said she checked on Lucas before she left and he was asleep.”
Horrific new details emerge in court document about missing 5-year-old Lucas Hernandez

IMO, Lucas was not at school the week of February 12 either because he was still sick or deceased.

IMO, the most important revelation today was JH statement that Lucas was treated (being treated) with Rx Zofran. (I believe JH posed a possible problem from this Rx in NG interview).

Although Zofran is only approved for preventing nausea and vomiting for patients about to undergo chemotherapy or surgery, popular off-label use is for Children vomiting, dehydration, and/or flu symptoms. Patients like Lucas may have hidden risk factors that, together with ondansetron (Zofran), could affect the heart's rhythm, leading to QT interval prolongation. This medication also carries a risk of causing slowed or stopped breathing in babies and toddlers. In 2006 the FDA recommended it not be used for children under age 2.

Perhaps we received our our first hint of EG defense ........

Bolded and underlined by me.

no no no. I can't stand the thought! But you're an astute observer. Sigh.

 

[AlwaysHopeToHelp]

Again to you, we thank you for being here with us and doing your best to answer what you can during a difficult time. My heart goes out to you

Why would JH say he face timed with Lucas on the 15th, that would be easy to check by phone records.

he could have spoken to EG on 15th which shows on record. But the video isn’t recorded so we don’t know if he definitely saw Lucas during the call.

 

[enw10110]

I feel like Nancy was trying to hint at this when she asked all the questions about food. Things along the lines of was Emily eating? Did EG have an appetite? How could she eat during such a a stressful time?

I felt like she was creating an opportunity for him to tell her she was pregnant. But he didn’t.

I think JH told an acquaintance that, perhaps after being asked about vday and wondering where LH was. However, I don’t know if he told police this same story. He’s so out of touch with reality, I doubt he remembers the last time he saw LH. Maybe he was too embarrassed to admit it was the day he left the 9th (?).

That's exactly what I thought.

Wow, I gave myself a timeout after my last rant and came back to all of this! The 11th makes SO much sense!

 

[kidetect22]

Caught back up on the last thread and on page 2 here! Making progress.

After FLA says the last confirmed sighting of Lucas was from the neighbors on the 11th, I’m believing more now that Emily killed Lucas after Jonathan went back to work and she had to get rid of Lucas before her boys came back for their next visit to prove to their father she was no longer with Jonathan! Between being pissed at JH for getting CPS involved with his own erratic behavior and needing to “prove” JH was no longer in her life, she chose the avenue of killing Lucas!!!!! Hands down, my theory!