NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[PrairieWind]

As far as the service elevator is concerned, I don't think that is a big deal one way or the other. I could see if a guest, especially a known guest, had a large amount of luggage that the hotel might offer to take him up in the service elevator to accommodate that luggage, Service elevators are larger than the guest elevators. This would also help the hotel in that it prevents a guest elevator from going all the way to the 32nd floor with just one guest. But I just don't see that it matters. Even if he did go up in a service elevator with a bellhop or some other hotel staff, they had no way of knowing what was in the bags.

 

[Only4Justice]

Why do you say that? Asking honestly because I'm thinking about making the trip.

blue sneakers, I'm behind on this thread, but I went to LV once and swore I'd never go back. I was scared the entire time I was there. Granted, I don't gamble. There was just something about the vibes there that scared me. And I travel a lot.

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[bluesneakers]

I think much of the using of service elevators is about guests carrying personal valuable luggage which they do not intend to be parted from, even for a short trip.. Many art works and certain jewellery items is insured on condition the carer does not leave it unattended..
Art works frequently must be transported with a curator or two and cannot be left unattended at any point at all..

This makes so much sense. Thank you. If I had a Van Gogh, for instance, I wouldn't want to be apart from it for a second.

 

[x_files]

blue sneakers, I'm behind on this thread, but I went to LV once and swore I'd never go back. I was scared the entire time I was there. Granted, I don't gamble. There was just something about the vibes there that scared me. And I travel a lot.

IMO


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yep, lots of seedy behavior.

 

[kittythehare]

blue sneakers, I'm behind on this thread, but I went to LV once and swore I'd never go back. I was scared the entire time I was there. Granted, I don't gamble. There was just something about the vibes there that scared me. And I travel a lot.

IMO


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will you describe it, please? Anybody else welcome to respond to this question, too.
I dont have the faintest idea what atmosphere/vibe would be like-I imagine a tad frenetic with some desperation.. but thats just a guess..

 

[bluesneakers]

blue sneakers, I'm behind on this thread, but I went to LV once and swore I'd never go back. I was scared the entire time I was there. Granted, I don't gamble. There was just something about the vibes there that scared me. And I travel a lot.

IMO


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Thanks, and that's interesting. I know people who live there and love it, and people who go there regularly. I would be going for sports and not visiting casinos or the strip. Maybe like any city you just have to know where to go and where to avoid.

 

[Only4Justice]

There was something scary to me. When we took our first cab ride, the driver said to us "when the earth ends, this is the first place that will go". Lol. That scared me. And it was before 9/11! Prostitution was everywhere and I hate the sound of gambling so maybe it's just me!


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[JaneEyre]

From CNN ---Exclusive: Vegas killer described his unusual habits in 2013 testimony
".....The details are contained in a 97-page court deposition obtained exclusively by CNN. Paddock was deposed October 29, 2013 as part of a civil lawsuit against the Cosmopolitan Hotel, where he slipped and fell on a walkway in 2011.

What otherwise would have been a mundane proceeding offers fresh details about Paddock's life and habits -- for the first time -- from the killer's own mouth. The document has been turned over to the FBI, according to sources.

---(snipped)---

Some of the testimony centered on his gambling.

He described himself as being, at one point, the "biggest video poker player in the world."

"How do I know that?" Paddock asked rhetorically. "Because I know some of the video poker players that play big. Nobody played as much and as long as I did."
At the height of his play in 2006, he testified, "I averaged 14 hours a day, 365 days a year."

"I'll gamble all night," he said. "I sleep during the day."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-deposition/index.html

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I continue to wonder if this statement was a glimpse into SPs head. He appears to be boastful in his self-importance claims that he was at one time "the biggest video poker in the world", as if that's truly a significant accomplishment that everyone ought to be aware of. Ordinary people would of course go ppppfffftttttt.

Flash forward four years and he caused the worst massing shooting in modern US history.....

If somebody told me this about themselves, I'd think, what a loser.

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[Gooddeeds]

There are press releases that go back to 2007 that list Joele Frank as the press relations contact for MGM, so IMO it is a little misleading for reports to say they just hired her firm. It appears as though they've had a business relationship for at least a decade, so I don't think it is anything remarkable for MGM to be a client of a PR firm.

-I don’t recall it being specified as a new biz relationship between them. One of the reports I saw said the PR firm has been ‘retained’ as expert counsel on the LV shooter case. One report said an hourly rate in the range of $500-1000 range, another said the final negotiated rate of $1100.

 

[PrairieWind]

will you describe it, please? Anybody else welcome to respond to this question, too.
I dont have the faintest idea what atmosphere/vibe would be like-I imagine a tad frenetic with some desperation.. but thats just a guess..

I go to Vegas occasionally. It can be a lot of fun, but its certainly not for everyone. Just walking up and down the strip is fun and exciting. There is lots to do and see, even if you are not a gambler. It is an exciting and frenetic atmosphere most of the time for sure. There are sleazy parts. Just getting a block off the Strip can put you in bad places. But the Strip is safe for the most part and the resort/casinos are very safe. There are lots of shows, and exhibitions, sports, etc. Excellent restaurants everywhere. I enjoy it, but I can only do a day or two.

 

[bears10]

-I don’t recall it being specified as a new biz relationship between them. One of the reports I saw said the PR firm has been ‘retained’ as expert counsel on the LV shooter case. One report said an hourly rate in the range of $500-1000 range, another said the final negotiated rate of $1100.

I'm not sure what you mean by "expert counsel". Do you have links for these statements? Just curious bc all I've seen was that an unrelated PR firm estimated the $500-1000 figure. I think it's odd, especially in this situation, for a client or PR firm to publicly discuss compensation. JMO

The reason I felt it was a bit misleading is because MGM is already a "regular" client of Joele Frank, so I was surprised to hear talk of a retainer.

Joele Frank is one of a dozen communications firms that MGM regularly uses to help with major communications projects.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...sis-management-firm-in-wake-of-mass-shooting/

 

[zencompass]

I can see why the MGM group would consider spending an enormous amount of money for public relations.

The Vegas Strip is part of Clark County. From the following Clark County website:

"Tourism's economic impact on Clark County for 2016 was nearly $60 billion, including $6.4 billion spent on gambling on the Las Vegas Strip, according to Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority data. There were 161,000 hotel and motel rooms. The average visitor to Las Vegas was 47.7 years old, stayed 3.4 nights at an average daily room rate of $125.96, spending $122.66 per visit shopping, $61.95 per visit for shows. Las Vegas welcomed nearly 43 million visitors and all of Clark County saw 46.2 million visitors (including Laughlin and Mesquite). Most arrived by ground: roughly 57 percent, while nearly 43 percent arrived by plane. The average party has 2.2 adults and has a gaming budget of $578.54, spending an average of 2.9 hours per day gambling. Sixteen percent of our tourists visit from other nations, 25 percent come from Southern California and 16 percent are first-time visitors​."


http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Pages/About.aspx

 

[KaaBoom]

I go to Vegas occasionally. It can be a lot of fun, but its certainly not for everyone. Just walking up and down the strip is fun and exciting. There is lots to do and see, even if you are not a gambler. It is an exciting and frenetic atmosphere most of the time for sure. There are sleazy parts. Just getting a block off the Strip can put you in bad places. But the Strip is safe for the most part and the resort/casinos are very safe. There are lots of shows, and exhibitions, sports, etc. Excellent restaurants everywhere. I enjoy it, but I can only do a day or two.

I used to really like going to Las Vegas, but unfortunately I think most of the stuff I enjoyed is gone now. So I don't have any strong interest in visiting anymore. But the main reason I don't go to casinos is that they are just so damn dirty. If they would clean them up, get rid of the smoking, and improve the food quality, I would go at least for the food. 20 or 30 years ago I was used to smelling tobacco smoke while eating, but not any more. Casinos, just don't seem to change with the times.

I agree that just walking along the Strip is the best part of Las Vegas. It's not really safe, but it's not much more dangerous than any other major city.

 

[zencompass]

The P.R. group will certainly have to put a "spin" on the news that the MGM lawyer argued against the motion for a Court Order to preserve all evidence.

In my opinion, this was a "misstep" on the part of MGM to argue against this because this did not look good in a view to "transparency" as well as looking disrespectful towards the victims of the massacre.

From article (below):

" MGM's lawyers argued the order would be unnecessary, because the evidence was already being preserved for investigators"

http://www.krtv.com/story/36648257/mgm-ordered-to-preserve-evidence-connected-to-las-vegas-shooting
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[human]

Wouldn't celebrities be escorted by security guards while on hotel premises to keep fans away, etc? If so, that's a different scenario than allegations that SP had access to service elevators for employees while unaccompanied.

IRC correctly, this service elevator discussion began with the rumour that MB was an employee and SP had her employee pass card. At that point in time it also wasn't known that SP had been staying at MB ever since Sept 25th. So at that point in time the service elevator was a theory of how SP snuck a large amount of weaponry in.

Now we know of other information including luggage was used and the weapons could be disassembled, yet this service elevator trip still lingers.....

Why please, might someone explain the new theory behind why SP must've or would want to use an employee service elevator and why it's important, given prior reasonings have already been debunked.

Celebrities that I have heard of have body guards.

 

[zencompass]

I found the following article quite informative. Excerpts from article (below):

"The FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are assisting local investigators who must determine whether the killer acted alone, or whether he was aided in the shooting that killed 58 people and wounded hundreds."


"Historically, the FBI and ATF offer assistance tracking the guns, gathering evidence and running information through databases — resources that local jurisdictions often don’t have, said Matt Miller, a Justice Department spokesman for former Attorney General Eric Holder."

"Gun purchases, the surveillance system the gunman used and evidence gathered at the shooting site would be examined “to make sure another gun wasn’t used, another shooter wasn’t involved,” and determine whether someone else did not help him build the electronic gear."



https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...-aiding-the-las-vegas-shooting-investigation/

 

[katsrfun]

Just as an incidental incident, I was in LV one time with my husband. I was just watching people as he checked in, and there was quite a long time, so I had quite a bit of time to people watch in the casino. I saw this very well dressed lady come into the casino, unusually well dressed, and appeared to be very expensive clothes (including high heels, even though I always wear high heels, you don't see them much, a very elegant hat, and an expensive looking fitted suit). She was carrying a large suitcase in her hand, and had no purse. I kind of kept my eye on her, and she was constantly looking around. I saw her walk over to a lady (not as elegant looking as her) sitting at the poker table. She said not one word to anyone, including that lady, and put the suitcase down by the poker table ladies feet. She very quickly exited the casino, no more looking around. I was very intrigued, but my husband basically told me to mind my own business. I don't know what it was, but nothing blew up, so thank God for that. I felt like it was money, but I will never know. Quite suspicious and intriguing was my thought. No one else seemed to notice, and so nothing was made of it. Just a note on weird stuff that happens if you pay attention and look around, like I always do. (My husband calls it nosey!!), Katt

 

[animlzrule]

Thanks, and that's interesting. I know people who live there and love it, and people who go there regularly. I would be going for sports and not visiting casinos or the strip. Maybe like any city you just have to know where to go and where to avoid.

My husband goes almost every year for work, and last spring my son and I went with him for the first time. My impression of LV is pretty much, meh. I don't gamble and have no interest in it, so obviously the city is not trying to cater to my interests. Visually it's kind of fascinating with all of the lights and different "architecture", and some of the casinos are beautiful, although they stink of smoke. My son and I spent our days going out on day trips. We went to Hoover Dam, Death Valley and Joshua Tree. And, we saw an amazing show at the Wynn. There's a lot of entertainment options besides gambling if you have the time/money. It's physically exhausting because you walk tremendous distances in and outside of the casinos. The main drag is blocked off so there are only a few crossing points and you can go a very long way out of your way just to cross the street. At no time did I ever have an unsafe feeling, and there was nothing scary or seedy about it at least at our end which was the Vdara area. Just very crowded, and very $$$$ of course. I'm sure it does matter where you go though. My son is very disappointed because I've decided he and I are not going along on this year's trip. I don't have a burning desire to ever go back, but it has nothing to do with safety or bad vibes. If you have the opportunity to go, it's probably worth seeing; it's pretty unique.

 

[thefragile7393]

Celebrities that I have heard of have body guards.

Regardless many like to be low key and not draw attention to themselves unless it’s a scheduled appearance. It’s not unusual to hear of them moving through fire escapes, back doors, non-public elevators...with bodyguards or assistants in tow and hotel staff with them. Bodyguards or not, a celeb sighting can set off a frenzy of ppl, media can get word of it....yeah not fun for some. Not sure why this is something that that people are getting hung up on.

 

[MistyWaters]

blue sneakers, I'm behind on this thread, but I went to LV once and swore I'd never go back. I was scared the entire time I was there. Granted, I don't gamble. There was just something about the vibes there that scared me. And I travel a lot.

IMO


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My first trip to LV was in the med 70s. My impression was slobbering drunks all along the strip, mostly seedy hotels and hookers standing on the street corners wearing fir coats. At that time the name "Sin City" was well deserved. It took me about 15 years before I had any desire to want to go back. However LV has long been one of the cheapest places for Canadians to fly to and so later I relented.

It was unrecognizable from the past. Since then every 5 years or so I've returned. The high rise hotels, the glitz and glamour seem to continually evolve. Crowds, noise, lights.....after about three days that's enough for me. But after my first trip, I've never had a feeling of unsafe.