NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #11

[truthspider]

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[nugzter]

I think there is a strong likely hood that the SK got her number either from her or from JB because we know this SK loves phone games, and loves assuming other identities while on the phone. He may have gotten her number during their first encounter then started sending her messages (as himself, or pretending to be someone else) and manipulated her to behave the way he wanted her to. Convincing her that JB and or Pak were bad guys looking to harm her, "if you need help, I'll save you" or some such fantasy.

I think that at first she believed the lies and thought the whole "party" was planning her demise, but I think by the end of the call she ultimately figured out who the real threat was. We know he is an SK who manipulates girls into coming with him/meeting him alone so that people can't directly connect or prove the victim went with him. I think May 1st the SK tried (with or without pre-planning) a variation of his "don't tell anyone where you are going, or who you are going with, and come meet me" routine.

That is an intresting theory. If he knew she was headed to JB's for a date somehow in advance. Computer hack, cell phone hack, ect.... He could have sent her a text or even called and told her she was in danger and to get out of there.
I am gonna start looking into cell hack and computer hack info.

 

[nugzter]

That is an intresting theory. If he knew she was headed to JB's for a date somehow in advance. Computer hack, cell phone hack, ect.... He could have sent her a text or even called and told her she was in danger and to get out of there.
I am gonna start looking into cell hack and computer hack info.

Wow there is alot of logistics involved in cell phone tracking. The main part is he would have to have access to her phone with out her knowledge prior to the day she disappeared in able to activate the tracker. And only if her cell phone had the GPS chip and a service company that supported the system. If she had an old style burn phone, it more than likely had no such chip.
This brings me to an idea. All the girls can be placed in NYC/LI area. Is there a phone dealer of some sort who sells these phones? I am in Germany so I don't know alot about how to purchase a throw away cell phone in NY. Are they legal phones, or are they black market?
Lets say one seller is selling to drug dealers and prostitutes, he could have the phones already rigged up for tracking before he sell them. It is a wild theory, but if we could somehow find out where they get these phones from it would help at least eliminate this possibility....

http://www.ehow.com/how_5335830_track-phone-show-exact-location.html

 

[minazoe]

there is probably a place like this on every block in NYC.

 

[truthspider]

Wow there is alot of logistics involved in cell phone tracking. The main part is he would have to have access to her phone with out her knowledge prior to the day she disappeared in able to activate the tracker. And only if her cell phone had the GPS chip and a service company that supported the system. If she had an old style burn phone, it more than likely had no such chip.
This brings me to an idea. All the girls can be placed in NYC/LI area. Is there a phone dealer of some sort who sells these phones? I am in Germany so I don't know alot about how to purchase a throw away cell phone in NY. Are they legal phones, or are they black market?
Lets say one seller is selling to drug dealers and prostitutes, he could have the phones already rigged up for tracking before he sell them. It is a wild theory, but if we could somehow find out where they get these phones from it would help at least eliminate this possibility....

http://www.ehow.com/how_5335830_track-phone-show-exact-location.html

I was actually suggesting a much simpler scenario that didn't involve technical hacking, just some old school "social engineering".

For example: jb brings sg to oak beach resident X's house for sex or drugs, X gives SG $ or drugs has some chat with her and says, "I would like contact you again for sex or to provide you with drugs, here take my number, what's yours?" then JB and SG leave, and SG starts bugging out on whatever drug she may have taken, or, bugs out because 30 minutes later X texts her a message either as himself or from a burn phone pretending to be someone else and says something to make her believe pak etc. is going to kill her (so she doesn't leave oak beach and needs someone to "rescue" her.

either way I think the chess-playing manipulative SK devised a plan to catch an escort in his web without others being able to prove she was last with him.

2 things the SK could have done to get the girl away from the John and the Driver and into his possession:

Manipulating her into an overdose situation, where he would assume everyone would need his help during such an emergency.

Convincing her the people she was with weren't going to let her leave oak beach alive.

*A sure fire way to scare the $h1t out of her, if the SK got her phone number that night, would be to simply send a picture to her phone of one of the prior victims, being killed, or already dead, etc. and saying this is what we are going to do to you. etc.

 

[inspctrgadget]

Holy crap, this is kind freaky:

Check out these posts from SY (his screenname is nyhotcpl):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-784-p-1.html
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-1971-p-1.html
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-661.html

 

[goathairjones]

Apparently the name she said on the 911 call is "Mike".

 

[nugzter]

Apparently the name she said on the 911 call is "Mike".

OH OH, Where did you find that? I want. I want!!!!!

 

[minazoe]

OH OH, Where did you find that? I want. I want!!!!!

what??????? where did u get this???? :razz:

 

[NJGuy]

If anyone has info on the name "Mike", please post on the accuracy of this assertion. Goathairjones, I know you are a quality poster, and trust your posts, but do we have any verifiable info to base this on? This could change a whole lot of things.

Thanks

 

[truthspider]

Holy crap, this is kind freaky:

Check out these posts from SY (his screenname is nyhotcpl):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-784-p-1.html
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-1971-p-1.html
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-661.html

did you find this inspctr ? killer find! haha who puts their real full name on internationalsexguide.info ? lol this guy is an internet newby baaaad and a CEO ??? does this company have investors or does he own 100% because I think we could get him fired in a heartbeat LOL. It's the future, I see, I see ACI Rehab plummeting into bankruptcy after 1 NY Times article exposing this dunce. I dunno I don't think this guy is smart enough to get away with serial murder for 15 years. The only smart move he made was appointing his brother Treasurer of the company so he could finance his world travel and expensive escorts on the corporate credit card. :floorlaugh:

I will say this, this man loves hot girls as much as me, sounds like he's jetsetting and taking home hot providers all over europe, 1000 an hour top notch escorts all around the world. All paid for by his patients with an "addiction" LOL. He has 4000 private $$$ high paying patients a year. :floorlaugh:

He has an addiction alright, I don't think it's murdering and dismembering women, or spending any time at all with $100 hr craigslist girls.

"ACI is a wholistic healthcare organization made up of physicians and a wide variety of healthcare professionals experts in the field of HEALING addiction"

he should just tell his patients what worked for him, you don't need heroin anymore, you just need 1000 dollar an hour exotic escorts everynight, and travel the world regularly.

Starting to look to me like most of the guys in oak beach are into having sex with providers, and one guy in oak beach is into killing them.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

If anyone has info on the name "Mike", please post on the accuracy of this assertion. Goathairjones, I know you are a quality poster, and trust your posts, but do we have any verifiable info to base this on? This could change a whole lot of things.

Thanks

I've been looking thru the archives for this info. I think I read this somewhere also but it may have been on that LISK site which would place it in the rumor dept. if that is the case.

I did find this during my search.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life.html

I had forgotten about MB's bf getting taunting calls and one of the batphones calling him was registered to Mickey Mouse. I agree that this killer likes to play on the phone.

The days of Sk's sending taunting with ciphers and messages cut from magazines are in the past. IMO, this killer is tech saavy.

He must also be gainfully employeed if he buys batphones regularly. I have a pre-paid phone but I had to register it online and the minutes are expensive. (Silly me, I didn't try registering it under the name of a Disney character tho.:crazy

MOO

wm

 

[goathairjones]

If anyone has info on the name "Mike", please post on the accuracy of this assertion. Goathairjones, I know you are a quality poster, and trust your posts, but do we have any verifiable info to base this on? This could change a whole lot of things.

Thanks

It was posted on one of the Shannan Gilbert facebook pages by either Mari or Sherre. I tried finding it earlier but I couldn't. It may have been deleted. Let me try and find it now.

 

[MrsPC]

Holy crap, this is kind freaky:

Check out these posts from SY (his screenname is nyhotcpl):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-784-p-1.html
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-1971-p-1.html
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-661.html

yep and there are more...that's what I sent to Suffolk County.

He hires prostitutes all over the place...he's also posted about swinging and gay nightlife...just a tad strange!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

yep and there are more...that's what I sent to Suffolk County.

He hires prostitutes all over the place...he's also posted about swinging and gay nightlife...just a tad strange!

Thanks for that tidbit, MrsPC. I clicked on the first link only and had to take a shower afterwards. 'A tad strange' is putting it nicely.

wm

 

[truthspider]

im not gonna fact check this, this is just from the top of my head regarding mike pak:

why would pak go back to oak beach to look for her and try to file a missing persons report?

why would SG call 911 from inside the house before she saw or spoke with pak since being dropped off?

would an asian man make derogitory remarks to someone about being a halfbreed?

why would someone have a long history of employment in the sex trade if they really hated "hors" as the SK calls them.

why would he decide to kill SG when she is entangled with other people as opposed to the many times when she is with him alone?

if it's him / if she said mike, why does the family care about or hate CPH?

why did the family call CPH a @#$% liar?

why would there be any concept floating around of a "they are trying to kill me"?

Why did CPH lie? Did CPH lie for Mike Pak? Did Mike Pak call SG Family and try to frame CPH? (laughable)

Why did LE take cadaver dogs through cph property and never paks?

why would a SK from queens target girls working in suffolk county and then kill and discard their remains in oak beach (or manorville)?

how old was pak in 1996?


I don't believe it. It doesn't add up, unless the SK (who isn't mike pak) told SG his name was Mike. Obvious choice for a fake name. I think Pak could have been willing to sell out a girl for a price, but I don't think he could be anything more than a delivery man for this SK.

 

[nugzter]

I tend to think in light of the "Mike" drop, is that SG has nothing to do with the GB4 murders except that the bodies were found in search for SG. So if it is true that PAK was the one named as wanting to kill her, what would be his motive? If it is true that JB called PAK and asked him to get her out of the house, that is his job. So lets say JB didn't pay her, how is she gonna pay PAK for sitting around for over at least an hour and a half if not more. She could have been scared her "driver" was gonna demand payment and she begged not to leave the house. SG is one tough girl, but she is still the weaker of the species. If PAK started to get stupid with her and maybe even physical, that could have sent her into hysterics, causing her to run to GC's house. After GC's call she sees PAK driving down the road and cannot expect to be protected by an old guy like GC and splits again under the boat. GC speaks to PAK and I guess you could say PAK sort of made a threat. GC,"I called the police". PAK, "You shouldn't have done that."
PAK continues to search for SG. SG must now have made the last call for 23 mins. If it is true that the 911 call reveals SG being pulled into the truck and telling the dispatcher they guys name is Mike, it can only be one Mike she is speaking of. It is not clear exactly where SG was put into the truck, or if she really ever was in it.
The whole CHP thing could have started by his own will, trying to get involved and look like he is some sort of private guard of the community. Hey this did happen on his so called "watch". He just bumbled and lied and got in way tooo far over his head. MOO. This is not based on FACTS, but it an attempt to track the events, although it is in an abbreviated way.

 

[truthspider]

I tend to think in light of the "Mike" drop, is that SG has nothing to do with the GB4 murders except that the bodies were found in search for SG. So if it is true that PAK was the one named as wanting to kill her, what would be his motive? If it is true that JB called PAK and asked him to get her out of the house, that is his job. So lets say JB didn't pay her, how is she gonna pay PAK for sitting around for over at least an hour and a half if not more. She could have been scared her "driver" was gonna demand payment and she begged not to leave the house. SG is one tough girl, but she is still the weaker of the species. If PAK started to get stupid with her and maybe even physical, that could have sent her into hysterics, causing her to run to GC's house. After GC's call she sees PAK driving down the road and cannot expect to be protected by an old guy like GC and splits again under the boat. GC speaks to PAK and I guess you could say PAK sort of made a threat. GC,"I called the police". PAK, "You shouldn't have done that."
PAK continues to search for SG. SG must now have made the last call for 23 mins. If it is true that the 911 call reveals SG being pulled into the truck and telling the dispatcher they guys name is Mike, it can only be one Mike she is speaking of. It is not clear exactly where SG was put into the truck, or if she really ever was in it.
The whole CHP thing could have started by his own will, trying to get involved and look like he is some sort of private guard of the community. Hey this did happen on his so called "watch". He just bumbled and lied and got in way tooo far over his head. MOO. This is not based on FACTS, but it an attempt to track the events, although it is in an abbreviated way.

but she called 911 before leaving the house, and no account has pak going into the house prior to the call. also her phone records show lots of calls back and forth between SG and MP which doesn't seem to fit that scenario. Also, why would LE NOT play the tape for the family, BUT tell them the most relevant part of the tape? Is there a logical explanation to that or does the family not really know what she said on the tape?

 

[Clem Snide]

If she did, in fact, mention her driver by name then it seems quite possible that he dragged her into the car and maybe killed her out of frustration, without meaning to. Coming back the next day to look for her would be done in an effort to make him look less suspicious?

If so, that takes JB and the doc(s) off the hook and makes it extremely unlikely that SG's disappearance was related to the Gilgo Beach bodies. Make sense?

BTW, this is my first post here. Was at the LISK site, but things are a tad off there. Will likely be reading more than commenting, as you guys seem to have extremely good insight.

 

[truthspider]

If she did, in fact, mention her driver by name then it seems quite possible that he dragged her into the car and maybe killed her out of frustration, without meaning to. Coming back the next day to look for her would be done in an effort to make him look less suspicious?

If so, that takes JB and the doc(s) off the hook and makes it extremely unlikely that SG's disappearance was related to the Gilgo Beach bodies. Make sense?

BTW, this is my first post here. Was at the LISK site, but things are a tad off there. Will likely be reading more than commenting, as you guys seem to have extremely good insight.

I dont know about all this MP mentioning business. The police seem to be treating SG's case and the rest of the bodies as related, and I just can't reconcile MP as a 15 year veteran SK who uses oak beach as his trophycase. It also doesn't make sense that MP, who resides in queens, would leave bodies in the open in manorville but feel the need to hide them on Jones Island, to me that means the SK's home is close to Gilgo State Park.

I think this SK who goes OUT OF HIS WAY to avoid being connected to his victims in anyway, isn't going to kill someone who IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED to him. Doesn't fit the pattern at all.

Fluke has been claiming that MP and CPH have been in telephone communication for a while and the police have records of it. Fluke was right on his last call about phone records...

If SG was indeed afraid of MP, whether for good reason or someone falsely convinced her to be afraid of him, we can use the phone call to G family ending with "she left with the driver" to dissect her fear of MP. If MP was the bad guy, who would make that phone call and why? But if MP wasn't the bad guy, there would exist motivation for the real bad guy to make the call and try to blame her disappearance on her driver.

We know someone tried to make MP out to be the bad guy ("she spent the night and left with the driver"), it could follow that this same person was trying to convince SG that MP was a bad guy during the night of May 1. Possibly May 1st events were only distantly related to the G4 in that the person who usually hunts and kills escorts in a very specific manor, decided to "accidentally" deliver or give out the wrong drugs because he's a sadistic person. Maybe Pak DID go to CVS or elsewhere to pick up drugs and gave them to SG, when SG realizes she had been roofied etc all she can think of is that PAK is trying to poison or kill her with drugs?

Afraid of MP, MP catches her, "pulls her into the truck", then brings her back to CPH because SG is overdosing? Maybe Pak is freaked out and leaves her with CPH since he knows cops were called and doesn't want to admit be around as SG was overdosing/dieing.