OH OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #3

[Ozoner]

I REALLY would like to see this solved.

Jmo

Lobby to go through the former construction site with ground penetrating radar. I'll bet you a nickel the case would be solved in one day.

 

[Kaie]

Lobby to go through the former construction site with ground penetrating radar. I'll bet you a nickel the case would be solved in one day.

Nothing should be considered either too much trouble, or too much expense, in this case now.

 

[itsrak]

Nothing should be considered either too much trouble, or too much expense, in this case now.

OSU owns the building in which Brian went missing. One might think they'd take another look for one of their own. But, no...

 

[Kaie]

OSU owns the building in which Brian went missing. One might think they'd take another look for one of their own. But, no...

Universities will stop at nothing to protect their brand, and I really do mean nothing. I've really fallen through the looking glass when it comes to corporate behaviour and universities. The media articles about their latest achievements, the pomp and ceremony, gowns and mortar boards, the college crests depicting mottos in latin... it's all just so impressive isn't it? But the hidden reality can be in stark contrast to the spectacular facade.

Imagine the remains of a student who has been missing for 12 years (in a high profile missing persons case no less), getting found to have been within a university owned building all that time. That's the kind of scenario where a university's management would rather run through fire.

Didn't Brian's father have a bit of trouble at the OSU campus when he was trying to distribute posters?

 

[itsrak]

OSU owns the building in which Brian went missing. One might think they'd take another look for one of their own. But, no...

Click image below to see for yourself who, according to online county records, owns (and owned on 4/1/06) the building/property where Brian Shaffer was last seen and where his remains may well have been resting for the past 12+ years:

 

[XPh]

So I have two questions based on the above discussion:

1.) Does the technology exist to feasibly use ground penetrating radar (or something similar) to look for Brian? I know there is more technology now, but no idea what it entails. Would the data it generates be useful to look for a human body sealed within the former construction site? Or could it lead to a "false negative?"

2.) If the technology does exist and would provide useful information, how do we go about generating a critical mass of renewed public interest to force someone to take action with this technology? Is it a petition, social media movement, etc.? Would the folks who have put countless of hours of work into this case (e.g. the ComeBack podcast folks?) be interested in using their resources to head up these efforts?

I feel like the next step is actually getting this past the point of us all just talking about it on a message board, but I don't know how to best do that.

 

[itsrak]

So I have two questions based on the above discussion:

1.) Does the technology exist to feasibly use ground penetrating radar (or something similar) to look for Brian? I know there is more technology now, but no idea what it entails. Would the data it generates be useful to look for a human body sealed within the former construction site? Or could it lead to a "false negative?"

2.) If the technology does exist and would provide useful information, how do we go about generating a critical mass of renewed public interest to force someone to take action with this technology? Is it a petition, social media movement, etc.? Would the folks who have put countless of hours of work into this case (e.g. the ComeBack podcast folks?) be interested in using their resources to head up these efforts?

I feel like the next step is actually getting this past the point of us all just talking about it on a message board, but I don't know how to best do that.

Don't know about 1. As to 2, I'd think the best impetus for a bldg search would be request from Brian's family - bro and/or uncle. If it isn't something family'd push for......

 

[Kaie]

I guess what it would take is LE identifying the need for the search, and then applying for a warrant. It sounds like they have their reasons for believing that it wouldn't be fruitful, but if they did want to do it... would they have enough grounds for the warrant?
Of course LE would know precisely how much construction work was done in the relevant timeframe, and that's something we don't know. I often wonder why there is no clarification on that, it seems like an easy question to answer. If the actual figure on how much concrete was used in that time became public, would it cause an uproar and drive everyone back to this theory? Or conversely, would it make us all agree that it really is unlikely, and put the theory to rest?

 

[itsrak]

Of course LE would know precisely how much construction work was done in the relevant timeframe, and that's something we don't know.

The best available detail on this point (the state of the construction work at 4/1/06), as far as I am aware, is the assertion made in mid-2018 by the lead detective on the case, who was on the case in 4/2006 when Brian disappeared, that on the morning Brian went missing, the 'construction area' (which the lead detective (who would know better than him?) has suggested Brian may well have entered) was in a 'completely dug up' state.... that means an active construction site with holes/trenches and piles of the dirt dug from the holes/trenches. At the time I heard Det. Hurst utter those words 'completely dug up', I had already concluded that it was a distinct possibility that Brian may well have stumbled, fallen and become buried and eventually inadvertently entombed in the construction area. But Det. Hurst's utterance of those words 'completely dug up' moved me from 'distinct possibility' to 'distinct likelihood'...

 

[Kaie]

But Det. Hurst's utterance of those words 'completely dug up' moved me from 'distinct possibility' to 'distinct likelihood'...

Yeah, that's impossible to ignore.

So then how do you feel about the ringing phone and the tower ping at Hilliard? The service provider did state that it could be explained away as a glitch. I presume that if Brian did remain within the site, his mobile phone ended up there too.

The one thing I can't ignore (and some popular theories expect us to) is Brian being the only person who entered the bar that night without being seen on camera leaving. Nope... not co-incidence at all. So any theory that he left the bar, with the intention of doing something as normal as walking home (but meeting with foul play on the walk) doesn't fly with me.

 

[itsrak]

Yeah, that's impossible to ignore.

So then how do you feel about the ringing phone and the tower ping at Hilliard? The service provider did state that it could be explained away as a glitch. I presume that if Brian did remain within the site, his mobile phone ended up there too.

The one thing I can't ignore (and some popular theories expect us to) is Brian being the only person who entered the bar that night without being seen on camera leaving. Nope... not co-incidence at all. So any theory that he left the bar, with the intention of doing something as normal as walking home (but meeting with foul play on the walk) doesn't fly with me.

Since there was no sign of life of Brian after 2am on 4/1/06, I assumed the single Hilliard ping was a glitch. I'd assume the reason Brian's phone was never used again is that he died in the construction area shortly after 2am, and the reason his phone went permanently straight to voice mail after 2am is that it was with him under a dirt collapse, with dirt shielding any signal.

Yeah, I'd agree that there is a linkage between the one person seeming to not have left the building that morning also happening to be (what a coincidence - not) the person in the building that morning who permanently disappeared that morn. The probable linkage? - he disappeared and seemed not to have left the building that morn because he became inadvertently entombed in the building that morn. Thus, the permanent disappearance and seeming failure to have left the building are both accounted for by the accidental entombment in the construction area. An accidental death and failure of searchers (who at the time couldn't have known that Brian was never to return and probably already dead) to discover the body.

 

[PlatinumGirly]

Okay please bear with me guys as I am fairly new to Websleuths and I am currently sitting here nursing a nasty chest infection

I've read some of Brian's case, I am currently reading through thread 2 of his here on Websleuths, and just wanted to note down my thoughts before continuing on.

It has been said that there was some jealously between Clint and Brian (notably from Clint's end) and that a previous assault that was committed against Brian at a party Brian had suspected Clint of setting him up for. Alexis didn't seem to be fond of Clint either and apparently encouraged Brian to not socialise with him. Then we have Clint and Meredith being so quick to leave Brian behind after apparently losing sight of him (some 9 minutes?) and then add in him lawyering up and requesting immunity before telling all he knows (apparently) and being so quick to move on and seemingly not help AT ALL with the searches for Brian then I have become pretty damn convinced that he was the catalyst to what happened to Brian that night. I don't think by his own hands. But I very much suspect that he did as the coward had been suspected of doing before- hired some thugs to do his dirty work for him. Except this time, just as those psychic kids said, things went 'too far' and Brian ended up dying.

Meredith I think has been a factor also. I wonder why it was only apparently a week or so before that night that she tried it on with Brian? Was that via her own volition? Or was she somehow egged on by her 'friend' Clint who perhaps wanted to ruin Brian's life in any way possible, including causing him to break up with Alexis had he taken the bait and cheated on her?

I feel sure that Brian was coaxed back into that club by Clint who had a plan for him to get beaten up, and once Clint was sure Brian was where he was supposed to be he left. Left him to what actually turned out to be his death. How, by whom, or even where the body is right now I do not know. All I do know is that Clint DOES hold the answers to this, and Meredith is a female that knows more than she's saying.

 

[Kaie]

I don't know if I should even get started on what I think of "psychics" inserting themselves into missing persons and homicide investigations, because I could go on for pages about the harm they do to the families of victims. I'll just say that facts are facts, evidence is evidence, and psychics are neither.

I'm not sure why the fact that Meredith is female was emphasised at the end of the above post, but the fact is that she took a polygraph, which is an extremely bold move for a person who is hiding something. She's probably done everything that she can do.

A lot of suspicion is directed at Clint, and maybe there is something in it. None of us know what happened to Brian, all reasonable theories are still on the table, and it does seem that if there is only one person who might have some idea of what happened, it would be Clint. But if he's in the same boat as everyone else, and knows nothing... imagine the position he's in. I would get a lawyer too, and when that lawyer advises me not to take a polygraph I would comply with their professional advice.

 

[chanteuseenka]

4chan thread about Brian Shaffer

Hi, I don't know if you have read nor seen this message on 4chan
I suppose it is a very shady joke
Is he really speaking about Brian?



Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 06:07:56 No.19735589Report

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[neesaki]

Okay please bear with me guys as I am fairly new to Websleuths and I am currently sitting here nursing a nasty chest infection

I've read some of Brian's case, I am currently reading through thread 2 of his here on Websleuths, and just wanted to note down my thoughts before continuing on.

It has been said that there was some jealously between Clint and Brian (notably from Clint's end) and that a previous assault that was committed against Brian at a party Brian had suspected Clint of setting him up for. Alexis didn't seem to be fond of Clint either and apparently encouraged Brian to not socialise with him. Then we have Clint and Meredith being so quick to leave Brian behind after apparently losing sight of him (some 9 minutes?) and then add in him lawyering up and requesting immunity before telling all he knows (apparently) and being so quick to move on and seemingly not help AT ALL with the searches for Brian then I have become pretty damn convinced that he was the catalyst to what happened to Brian that night. I don't think by his own hands. But I very much suspect that he did as the coward had been suspected of doing before- hired some thugs to do his dirty work for him. Except this time, just as those psychic kids said, things went 'too far' and Brian ended up dying.

Meredith I think has been a factor also. I wonder why it was only apparently a week or so before that night that she tried it on with Brian? Was that via her own volition? Or was she somehow egged on by her 'friend' Clint who perhaps wanted to ruin Brian's life in any way possible, including causing him to break up with Alexis had he taken the bait and cheated on her?

I feel sure that Brian was coaxed back into that club by Clint who had a plan for him to get beaten up, and once Clint was sure Brian was where he was supposed to be he left. Left him to what actually turned out to be his death. How, by whom, or even where the body is right now I do not know. All I do know is that Clint DOES hold the answers to this, and Meredith is a female that knows more than she's saying.

Well, well, well, I have to say that this is more or less what I have been waiting to hear, can't say I'm surprised at all. It's actually a relief to hear this come from someone who seems to know something we don't. Many of us have believed that Clint was one of the catalysts to what happened to Brian that night. I"m not sure how Meredith fits in, hmmm. But it appeared to us that Brian wasn't interested in Meredith, except as a possible friend.
That Clint was up to something is nothing new here, but that he "hired some thugs to do his dirty work for him" might shed a totally different light on the investigation. No?
Any insight into why Clint was so intent on ruining Brian's life ? Just pure jealousy, envy, the seven deadly sins ? Or was there something deeper going one. And, I have to wonder what Randy knew.
Tragic situation all the way around, so sad. But that said,, somehow we need to get to the bottom of it and find Brian. That's all that matters, finding Brian.

I'm one who is all for whatever it takes to find Brian, and yes, that may even reveal some uncomfortable information about him or lifestyle choice he made,... well, none of that matters at all, at least to me. I just want him found safe.

 

[PlatinumGirly]

Well, well, well, I have to say that this is more or less what I have been waiting to hear, can't say I'm surprised at all. It's actually a relief to hear this come from someone who seems to know something we don't. Many of us have believed that Clint was one of the catalysts to what happened to Brian that night. I"m not sure how Meredith fits in, hmmm. But it appeared to us that Brian wasn't interested in Meredith, except as a possible friend.
That Clint was up to something is nothing new here, but that he "hired some thugs to do his dirty work for him" might shed a totally different light on the investigation. No?
Any insight into why Clint was so intent on ruining Brian's life ? Just pure jealousy, envy, the seven deadly sins ? Or was there something deeper going one. And, I have to wonder what Randy knew.
Tragic situation all the way around, so sad. But that said,, somehow we need to get to the bottom of it and find Brian. That's all that matters, finding Brian.

I'm one who is all for whatever it takes to find Brian, and yes, that may even reveal some uncomfortable information about him or lifestyle choice he made,... well, none of that matters at all, at least to me. I just want him found safe.

Clint I feel for sure was completely and utterly jealous/envious of Brian and probably had been from the very first day that they met. If there was further motive than that then I am unaware of it, except Clint did seem to think that Brian would 'shoot his mouth off' when inebriated and perhaps he was the type of guy and supposed 'friend' who couldn't let things go, and had the constant desire to see Brian suffer even though he himself would most likely not be physical with Brian himself.

I raised Meredith for several reasons- one being the fact that she not too long before that fateful night had made sexual advances towards Brian, she was a good friend of Clints so one has wonder if she came on to Brian because she genuinely lusted after him and had no respect for his relationship with Alexis, or was she spurned on, manipulated, etc by Clint to make those advances towards Brian? Perhaps Clint had hoped that Brian would take the bait and he would have something over him to ruin his relationship with Alexis.
Then we have the fact that she was there the night that Brian disappeared, which makes her a character of somewhat importance. I find it brass balled of her to be honest to actually show up to a night out with the very guy that had knocked you back the week before. Seems she had little to no shame.
Lastly the psychic kids mentioned a 'female that knows more than she's telling', and I believe that very female to be Meredith. Whether she knew that Clint had set Brian up that night or not I'm unsure, but she at the very least knows of her failed advances towards Brian, of Brian's movements that night whilst she was in his company, his general mood, etc not to mention what was said/done by Clint and just how long she was in Clint's company after they left the bar.

I believe myself that Clint was in Brian's apartment for as long as he was probably waiting anxiously for Brian to return home. I think when Brian did not is most likely when it hit him that something had gone terribly wrong, that the guys had gone too far, that they had messed him up way worse than he had wanted them to, etc and he did what any coward would do- left and said not a word. He waited for Brian's girlfriend and family to realise he was missing by the following day and for them to notify the authorities.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

That's a better explanation than Brian going out a back door for no particular reason and then falling into a hole in a construction site.

 

[XPh]

That's a better explanation than Brian going out a back door for no particular reason and then falling into a hole in a construction site.

Why?

Because drunk people don’t wander into odd places?

Because drunk people don’t happen upon accidents?

Because psychics are a reliable method of crime solving?

Seriously, lol.

 

[itsrak]

Why?

Because drunk people don’t wander into odd places?

Because drunk people don’t happen upon accidents?

Because psychics are a reliable method of crime solving?

Seriously, lol.

Without even considering the facts of this case, fact is that accidental death is far, far more common than homicide. Even 'accidental death by fall' at 34k in US each year, is a lot higher than 19k death by homicide.

But upon considering the facts of the case, accidental death by fall seems vastly more likely than death by homicide perpetrated by the duo of Clint and Meredith. In my opinion. And the cops seem to have long ago ruled out Clint. Accident has never been ruled out.

 

[MatthewTyler]

The thing I'm still curious about is the accessibility of the construction site to patrons. I keep hearing conflicting reports of it either being locked up tight with a chain or fairly easy to shimmy through. I don't disagree with XPh's comment about wandering into odd places, but if the construction site was blocked off, then Brian would have had to at least somewhat try to get in there. It still begs the question as to why. I've had nights myself where I've gone out and gotten too drunk, but never once did I want to walk through a construction site