OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - #17

[Jules71]

I, like many others here, am going all over the spectrum on Kyron's disappearance. But this post reminded me of something and it ties into how scary it is to me that I don't think it's difficult for a child to disappear in many, many scenarios, be that playing outside in their own yard, being in school, a mall, a store, riding a bike, etc.

Makes me very scared as a parent, b/c reality is, no matter how much you protect your children, there is alway some vulnerability, and they cannot be 100% protected 100% of the time (that said, I shudder to think of schools as not safe havens).

I haven't thought of this in years, but this post made me think of it, and also makes me think about how the type of child you are really does contribute to your vulnerability. When I was young, maybe 8-10??, I could ride my bike around the blocks of our neighborhood. Only one of these blocks was a busier street, with a sidewalk. I was riding alone one day on this sidewalk, and a car stopped...a guy, maybe in his 20s, yelled asking me for directions to a street I knew. I stopped...the guy had nothing on from the waist down and was touching himself. I stammered, scared and completely uncomfortable, but I didn't take off! I tried to give him the stupid directions! Then finally, I managed "I don't know" and I took off on my bike.

My house was only around the corner so I was scared he was going to follow me, but he didn't. He did drive away.

I never told anyone about this then! But being the type of kid I was, I actually tried to help this guy before my fear got the better of me (I was a fearful kid, and I had older sisters who were very protective, and interestingly enough, John Walsh is originally from my hometown, so there was a fresh awareness of abduction).

So I really do feel like Kyron, with what we've been told about his personality, would help an adult, possibly even if he wasn't entirely comfortable with it.

Scary scary. When I was about 20 years old, I was waiting for the public bus to go to work, and 2 men in a car drove up and rolled down the window to ask me for directions. I was trying to give them direction (from a distance) and then the guy said - hey you have something in your hair and was reaching out to me like to come closer so he could get it out of my hair. I backed off and said NO THANKS - and when he left I asked another person at the bus stop if I had something in my hair and I did NOT. Who knows what could have happened if I walked closer to the car.

I have seen on tv programs where they teach children to if someone is trying to grab them to drop to the ground and kick and yell stranger stranger 911 over and over. They say it is more difficult for someone to grab someone and carry them off when they are on the ground and a legs distance away kicking. I don't know which is better though - to do that or to run. But I guess if they have a hold of you, to drop would be better than to stand and kick and scream. I don't know. Scary.

 

[scandi]

Are there armed guards around the Hormon house? If they are being threatened, I sure hope so! It looks pretty isolated with woods all around....scary thought.

Hi Amster, Right before 9am there was an UPDATE on KOIN TV. The only thing really mentioned was that either the Prosecutor's or DA's office were spending quite a bit of time at the Horman home at this point. They also said the reason was to see if they could learn more about Kyron and what people he might know.

I haven't checked for a link yet. There might not be one until 11am which is when their next broadcast is. xox

 

[seeking truth]

I'm trying to sleuth this out too, seeking. Unfortunately I'm getting distracted in real life.

The secretary calling 911 is direct from a LE document that was released to the press. I'll pull it and post it in a few. The press is taking it from there most likely.

It's Kaine's email on that Acker law blog where he says that the bus driver called the school. I'll hunt down that link too.

I don't think TH called LE or the school. I don't think Kaine called LE or the school. I think the bus driver called the school, and then the school called LE (911).

Thanks so much, BeanE.

:Banane21:

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Well,there is just not much known now for me to figure out what happened to little Kyron.So I will just checking the sheriffs website and here to see if there is any news reports and any updates and pray they find him.I am very interested in the searches they are doing.I do think they have a suspect or suspects they are looking at.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It was on the alert thread they have, so I don't know if it is on a bill board, can't say. It is the picture of him in front of his project that day.

Have they released which picture of Kyron will be going up on the billboards?

TIA

imo

 

[Katarina]

Another question for locals and TIA. Is Sauvie Island and the area below it popular for fishing? I think fishing season starts tomorrow so lots of people should be out and this weekend when it warms up. TIA

In general lot of people go to Savuvie Island on the weekends, including our family. We go there to enjoy the beach & stop at local farms strawberry picking

I see lot of cyclist there

Not sure if they fish there, the river is kinda noisy with all the cargo ships & recreational boats

Lately I don't feel that safe at the beach. Too many drunk people on the boats and beaches & barely any security

 

[BeanE]

Did LE put out the pic of Kyron without the glasses? If so, maybe they found his glasses....

Yes

http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276

 

[BeanE]

What happened at bus stop through calling LE mini timeline and related links
for those of us sleuthing this. This should be everything *except* a map/drive time from near JK's home where the white truck was seen <> Kyron's bus stop. (Sorry it's messy. I'm trying to take care of something in real life at the same time I'm doing this lol.)


3pm white truck driven by a lady seen by Jim K and his neighbor near Jim's home off Cornelius Pass. Truck pulled to the end of a long road, idled, then turned around. At 2am Saturday morning, a similar truck appeared and idled, and when a neighbor turned her dogs loose, the truck eased away.

3:30pm The Hormans go to the school bus stop and discover that Kyron is not on the bus.

3:46pm School secretary calls 911.


This should be all the links:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html

We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

REWIND OF THE INITIAL TRANSMISSION OF KYRON REPORTED MISSING.
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1) What time was 9-1-1 called?
Answer: BOEC received call at 1556 (3:56 p.m.). Dispatched to police units at 1559 (3:59 p.m.).
2) When did the first officers arrive on scene?
Answer: Portland Police Bureau and Multnomah County Sheriff&#8217;s Office units arrived at 1633 (4:33 p.m.) simultaneously at Skyline school and Kyron&#8217;s home.
3) Who made the call?
Answer: Skyline School secretary Susan Hall.

Kyron Horman PIO Timline 06-11-10
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/Kyron_PIO_timeline.pdf

Map w/truck sighting and Kyron's home to figure out drive time:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e...92510424599794.0004885502c0e5890795a&t=h&z=10

Driving directions to Suspicious White Truck Sighting
0.9 mi &#8211; about 2 mins

 

[tk71texas]

I would like to see a system in our school (like someone mentioned before) - where you present your id and they scan it and print out a sticker with your picture, name, date/time, and purpose of visit. The system would also keep a log of dates/times of those visitors in/out. They would also need to teach staff and parents to question anyone on school property to immediately question/report anyone not wearing a visitor sticker. School staff should always wear a photo id badge where it is completely visible. JMO.

ETA: I would also like to see something (don't know what) in place for parents picking up students in their car.

my school district does the id/sticker thing. My son's middle school doesn't check my id everytime because they know me and my picture is in the computer and prints on the sticker. However, my daughter's highschool checks my ID everytime cuz for some reason my pic is not on the sticker they print out. Sometimes this has made me irritable because they should know me by now....as far as picking up car riders i know that when my son was in elementary, the car riders had "tags" with numbers that matched tags in the windshield of the car picking them up so that the teacher could call out who was next.....anyways, ot i guess....sorry:waitasec:

 

[Amster]

I was thinking his glasses may have been found on S. Island....thus the search...thus the pic of him without glasses. Just grasping at straws, I know...

 

[tlcya]

It is common for LE to want us (the public) to be looking for Kyron, with or without glasses, with or without that hair color, etc. I can only assume that they are covering their bases. ie. If this wa san abduction, and if he is still a living victim, the perp would want to alter his appearance because of all the media attention on this case. The easiest way to alter appearance, remove or add glasses, change hair color or length etc.

I think LE released that photo altered to remove the glasses so that the public could see what Kyron looks like in case someone has taken his glasses, or if his glasses have become lost in a struggle, etc.

 

[Calliope]

They DID attend the vigil, and (from the video link above) actually sat with the others in the church.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Did someone say he was going somewhere after school?camping or something?I don't remember what was said.Was he going to be brought to that or something?

 

[wvjules]

What happened at bus stop through calling LE mini timeline and related links
for those of us sleuthing this. This should be everything *except* a map/drive time from near JK's home where the white truck was seen <> Kyron's bus stop. (Sorry it's messy. I'm trying to take care of something in real life at the same time I'm doing this lol.)


3pm white truck driven by a lady seen by Jim K and his neighbor near Jim's home off Cornelius Pass. Truck pulled to the end of a long road, idled, then turned around. At 2am Saturday morning, a similar truck appeared and idled, and when a neighbor turned her dogs loose, the truck eased away.

3:30pm The Hormans go to the school bus stop and discover that Kyron is not on the bus.

3:46pm School secretary calls 911.


This should be all the links:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html

We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

REWIND OF THE INITIAL TRANSMISSION OF KYRON REPORTED MISSING.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


1) What time was 9-1-1 called?
Answer: BOEC received call at 1556 (3:56 p.m.). Dispatched to police units at 1559 (3:59 p.m.).
2) When did the first officers arrive on scene?
Answer: Portland Police Bureau and Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office units arrived at 1633 (4:33 p.m.) simultaneously at Skyline school and Kyron’s home.
3) Who made the call?
Answer: Skyline School secretary Susan Hall.

Kyron Horman PIO Timline 06-11-10
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/Kyron_PIO_timeline.pdf

Not that it probably matters in the grand scheme of things, but it took LE over 1/2 hour to arrive at the scene? Is it a large county?

 

[Calliope]

ForTheKids, here's the video report of the vigil. Parents were there:

http://www.kptv.com/video/23918603/index.html

 

[pdx]

Another question for locals and TIA. Is Sauvie Island and the area below it popular for fishing? I think fishing season starts tomorrow so lots of people should be out and this weekend when it warms up. TIA

Yes, fishing and all sorts of rec, as just posted. It used to be one of my favorite fishing places (before I discovered gardening). Now it's one of my favorite nursery haunts.

However, the area of water they are searching is the Multnomah Channel, next to the highway. The channel is not prime fishing, but people poodle around in it. The channel is lined with floating homes in the area the are searching.
The entire island is between that water, and the river itself.
The Port of Portland is an 'ocean port'... ships can come all the way up the Columbia from the Pacific.
The river is also a little confusing in that the Willamette & Columbia run north (so up is out).

 

[pdx]

I am too. I'm trying to figure out who the neighbor is but the Multnomah County property records site is tough to deal with here is the link:

http://multcoproptax.com/search.asp

This map provides the address for Kyron's dad and stepmom:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113741092510424599794.0004885502c0e5890795a&t=h&z=10

Makes me wonder if they think the neighbor could have been at the school that morning, maybe he or she has a kid at Skyline.

Try using www.portlandmaps.com (gov't site). You'll find the assessors infor you want, and much easier to navigate to neighbor properties w/out knowing their names.
Can you say which neighbor was searched? Jim Kelley is close enough to be called a neighbor (across CP Road).

 

[seeking truth]

I am too. I'm trying to figure out who the neighbor is but the Multnomah County property records site is tough to deal with here is the link:

http://multcoproptax.com/search.asp

This map provides the address for Kyron's dad and stepmom:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113741092510424599794.0004885502c0e5890795a&t=h&z=10

Makes me wonder if they think the neighbor could have been at the school that morning, maybe he or she has a kid at Skyline.

I agree with another poster, upthread, that this neighbor could have been watching the Horman baby that morning or anytime during the day Kyron disappeared. Why they would search? Maybe it was more of an interview, but that's a guess on my part.

Could someone direct me to the Kyron media/document thread? Would I find this information there?

1. Article(s) referring to the neighbor's house being searched.

2. The Hormans truck being towed.

I'm not trying to be lazy, I'm having a little trouble finding Kyron info. here, though I am probably just missing what is in plain sight.

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[BeanE]

For those working on the white truck/bus stop/mini timeline:

The map does show the truck sighting area. I need to figure out how to get the drive time:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e...92510424599794.0004885502c0e5890795a&t=h&z=10

ETA: Somebody please double check me, but I'm getting 0.9 miles, 2 minutes drive time:
Driving directions to Suspicious White Truck Sighting
0.9 mi &#8211; about 2 mins

 

[pdx]

For those working on the white truck/bus stop/mini timeline:

The map does show the truck sighting area. I need to figure out how to get the drive time:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e...92510424599794.0004885502c0e5890795a&t=h&z=10

ETA: Somebody please double check me, but I'm getting 0.9 miles, 2 minutes drive time:
Driving directions to Suspicious White Truck Sighting
0.9 mi – about 2 mins

From where? The Horman house?
They are just across the big road.. so yes, a couple of minutes sounds right.