Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #5

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Maybe he just drugged her, with the date rape drug and then then things got out of control and he murdered another.......

Ya know... I think it may be something just that simple. Sometimes us super-sleuths tend to over complicate things. I know I watch way too much CSI, Castle and the like so I'm always looking for that one AHA moment that rarely exists in reality. :)
 
i agree Abbie - i do believe he spent almost all of the money he took from Stephany, because i do believe he ribbed her of her winnings.

I do too. And from what I am reading now, possibly her jewelry too. OTOH, if her jewelry was worth anything (the only daughter wealthy prominent father, yeah it was prob very good jewelry) She could have wisely left her jewelry locked up in her glove box, or at home, or in her purse. A woman alone in a casino should not be flashing pricey jewelry anyway, maybe she knew that.

jmo
 
Ya know... I think it may be something just that simple. Sometimes us super-sleuths tend to over complicate things. I know I watch way too much CSI, Castle and the like so I'm always looking for that one AHA moment that rarely exists in reality. :)

We think things out to the logical conclusion, then we alter our theory along the way based on evidence information released. Sometimes we are several steps ahead of the law....:) Cos sleuthers are good like that. JMO.
 
I was watching his 08 Susteren interview tonight and noticed something eerie. When he gets upset and threatens to leave, the way he leers above Greta while she tries to convince him to stay is quite scary. Maybe it's his height or the naturally sick look he was born with but it's dark and scary. I can see him turning on someone and becoming extremely violent very quickly... just an observation.
 
2 new articles this morning on telegraaf.nl

Article 1:

Overtuigend bewijs tegen Joran.

Convincing evidence againt Joran.

De politie in Peru denkt al vandaag de eerste rapporten te hebben van sporen die kunnen wijzen op de betrokkenheid van Joran van der Sloot bij de dood van Stephany Flores.

Peruvian police hopes to have some reports today that points to the involvement of Joran van der Sloot in the death of Stephany Flores.

Alle bewijzen wijzen erop dat hij Stephany heeft vermoord", zegt Cesar Guardia, chef van Criminele Onderzoeksdienst van de politie. Zo had de vermoorde Stephany vermoedelijk huidweefsel onder haar nagels.

"All evidence points to the fact that he killed Stephany" says Cesar Guardia, head of the Criminal Investigation service. Stephany presumably had skintissue under her nails.

Uit exclusieve politiebeelden van het medisch onderzoek van Joran is op zijn lichaam geen sprake van zichtbare nagelsporen. Ook bebloede schoenafdrukken tussen bed en badkamer worden onder de loep genomen.

Exclusive police video shows that during the medical examining of Joran, there where no physical signs of scratching. Bloody shoeprints between bed- and bathroom are being investigated.

Source

Article 2:

Pokeraar tipte politie

Poker player tipped off police

Het lichaam van de vermoorde Stephany Flores werd gevonden na een verzoek van een mysterieuze buitenlandse pokerspeler om iemand naar de kamer van Joran te sturen. Dat is gebleken uit twee politieverhoren, die deze krant in bezit heeft.

The body of Stephany Flores was found after a 'mysterious' foreign poker player asked to send someone to Jorans room, police interrogation reports show.

Deze 35-jarige man is afgelopen dagen een aantal malen gehoord. Zo verbleef hij in hetzelfde hotel als Joran. Hij had hem eerder ontmoet en beschikte tevens over het Peruaanse mobiele nummer van Joran in zijn telefoon.

The 35 year old male has been interrogated a couple of times last days. He stayed at the same hotel as Joran did. He met him earlier and had Jorans Peruvian phonenumber saved in his cellphone.

Volgens de politiefoto's gaat het om een Italiaans ogende man. Volgens zijn papieren is het een tot Uruguayaan genaturaliseerde Albanees, die twee weken voor Joran het land binnenkwam en meermalen contact met hem had.

According to his papers he is Albanian and naturalized Uruguayan. Two weeks before Joran entered Peru they had contact on multiple occassions.

Deze man, 'Elton Garcia', mag voorlopig Peru niet verlaten. Hij is niet als verdachte aangemerkt. Hij verklaarde bij de politie dat hij een professionele pokerspeler is, die met Joran en Stephany aan een 'vrije tafel' had gespeeld.

The man, 'Elton Garcia' can temporary not leave Peru. He said to police that he is a professional poker player who played with Joran and Stephany at a 'free table'.

De avond voordat Stephany werd gevonden, zou hij een diner hebben met Joran, waarop deze niet verscheen. Op dinsdagavond, twee dagen na de moord, had hij naar eigen zeggen om negen uur een afspraak. "Hij kwam niet opdagen en ik begon me zorgen te maken dat hij samen met Stephany Flores ontvoerd was."

The evening before Stephany was found he would have had dinner with Joran but Joran didn't show up. On Tuesday night, 2 days after the murder, they had an appointment at 9.00 pm. "He didn't show up and I started to worry. I thought they where kidnapped together."

In de verhoren meldt deze mysterieuze pokerspeler verder dat hij die dag had gehoord dat Stephany door haar familie als vermist was opgegeven. Hij stelt in die verhoren te hebben gevreesd dat Joran samen met haar ontvoerd was.

The 'mysterious' poker player tells investigators that he heard that Stephany was missing on Tuesday. He says he feared that Joran and Stephany where kidnapped together.

In de nacht van dinsdag op woensdag, vroeg deze man het hoofd van het casino Atlantic City te bellen naar het hotel en kamer van Joran. Als gevolg hiervan werd later die nacht het lichaam van Stephany Flores gevonden en onmiddellijk een internationaal opsporingsbevel uitgevaardigd tegen Joran.

In the night between Tuesday and Wednesday, this man asked the head of the Atlantic City casino to call to the hotel room of Joran. After this phonecall the body of Stephany Flores was found.

Hij stelde het lichaam niet te willen identificeren. "Ik wilde dat niet zien. Ik heb haar herkend op een foto van de politie."

Garcia didn't want to identify the body. "I didn't want to see it. I recognized her on a picture."

In de verhoren vraagt de politie niet door hoe het kan dat Garcia mensen naar de plaats van het misdrijf dirigeerde. Garcia stelt dat hij Joran nauwelijks kende en nooit op diens kamer was geweest. Het nummer van zijn mobiele telefoon zou hij niet bewust hebben opgeslagen in zijn telefoon. "Ik ben absoluut niet bevriend met hem. Ik ken hem alleen van gezicht doordat we samen pokerden aan de vrije tafel in casino Atlantic City."

In the interrogations, the police didn't ask throughly why Garcia led people to the crime scene. Garcia says he barely knew Joran and has never been to his hotelroom. "I'm absolutely not a friend of him. We just played poker together in the Atlantic City casino."

I'm sorry for the sloppy translation. I have an appointment and need to get ready so I'm in a hurry. Hope you can understand it. I don't know why they keep referring to him as 'the mysterious poker player'. It think it's just the newspaper being sensational.
 
I just wanted to leave you all with this article before i leave for the night. I am sorry that i will not translate the whole article as i am very tired, and dont know if it is against TOS to post the entire article and translate. But this is what I believe is the most important part.

“La autopsia determina, según dice la policía, que mi hija no ha tenido relaciones ni ha sido violada”, declaró Ricardo Flores en entrevista con “El Francotirador”. Sin embargo, dijo que no tiene detalles respecto a la versión de que Stephany habría sido drogada. “Se está recogiendo información a pedacitos”, comentó. ------> This says: "From what the police says, the autopsy determines that my daughter did not have relations (sexual) and was not raped" declared Ricardo Flores in an interview with "El Francotirador". However, he says that he does not have any details regarding the story that Stephany could have been drugged. "Information is being gathered in little pieces", he said.

I hope this link works. Im not very good at this linking stuff. http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490948...ja-no-tuvo-relaciones-sexuales-ni-fue-violada




Im still quite new to this, and am sorry if i have violated any rules. If needed please remove and let me know how I can help without commiting any rule violations.
 
Thanks for that translation Md89, Very Interesting. I think we'll start learning quite a bit more this week. xox
 
I just wanted to leave you all with this article before i leave for the night. I am sorry that i will not translate the whole article as i am very tired, and dont know if it is against TOS to post the entire article and translate. But this is what I believe is the most important part.

“La autopsia determina, según dice la policía, que mi hija no ha tenido relaciones ni ha sido violada”, declaró Ricardo Flores en entrevista con “El Francotirador”. Sin embargo, dijo que no tiene detalles respecto a la versión de que Stephany habría sido drogada. “Se está recogiendo información a pedacitos”, comentó. ------> This says: "From what the police says, the autopsy determines that my daughter did not have relations (sexual) and was not raped" declared Ricardo Flores in an interview with "El Francotirador". However, he says that he does not have any details regarding the story that Stephany could have been drugged. "Information is being gathered in little pieces", he said.

I hope this link works. Im not very good at this linking stuff. http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490948...ja-no-tuvo-relaciones-sexuales-ni-fue-violada




Im still quite new to this, and am sorry if i have violated any rules. If needed please remove and let me know how I can help without commiting any rule violations.

You did good ! We can't copy and paste whole articles due to copyright laws. Snipping . . . is how I do it but your way was great as it included the important part and both the original language and English.
 
Those are great pics! The last one says more than anyone, including Joran, ever could.

I don't get the chills easily but that picture is pure evil incarnate. To think that is the last view that Stephany and Natalie saw. So glad he is off the streets.
 
whew..........

eta: Leo's are not sensitive and sweet. I should know.

A bit OT - They are misunderstood (not speaking of JVS now). Some male leos include Bill Clinton and President Obama (isn't he sensitive and sweet in his own right) also Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ben Affleck and Andy Warhol.. Mostly nice guys with strong personalities.. I wouldn't say arrogant and bossy though.
 
Oscuro typically means dark. For exmple the color black. Or it can be used to describe a darker shade of another color. The employee is describing her dark colored shirt and red underwear. Sorry if this has already been clarified. Again I'm on my cell and still getting used to how it works so typing has been a pain to get used to.

Also, I would be glad to help in translating anything I can. Mind you, my spanish is from mexico so some words/slang may be a used a little different in Peru. As long as my kids don't n eed me and my phone has battery life, ill be able to do it. Although, it may take me a little longer using my cell. We won't have internet at home until tueday.

TY! I was about to point this out. Although I don't speak Spanish, I understood the translation to mean a dark polo shirt and red panties.
 
It is so unbelievable to me that Joran first pulls a financial scam in Aruba and then skips off to Peru where he commits murder. He must be completely out of touch with reality if he thought he could get away with any of this. His not flying out of Peru immediately after the murder is beyond incomprehensible. If the hotel was holding his passport, he could have easily made an excuse such as he needed it for ID. Dying his hair a bright orange to really make himself stand out in a crowd defies all common sense. I wonder what he would have done if not captured when he was. Without a passport he was really sunk. I wonder if he just plain forgot to retrieve it.
 
Not sure if this is the link Panthera was talking about, but it's one that I have saved / marked and references "back door". Considering the translations by google, not sure the "verb tense" re: went back to door or went to back door, is correct.

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"I went knocking on the door of Room 309, insisted several times and did not respond, in that act I heard the radio or the TV was turned on at high volume because they listened to outside the room," he said.

" I thought that Mr. Joran was resting and I left ... back, I opened the back door with the key, walked three meters and found that the room light was turned on, just as the regular TV volume. There a pair of canvas sneakers, was completely unmade bed, they had clothes on the floor, "explained the woman.


http://translate.google.com/transla...cci_parent=0&txtSecci_id=78&txtNota_id=366842


(sorry Panthera if this is not what you were talking about)

I think it gets rearranged in translation.

"I thought that Mr. Joran was resting and I left ... back, I opened the back door with the key,[/U] walked three meters and found that the room light was turned on, just as the regular TV volume. There a pair of canvas sneakers, was completely unmade bed, they had clothes on the floor, "explained the woman."

I think instead of "I opened the back door with a key" She meant she pushed the door back after she had opened it with her master key.

IMO
 
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/...ft:+The+Politics+of+Crime)&utm_content=PubSub

Apparently according to this site Stephany met Joran in the casino during the poker competition. Elton Garcia was along with Joran, and he also was staying at the same hotel.
Garcia stayed at the casino with Joran and Stephany until they left the casino at 5 am. There was a witness that saw them leave in the truck and saw Stephany driving.

The video shows the couple entering the Tac Hotel at 5:15 am, and then 3 hours later, on Sunday 8:10 am Joran is seen leaving the hotel and going to Wongs to buy bread and two cups of coffee.
Then he went back to the room and out again at 9:30 am to "address Stephany van", and he was carrying a small suitcase and a backpack.
It was indicated that she probably was dead by then.
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Well here's one for the timeline, if they left the casino about 5am and were seen entering the hotel at 5:15am, they didn't spend 45 minutes in her vehicle.
 
I think it gets rearranged in translation.

"I thought that Mr. Joran was resting and I left ... back, I opened the back door with the key,[/U] walked three meters and found that the room light was turned on, just as the regular TV volume. There a pair of canvas sneakers, was completely unmade bed, they had clothes on the floor, "explained the woman."

I think instead of "I opened the back door with a key" She meant she pushed the door back after she had opened it with her master key.

IMO

Well, considering we are reading her words and not hearing her speak them, my interpretation of the confusion with the word "back" was-
She says she thought Joran was resting so she left....(is there a pause in her verbal account here? Maybe she gasped, or her thoughts trailed off for a second,) and she continued on her statement starting with the word "back"...I read one account that said she entered the room, left, and her manager told her to "go back" (I think it was time for Joran to leave or pay up for more nights by Wednesday) So maybe she went back, nothing to do w/ a "back door". JMO.
 
While it's perhaps tempting to imagine all kinds of scenarios of how such a death could be by: accident or SODDI (some other dude did it) secretly hiding in the room, or JVS pushed her but he didn't really mean it, or someone crept up 3 stories on the outside of the building, spiderman-like and committed the crime, or the woman on the video may not really be SFR (hmroo???), I think it's really a very simple crime.

JVS murdered her. That was SFR on the video AND in the room. Her father identified her on the video. Her death may not have been preplanned, but as he was causing multiple injuries to her, it was premeditated, which is a legal concept. He knew his actions would and could (and did) lead to her death. He knew she was dead. Then he tried to ensure that no one would enter the room so he could escape. And he did. 2,000 mi away.

The injuries are documented and described by the coroner. It wasn't an accident. SFR was murdered and it was intentional. Why? Well we may never know, because the guy who committed the murder has a habit of of lying and then lying again. He's a psychopath who feels no remorse.

The videos are very clear and create a cohesive timeline. They show the perp, the victim, and the perp's movements outside the room.

If there is physical evidence linking JVS to the murder scene (blood, fibers, hair, etc) he doesn't have a chance. And it sounds like the investigators have a strong case so I'm sure we'll be hearing about the linking physical evidence in the coming weeks.

JVS is not some poor, scared, naughty little boy who needs to be understood and protected by pseudo-mommies. He's an adult. He has a history of psychopathic behaviors stretching back years. He is not a victim and no one tried to set him up by killing SFR or planting evidence on him.

I reserve all of my sympathies for the victims of JVS and their families, not for the big bully/killer/pimp/extortionist who already started what might have been a long career of exploiting and hurting others. Thank goodness he's been stopped. Finally.
 
I'm going to search for the link but I read he was NOT in the poker tournament itself. He was a "railbird."

ETA- Here is one of the links.
A journalist who happened to be there covering the Latin America Poker Tour wrote a blog for the San Francisco Chronicle describing the scene. Tournament officials told him van der Sloot wasn't playing in the poker tournament, but was instead a "railbird," a slang poker term referring to someone who stands elbow-to-elbow with other spectators.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/articl...earance-is-linked-to-another-killing/19504567

Yes, I believe that too. I think Joran had run through all of his money and didn't have enough to enter this big million dollar poker tournament. But they also have other poker tables going on other than the tournament tables where the ante isn't as high. I think he was with Stephany at one of those kind of tables.

IMO
 
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