Chilly Willy
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Perhaps it's a response to the people who called for George to leave Cindy and never go home again, or to the rumors that Lee and his parents are at odds.
A thesaurus includes similar words with connotations that may be employed to be derogatory in nature, or not. The context reveals the intent and follows a pattern to dehumanize a gesture that is very basic to human nature: the desire to comfort when odds are little comfort can be given.
Exactly! The sexual (and derogatory) connotation did not occur to me, but it did to you.
Sorry, but that's not right. She patted (see, we don't all agree it WASNT was "patting" ) and rubbed. I don't think her actions were inappropriate on the morning show and I don't think they were inappropriate at the memorial. A memorial is designed to allow for the expression of grief and for the reaching out to comfort those who are grieving. Memorials are emotional. They will evoke emotional responses.
Wives and mothers are comforters. It's what we do when we see our loved ones hurting. I could no more ignore the pain of my sons and my husband than I could ignore a two foot sword sticking out of my right eyeball. If I were to see grief and suffering in my family, I would be compelled to reach out to them, to offer what ever means of comfort and support was available to me.
I also rub my husband's leg all the time when we are seated next to one another, and he frequently rubs mine. Condemn us if you will, but 33 years of marriage has not dulled our need to reach out to one another. We're so rottenly evil to the core that we actually KISS in church! in front of our pastor! We don't engage in lengthy kisses, passionate kisses or anything of that nature, but we do kiss each other to express our love. We are touchers. I know that's maybe not something that is common to all families, heck I have a friend whose parents never spoke the words "I love you" much less reached out to touch her.....they expressed their love and comfort other ways. But I suspect that Cindy is a toucher---she's an RN, and those drawn to that career are probably high in compassion and high in the desire to reach out to heal.
While the thesauras may offer words such as "stroking" as a substitute for rubbing, there is a difference. To say a doctor rubbed a bump on my leg has a far different inference than to say he stroked my leg. One has more of a sexual connotation to it. While "petting" may be a substitute for "patting" I would offer that most people pet their animals and pat their children on the back.
This "petting" was raised in another thread but it bears repeating. I only watched a couple of snippets from the entire show, and that continuous petting of George and Lee was downright weird. It was about control, Cindy staying on top of things. It was not a gesture of comfort. The guys were doing okay all by themselves. But she had to place herself in the limelight as well. Neither of the men stroked Cindy like that. You can tell who is running the show, and I can see the invisible strings connected to that "comforting" hand.
Gah! The more I think about it, the more monstrous she appears to me. I think that any book written about this case should be entitled, Mommy Dearest.
I agree that in times of trial we do grow closer to God as we should but, is it genuine when we only look for him when we are in the valley and never praise him when we are on the mountain top? I can only imagine the horror that they have gone through over the loss of Caylee. Then the unimaginable that KC may be responsible for her death. I think that this family was an unbelievable mess to begin with and that this situation only magnified the problems. It is just my observation that the only one who I feel is sincere in all of this is GA. I think that KC learned all of her mnnipulative tricks from her mother and LA has some serious anger issues (maybe rightfully so) I do say all this knowing absolutely nothing about them other than what I see on t.v and what I read here. Maybe I am way off.
(cross-posting this from the Caylee may be cremated thread, hope that's okay.)
This thought has been bugging me since this morning. Perhaps the Anthonys meant "this family is united" literally as well as figuratively?
Interesting thought! Did a quick Google search on "cremains locket" and was actually astonished by the quantity and variety of jewelry out there meant to hold cremains. I bet that's exactly what was meant by picking out jewelry for Caylee.
They also make cremains bracelets (an example here: http://www.funeral-urn.com/cremation-jewelry-titanium-bracelet.aspx.) Did anyone get a clear look at the bracelet on Lee's wrist that he kissed twice? I wonder if the whole family is wearing Caylee around with them now. Would lend new meaning to the phrase "the family is united."
Now I'm wondering about the bracelet Baez and/or CA tried to smuggle into KC. Has it been confirmed it was a soft plastic Caylee bracelet? Is there anyway they were trying to get some of Caylee's cremains to her?
(cross-posting this from the Caylee may be cremated thread, hope that's okay.)
This thought has been bugging me since this morning. Perhaps the Anthonys meant "this family is united" literally as well as figuratively?
Interesting thought! Did a quick Google search on "cremains locket" and was actually astonished by the quantity and variety of jewelry out there meant to hold cremains. I bet that's exactly what was meant by picking out jewelry for Caylee.
They also make cremains bracelets (an example here: http://www.funeral-urn.com/cremation-jewelry-titanium-bracelet.aspx.) Did anyone get a clear look at the bracelet on Lee's wrist that he kissed twice? I wonder if the whole family is wearing Caylee around with them now. Would lend new meaning to the phrase "the family is united."
Now I'm wondering about the bracelet Baez and/or CA tried to smuggle into KC. Has it been confirmed it was a soft plastic Caylee bracelet? Is there anyway they were trying to get some of Caylee's cremains to her?
Perhaps it's a response to the people who called for George to leave Cindy and never go home again, or to the rumors that Lee and his parents are at odds.
A caress is fine. Here again, an attempt to characterize appropriate behavior as wholly inappropriate.
I agree that in times of trial we do grow closer to God as we should but, is it genuine when we only look for him when we are in the valley and never praise him when we are on the mountain top?
Perhaps it's a response to the people who called for George to leave Cindy and never go home again, or to the rumors that Lee and his parents are at odds.
I think he was referring to the recent speculation that there was/is a rift between the family members & that they were going to throw one another under the bus. Making it clear to the public and le that they are still supporting each other.
ETA - Although I have critiqued the A's words and actions, I do not see anything improper with her petting, patting, stroking, caressing, whatever you want to call it. I have sons, and sometimes a comforting gesture from me is stronger than any words I could possibly say. It's just a reminder that I am here, take my strength, give me your pain. Think of trying to comfort your newborn, softly stroking their back to quiet sobs. My sons will always be that small in my arms.
Thank you, elfie. Sometimes I am AMAZED at what I read here.
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I have to agree with you. Normally the concept of a "close family," is something we revere and admire--it's sacrosanct and so we tend to feel guilty for saying anything to harm or belittle the Anthonys' desire to preserve their Family. The truth, however, is that the Family unit they are so proud of and which they so zealously safeguard, is as destructive to its members--and as unwholesome--as a cult. I know they never meant for things to go so wrong, but the facts are indisputable and horrible: This small, closely-knit family of 5 has yielded up one murderer; one dead baby who should have and could have been protected; one suicidal father; one relentlessly controlling and unabashedly dishonest mother; and one son with anger and defiance issues deep enough to cause him to attend his "beloved" neice's solemn public memorial without tie or jacket and then to "speak in tongues" in order to bewilder the mourners. When it comes to this family's demand to proudly preserve its unity, all I can say is, God help them if they do preserve it.
I say all this without malice. I truly pity their plight and their pain, and their seeming inability or unwillingness to step away, into the light of reality and honesty. Maybe little Caylee will be able to help and guide one or two of them.
----------------------If GA,LA and CA are standing united good for them, if their motives are pure. If it is to continue to be evasive and not tell the whole truth so that Caylee's killer will be brought to justce then shame on them.
I thought the memorial was about solely for Caylee.
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I have to agree with you. Normally the concept of a "close family," is something we revere and admire--it's sacrosanct and so we tend to feel guilty for saying anything to harm or belittle the Anthonys' desire to preserve their Family. The truth, however, is that the Family unit they are so proud of and which they so zealously safeguard, is as destructive to its members--and as unwholesome--as a cult. I know they never meant for things to go so wrong, but the facts are indisputable and horrible: This small, closely-knit family of 5 has yielded up one murderer; one dead baby who should have and could have been protected; one suicidal father; one relentlessly controlling and unabashedly dishonest mother; and one son with anger and defiance issues deep enough to cause him to attend his "beloved" neice's solemn public memorial without tie or jacket and then to "speak in tongues" in order to bewilder the mourners. When it comes to this family's demand to proudly preserve its unity, all I can say is, God help them if they do preserve it.
I say all this without malice. I truly pity their plight and their pain, and their seeming inability or unwillingness to step away, into the light of reality and honesty. Maybe little Caylee will be able to help and guide one or two of them.