Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #11

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Don't know if this has been addressed or not, but maybe the other students' laptops may have been used. LE wouldn't be able to get warrants without a little added pressure. Could this be a possibility since many are not being cooperative?

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Kat said a while back that Shoneys was not cooperative. Someone waited on her and someone cashed her out, for starters. JMO
 
Maybe some special purchase he needed to make? JMO

I have suggested the Decatur stop might have been to purchase a used vehicle, even a small used pop up or camper.


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Kat said a while back that Shoneys was not cooperative. Someone waited on her and someone cashed her out, for starters. JMO
We have no idea if she ate there.

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I have suggested the Decatur stop might have been to purchase a used vehicle, even a small used pop up or camper.


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Or a Craigs list item for cash not involving ID. Or a swap, of some sort. They may have been in Decatur for HOURS before the phone ping. Ping could have happened on their way out . JMO
 
O/T but have to say how thankful I am for websleuths and it's members. I've been out of touch because of a surgery and wanted a quick update. For whatever reason I checked on social media first and got nowhere fast. Lesson learned...Thank you WS & (though sometimes frustrating) TOS!

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Amen to that! Have had same experience. Hope you have a speedy recovery.

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I don't think that any of us expected for them to be gone this long and to have only 1 sighting.
There are complete idiots who get away with poorly planned crimes all the time.

There is nothing in this guys profile or background that suggests anything other than average or below. In fact the easiest way even an idiot can feed their narcissism is by targeting a 15-year-old child. He was probably over his head in any other interactions. This crime is likely all about feeding some hole in his soul that directly derives from his psychological (and likely physical) inadequacy.
If they are simply off the grid on $5k, even though that is not much it is sufficient for three or or four months and chance of finding them during htis period y are low. When he runs out of money it will be game over.
 
There are complete idiots who get away with poorly planned crimes all the time.

There is nothing in this guys profile or background that suggests anything other than average or below. In fact the easiest way even an idiot can feed their narcissism is by targeting a 15-year-old child. He was probably over his head in any other interactions. This crime is likely all about feeding some hole in his soul that directly derives from his psychological (and likely physical) inadequacy.
If they are simply off the grid on $5k, even though that is not much it is sufficient for three or or four months and chance of finding them during htis period y are low. When he runs out of money it will be game over.

Exactly. I hope they will be found before they run out of money, but that will take luck and eagle-eyed citizens. Most people are blindly oblivious, and I'm guessing that they're staying off the beaten path during daylight hours for the most part. LE was not so much outsmarted as they were outrun. The one smart thing they did was get out of Tennessee straight away.
 
He was terminated/fired on March 14th, the day after he abducted her, actually when the Amber Alert was notified, that's when he was terminated and his termination was based on the fact that he had the Amber Alert against him.

The letter from the Superintendent of Schools in the first in this packet:

https://www.scribd.com/document/342518237/Tad-Cummins-Personnel-file-Redacted

There are two packets, some documents are in that one and some documents are in this one:

https://mgtvwkrn.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/thomas-packet-to-media.pdf

Thank you.

He was suspended the day the attorney wrote the first letter trying to find out more information. Letter from attorney dated 2/6 and document from 2/8 from the school notes he was suspended also on 2/6. If I am reading the documents in the second link correctly.

ETA - he may have been officially fired later but he was suspended the same date as the attorneys letter it appears.
First reprimand from the school 2/3.
 
Thank you.

He was suspended the day the attorney wrote the first letter trying to find out more information. Letter from attorney dated 2/6 and document from 2/8 from the school notes he was suspended also on 2/6. If I am reading the documents in the second link correctly.

ETA - he may have been officially fired later but he was suspended the same date as the attorneys letter it appears.
First reprimand from the school 2/3.

I don't know if this is the latest one (copied and pasted), individual working links can be found in this post: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ounty-13-March-2017-9&p=13276022#post13276022). I also changed her height to 5' her sister said in an earlier thread.

Cummins is 50 years old
Cummins married his wife in 1985
Cummins told students he was a millionaire and a CIA operative that traveled on secret missions

Elizabeth Thomas is 15
ET is 5'
ET is left handed
ET has hazel eyes
ET has a slight lisp
ET has no discernible accent
ET has scars on face

On January 23 a female schoolmate saw TC kiss ET on the lips in the classroom with TC's grandchild in the room "Cummins was inside his classroom after school Jan. 23 with his grandson and Thomas, the girl told family members, when she walked in and inexplicably saw them kissing. Cummins and Thomas were sitting side by side in chairs and kissed on the lips as the grandchild, who also attends Culleoka, was using one of the classroom's computers."
http://www.columbiadailyherald.com/n...izabeth-thomas


January 24th the female student confronted TC about the kiss with another student. TC told the students he was a father figure to ET and she was a "close and best friend". "The 12-year-old seventh-grader went to Cummins the morning of Jan. 24 for an explanation before reporting him, the family said. She wanted to know the nature of his relationship with Thomas."
http://www.columbiadailyherald.com/n...izabeth-thomas
and, "According to his personnel file, when Cummins was confronted, he told two students he was a “father figure” to Elizabeth and saw her as a “close and best friend.” He also said that Elizabeth “had been through a lot and had suffered an abusive home life.”"
http://www.wsmv.com/story/34967126/d...ling-home-life



LE also started an investigation. "The student was "very credible," Maury County Sheriff Bucky Rowland said, setting off an investigation into Cummins' behavior and relationship with students."
http://www.columbiadailyherald.com/n...izabeth-thomas

January 30th school concluded investigation, found no evidence since both ET and TC denied the kiss but ET was removed from class.
January 31 ET's father found out about kiss from Sheriff who was investigating the issue.

January 31 ET's father sent a letter to school expressing concern through his attorney Whatley.
"Whatley says when Mr. Thomas searched Elizabeth’s phone, he found she had been communicating with Cummins. The letter sent Feb. 6 from Whatley to the school also says, “I cannot overemphasize to you the concern we have here.”"
http://wkrn.com/2017/03/19/school-do...ns-and-thomas/


February 3 TC is reprimanded for having ET in his room. Another teacher said she was in the classroom for over 30mins.
"The teacher would later be reprimanded on Feb. 3 by school principal Penny Love after the girl was seen in Cummins classroom for a little more than half an hour that day. In her letter, Love said the girl being in his classroom was a violation of the principal’s order to him."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tad-cumm...zabeth-thomas/

February 6 TC is suspended for insubordination

March 13 ET tells her sister to call 911 if she isn't home by 6pm
http://abcnews.go.com/US/timeline-al...ry?id=46273578

Other details:

School never informed ET's father of inappropriate contact or of any investigation
http://abcnews.go.com/US/timeline-al...ry?id=46273578

ET was dropped off by friend at Shoney's on March 13th, ET asked friend to instead take her back home, friend refused.
Friend who dropped ET off is not cooperating with LE

"Employees at the Shoney's in Columbia said Thomas was waiting with her bags inside the restaurant on March 13. They said when Tad Cummins pulled up, the teen ran outside leaving her back pack behind."
http://whnt.com/2017/03/24/da-elizab...dissapearance/

School and students refuse to wear green ribbons in support of ET and ET has been called a harlot (per Sister)

TC has two guns (unknown what type) "Authorities say he is armed with two handguns"
http://www.9news.com/news/crime/stat...teen/423257704

ET's phone pinged in Decatur AL March 13 at 3:06pm "A spokesperson for the Decatur, Alabama, police told ABC News by phone that Elizabeth had not been physically seen in or around Decatur and that reports of their whereabouts may have been attributed to a ping from the girl’s cell phone."
http://krvn.com/abc_national/timelin...abcid35882433/

ET was originally reported as a runaway, although her father early on maintained she had been abducted by TC

TC's wife reported him missing.

LE concluded 24 hours after both reported missing that TC and ET were together, so they had a 24 headstart before the Amber Alert was issued. "Thomas, a 15-year-old from Middle Tennessee, disappeared with her ex-teacher, 50-year-old Tad Cummins, on March 13. There have been no confirmed sightings since that day and an Amber Alert was issued the next day"
http://www.9news.com/news/crime/stat...teen/423257704

Amber Alert has not been issued nationwide.

LE believe they may be in Mexico or Central America posing as missionaries.
"Law enforcement in Mexico has been notified of the Amber Alert," Cooper said. "But we don't know how much publicity it's getting and we need people down there to know about this because it's possible that's where they are. Cooper said although authorities don't have any information specifically linking Cummins and Thomas to Mexico, it's possible they made it that far."Because he was a very religious man, very knowledgeable of the Bible, it's possible that he's playing the role of a missionary in that area," Cooper said. "
http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/in..._thomas_u.html

TC took a loan for 4,500. "TBI said Cummins secured a title loan for a personal vehicle and other personal effects several days before his disappearance, netting $4,500 in cash."
http://fox17.com/news/local/tbi-rele...izabeth-thomas

TC searched teen marriages " Cummins researched 'teen marriage' just a few days before he and Elizabeth disappeared. "
http://www.9news.com/news/crime/stat...teen/423257704

TC searched disabling GPS on automobile "Cummins also searched whether police could track his car, a Nissan Rogue, according to TBI."
http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/in..._thomas_a.html

TC took Nissan Rogue, leaving wife with his Jeep which she is unable to drive "He took the car,” Scott said. “And she (Cummins' wife) can’t even drive a stick.”
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news...mins/99515186/

TC told his wife on the morning he disappeared he was going out for a job interview.

TC has an associates degree, was a respiratory therapist, taught forensics, had an alternative certification to teach
"Cummins has held a professional occupational educators license since 2014 in health science. To obtain the license, educators need one year’s work in the field in the past five years and an associate degree."
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news...mins/99515186/

TC has a degree in interdisciplinary studies
"He later returned to school at Tennessee State University while teaching, graduating in 2014 with a degree in interdisciplinary studies"
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news...mins/99515186/


TC's former colleague states TC was a bully and narcissist

TC's former colleague is offering a 5,000 reward

LE is offering a 1,000 reward

There have been no credible sightings of TC or ET since March 13

ET left a bag behind at Shoney's, but it was later gone. The story goes that it was left outside and picked up by someone.
Shoney's had no working surveillance camera (per Sister) and ""We believe for one reason or another she left one of these bags behind and it disappeared later that day," said DA Brent Cooper.Cooper said someone either took the bag or Elizabeth may have come back for it" http://whnt.com/2017/03/24/da-elizab...dissapearance/

ET has wheat and tomato allergies and needs an epi pen.(per Sister)

ET took her sister's bathing suit with her (per Sister)

ET hid from TC when he tried to see her at work. "One of Thomas family lawyers told WKRN that, at some point before the March 13 disappearance, Cummins came into Elizabeth's work place. The teen hid in a bathroom and urged a co-worker to tell the teacher that she wasn't there." http://patch.com/tennessee/nashville...ns-family-says (this was also confirmed by Sister)

ET had been taken from her mother's custody and her father has custody of her.
"Elizabeth is one of 10 children in a single-parent home because her father now has full custody of all of them."
http://www.wsmv.com/story/34967126/d...ling-home-life

ET had formerly been homeschooled, was a freshman in high school and had just started public school.
"She started as a freshman this year, entering the public school system for the very first time."
http://www.wsmv.com/story/34967126/d...ling-home-life

TC was her teacher.
"The high school freshman was in Cummins’ Forensics class at Culleoka Unit School."
http://wkrn.com/2017/03/19/school-do...ns-and-thomas/

ET's mother was charged with abuse and lost custody.
"“police arrested Elizabeth’s mother, Kimberly Thomas, last year. She was charged with five counts of child abuse and neglect. According to court documents, Kimberly Thomas beat Elizabeth and four of her siblings.”"
http://www.wsmv.com/story/34967126/d...ling-home-life

ET's mother gave an interview.

TC was looking for work in Decatur.
"The Morgan County Sheriff’s department told News 2 they received tips that Cummins was looking for work in the area."
http://wkrn.com/2017/03/24/tbi-no-cr...disappearance/

TC and ET may have stayed in a motel in Decatur the first night
"And in Alabama's Morgan County, the Sheriff's Department said Elizabeth and Cummins may have stayed at a motel in Decatur, reported ABC affiliate WAAY on Thursday."
http://abc13.com/news/family-of-teen...found/1818992/


TC watched shows about living off the grid "Investigators also tell CBS News that Cummins appears to have been planning this for some time by watching survivalist shows."
http://www.ktvq.com/story/34952463/m...eacher-student

TC has no criminal record in the state of TN. "Cummins has no criminal record in the state of Tennessee."
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/34935506...y-went-missing

I'll be editing this post with sources and such, but is there anything I missed?

Destany Parrish is a former student who TC may have groomed prior to ET, made alone time for the two of them and sang her a love song he'd written. He told us all one day that the office had gotten on to him and that we all had to go back to the lunch room because that's where we're supposed to be anyway," Parrish recalled. "Everybody left and I got my bag and got ready to leave, and he said the office hadn't said anything to him, he just didn't want that many kids in his room. It just ended up being he and I chilling in there. I would go there after school.”
Parrish said she would go to Cummins’ room after school and he would often take her to services at the Destiny Church in Columbia Parrish was 15 at the time, in 2011 she was his student.
http://www.wsmv.com/story/34977042/t...p-with-teacher

"One day, Parrish said Cummins arranged for them to be alone and he sang the lyrics he had written.
One of the lyrics read, "I could swim for a thousand miles in the oceans inside your eyes and never reach the side."
"It was just me and tad. We were in the music room. It was right next to his classroom, and I had learned a new song on the piano," said Parrish. "I was gonna go show him, but he sat down first and played that song, and I started recording a little bit in.
When asked if she felt the song was for her, Parrish said she didn't assume, but looking back, things seem different."
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/for...er-a-love-song

Interview with Thomas family attorneys by Nancy Grace: https://www.podcastchart.com/podcast...-at-school/pop
 
We have no idea if she ate there.

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That's true, I haven't read anything that said she actually ate while she was there. It might have just been a convenient meeting place.
 
That's true, I haven't read anything that said she actually ate while she was there. It might have just been a convenient meeting place.
Yes, or where the friend worked. I haven't seen anything reported about why Shoneys, what she did there or anything.

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TC's former colleague and his partner upped the reward to $10,000.
 
Thank you JerseyGirl this is what I was looking for a timeline.

I think it is a weird coincidence he was suspended the same day ET fathers attorney sent a letter both occurred on Feb 6th.

TC had a written reprimand on Feb 3 but wasn't suspended until Monday Feb 6 the same date the attorney's letter is dated.
Did the school receive the letter then suspend TC or did the school suspend TC then the letter came?
Why wait for Monday the 6th to suspend when they could have done so on Friday Feb 3 when they wrote up a written reprimand?
Written reprimand on Friday then over the weekend decided to suspend on Monday - what happened over the weekend?

I bring this up because the attorney may feel something more needs to be addressed with someone holding back information and why he is trying to get folks to testify under oath. Seems like missing information.

Incidentally suspended on Feb 6 and not terminated until March 14th what is that 5 or 6 weeks? Did the school investigate more or drop it? Also thats a long time for rumors and gossip to go around especially if a "favorite" teacher is gone.
 
I'm wondering if these depositions are about a lawsuit against the school.

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I personally don't feel that I have enough background info to pounce all over the school for how they handled things. Others disagree with me, and that's fine. I'm just not sure we know the full story here.

JMO
If that article shares legit information I believe the school is at fault for allowing back rubs, hand holding etc. If it was blatant enough to where students and faculty were calling her names then it should have been handled a long time ago by the higher ups.

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If that article shares legit information I believe the school is at fault for allowing back rubs, hand holding etc. If it was blatant enough to where students and faculty were calling her names then it should have been handled a long time ago by the higher ups.

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It's a tough call. School administrators aren't in classrooms everyday so I think sometimes there's a disconnect between what goes on and what they actually know. But in TC's case, it's obvious that this wasn't exactly a secret...students and teachers all saw him and ET together. Once another student claimed to have seen them kissing, the administrators were on notice that something was going on. If he really was allowed to chaperone a field trip ET was on after claiming they told TC there was to be no contact between the two of them, I think that was a failure on the school's part.

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The letter from ET fathers attorney was dated 2/6/17 and a memo from the school noted that it was received on 2/6/17 so I should have read better.

I think its a strange coincidence that TC was reprimanded on Friday Feb 3 but suspended on Feb 6 when a letter was received from the attorney.

I'm not saying the school is at fault I'm saying this is a red flag for me and I see where the attorney might feel so also.
 
The petition reveals further details — some that are new and some that have been previously reported — about interactions between Cummins and Thomas. The document claims, among other things, that:

Cummins was a chaperone — and perhaps the only chaperone — on a student field trip Thomas attended in late January, after school officials had been notified that Cummins was seen kissing Thomas on the lips in a classroom and were said to be investigating the incident.

Cummins allegedly went to Elizabeth’s home on multiple occasions, without her father’s knowledge, and pressured her to go out for a meal with him, threatening “repercussions at school” if she did not comply.

Elizabeth reportedly told friends and siblings that she felt overwhelmed and in “over her head” in her relationship with the teacher, and that she was scared of him.

Cummins would allegedly visit Elizabeth’s place of work at a fast food restaurant, sometimes against the girl’s wishes. On multiple occasions she reportedly asked co-workers to tell him she was not there.

Cummins allegedly told Elizabeth that “her future collegiate and work career was ruined” because of the kissing incident, and further attempted to make her feel guilty for his subsequent suspension from the school.

A fellow high school student allegedly found Elizabeth sleeping alone on a hospital bed in Cummins’ classroom one morning before classes began.

Elizabeth reportedly told the friend who dropped her off at a restaurant to meet Cummins on the morning of March 13 that she did not want to go, and was having thoughts about spending the day with him — and that she told this friend that she was meeting someone other than Cummins.

http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/04/...homas-and-that-she-didnt-want-to-go-with-him/
 
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