GUILTY TN - Yair Carillo, 4 days old, abducted, mom stabbed, Antioch, 29 Sept 2009

[SuziQ]

Rescued Nashville baby still not reunited with mom
Baby Yair Antonio Carrillo is in the care of the Tennessee Department of Children Services but there’s no definite answer on when the child will be reunited with his family.

The baby is with a foster care family, said DCS spokesman Rob Johnson.

“It’s a happy resolution to this case,” he said. “We’re working actively to reunite them but we don’t know when.”

More: http://www.tennessean.com/article/2...ed+Nashville+baby+still+not+reunited+with+mom

I'm not understanding this. The family already had one child taken from them, why torture them by taking the other three? It could be questions about living conditions or something. But if not, this is very cruel IMO.

 

[Soulmagent]

I'm not understanding this. The family already had one child taken from them, why torture them by taking the other three? It could be questions about living conditions or something. But if not, this is very cruel IMO.

I have to wonder why they took the children, did they find drugs maybe? Even if they did ,I dont think children are automaticly removed. I realy feel this completely points out the fact that most illegals are scared to ask the police for help which is what the Kidnapper had counted on. She was missing one child and now she is missing 4? They could be ruining her chance to bond with the baby.
Of course they could be investagating the family to see if they tryed to sell their baby and the plan backfired the woman buying the baby didnt have money. Kinda weird the woman found her way to that house from AL. Who knows ,I dont know if we will ever hear they rest of this story as it apears to be in J&D Courts now.

 

[panthera]

"Gurrolla told investigators that during the abduction, she heard the woman make a phone call and tell someone in Spanish words to the effect of "the job is done" and that the mother "was dying," said Siskovic, the FBI agent.

Siskovic said Silas took the victim's cell phone, which helped investigators locate Silas.

He would not comment further on the possibility that Silas was not working alone."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091004/ap_on_re_us/us_tenn_newborn_snatched

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

So, in the article where the boyfriend talks, he says that he picked up the woman and Yair from the AIRPORT. For many reasons this doesn't make sense. Not saying it didn't happen, but let's think about this.....

Authorities had images of the vehicle, and a tip on the vehicle is reportedly something that helped find them. Which means the vehicle would have had to be driven back to Alabama.

If a "heavy set blonde woman" was allowed to board an airplane with an infant, when there was an AMBER Alert for an infant with a heavy set blonde woman...we have a *serious* problem here.

 

[dreamweaver]

So, in the article where the boyfriend talks, he says that he picked up the woman and Yair from the AIRPORT. For many reasons this doesn't make sense. Not saying it didn't happen, but let's think about this.....

Authorities had images of the vehicle, and a tip on the vehicle is reportedly something that helped find them. Which means the vehicle would have had to be driven back to Alabama.

If a "heavy set blonde woman" was allowed to board an airplane with an infant, when there was an AMBER Alert for an infant with a heavy set blonde woman...we have a *serious* problem here.

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Hmm. I had not thought that through. Good catch.
If his story is to be believed, maybe he went to pick her and baby up and she was already there, plane in early, ??

 

[MomofBoys]

My best guess is that the Texas story was somehow a crucial part of her "plan" and she planned on meeting him in the baggage claim area of the airport. Didn't need security clearance; she could pretend she had just gotten off a flight. He wouldn't make the connection with the stolen baby in TN as "I just picked her up from the airport!"

In terms of the children being taken--I had and continue to have serious doubts about the mother's story. Maybe this woman did just scout out moms in the Walmart, but why, coming all the way from Alabama, did she choose that Walmart? That town? Why was the mother stabbed repeatedly, but so shallowly? Maybe it was luck, but I can GUARANTEE you that if I was mobile enough to run across the street, one or three of my children would be with me. No way in hell would I leave more children than I had to inside the home with a potentially homicidal maniac. I'd die first. That might sound like monday morning quarterbacking, but I can't imagine a single situation where they wouldn't be my first and only priority.

Her statements after the abduction bother me. I don't like to judge anyone's method of dealing with these things, but she appeared very cold. Her comments about the phone call that was made sent my radar up. She clearly wasn't dying; why would the abductor say she was? "The job is done" sounds like something she picked up from a movie.

The FBI is saying there's not an ongoing threat, yet these kids are in state custody. I'd like to believe they don't take such things lightly. I bet they apprehended the woman and her statements led them to credible information that this abduction wasn't by accident.

 

[Anothermom]

My best guess is that the Texas story was somehow a crucial part of her "plan" and she planned on meeting him in the baggage claim area of the airport. Didn't need security clearance; she could pretend she had just gotten off a flight. He wouldn't make the connection with the stolen baby in TN as "I just picked her up from the airport!"

In terms of the children being taken--I had and continue to have serious doubts about the mother's story. Maybe this woman did just scout out moms in the Walmart, but why, coming all the way from Alabama, did she choose that Walmart? That town? Why was the mother stabbed repeatedly, but so shallowly? Maybe it was luck, but I can GUARANTEE you that if I was mobile enough to run across the street, one or three of my children would be with me. No way in hell would I leave more children than I had to inside the home with a potentially homicidal maniac. I'd die first. That might sound like monday morning quarterbacking, but I can't imagine a single situation where they wouldn't be my first and only priority.

Her statements after the abduction bother me. I don't like to judge anyone's method of dealing with these things, but she appeared very cold. Her comments about the phone call that was made sent my radar up. She clearly wasn't dying; why would the abductor say she was? "The job is done" sounds like something she picked up from a movie.

The FBI is saying there's not an ongoing threat, yet these kids are in state custody. I'd like to believe they don't take such things lightly. I bet they apprehended the woman and her statements led them to credible information that this abduction wasn't by accident.

She was targeted at the WIC building in Nashville...she just happened to be the unlucky choice.

 

[CarrieBean]

Reading the thread backwards here, but

You need to go through security after you pick up your baggage. The only people allowed in the baggage area are passengers getting off the plane and employees.

 

[MomofBoys]

Reading the thread backwards here, but

You need to go through security after you pick up your baggage. The only people allowed in the baggage area are passengers getting off the plane and employees.

Where? In Tampa, anyone can escort you through baggage claim. My husband and parents are always helping me get my luggage, etc,

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Reading the thread backwards here, but

You need to go through security after you pick up your baggage. The only people allowed in the baggage area are passengers getting off the plane and employees.

I think that depends on the airport. All of the ones that I have been to, pretty much anyone can be in the baggage claim area.

 

[mycroft]

My best guess is that the Texas story was somehow a crucial part of her "plan" and she planned on meeting him in the baggage claim area of the airport. Didn't need security clearance; she could pretend she had just gotten off a flight. He wouldn't make the connection with the stolen baby in TN as "I just picked her up from the airport!"

In terms of the children being taken--I had and continue to have serious doubts about the mother's story. Maybe this woman did just scout out moms in the Walmart, but why, coming all the way from Alabama, did she choose that Walmart? That town? Why was the mother stabbed repeatedly, but so shallowly? Maybe it was luck, but I can GUARANTEE you that if I was mobile enough to run across the street, one or three of my children would be with me. No way in hell would I leave more children than I had to inside the home with a potentially homicidal maniac. I'd die first. That might sound like monday morning quarterbacking, but I can't imagine a single situation where they wouldn't be my first and only priority.

Her statements after the abduction bother me. I don't like to judge anyone's method of dealing with these things, but she appeared very cold. Her comments about the phone call that was made sent my radar up. She clearly wasn't dying; why would the abductor say she was? "The job is done" sounds like something she picked up from a movie.

The FBI is saying there's not an ongoing threat, yet these kids are in state custody. I'd like to believe they don't take such things lightly. I bet they apprehended the woman and her statements led them to credible information that this abduction wasn't by accident.

Pure speculation responding to this and some other points above:

I've read that the Kia was rented.

I've never been to an airport where you had to go through security with your luggage on arrival expect when going through customs when arriving from an international flight.

Perhaps they had been in contact via the web or other means about adopting this one out, and the mother changed her mind, either legitimately or because it was a scam all along. I've heard of such situations where the adopting parents send out money for prenatal care, etc. and then the mother exercises her right to keep the baby. Sometimes more than one couple has been on the hook expecting the child. It might explain why she followed them but didn't take along a weapon.

Maybe she was told something happened and the baby had not survived, and then confronted the woman after seeing the baby. She may have arrived in TN expecting to bring the child home, and told the BF the Texas story to cover her tracks after forcibly taking the child. That might explain why the other kids were taken pending judicial review.

 

[CarrieBean]

I'll take your word for it. Any airport I have ever been in you grab your baggage after getting off the plane then go through security. Security/customs decides then if they want to search your baggage. Bags are some times checked before being sent out on the belt, by hand and/or by dogs but still need to go through security. I haven't been in a whole lot of airports though. Some smaller ones in Ontario, Pearson, Detroit, MoBay, and Veradero. The process has always been the same for me. Curious when you go through security with your bags if not after grabbing them off the belt? I have never travelled within the US though.

 

[CarrieBean]

I guess that answers that. My flights were all international.

 

[angelmom]

I'll take your word for it. Any airport I have ever been in you grab your baggage after getting off the plane then go through security. Security/customs decides then if they want to search your baggage. Bags are some times checked before being sent out on the belt, by hand and/or by dogs but still need to go through security. I haven't been in a whole lot of airports though. Some smaller ones in Ontario, Pearson, Detroit, MoBay, and Veradero. The process has always been the same for me. Curious when you go through security with your bags if not after grabbing them off the belt? I have never travelled within the US though.

The checked bags (and people and carry-ons, for that matter) go through security on the way in. I've never had to go through security on my way off the plane at all unless it was an international flight.

However, there is a point where only ticketed passengers can get through to go to the gates, which is why we usually meet in baggage claim.


Is it possible she drove back to AL, left her car in the parking lot (so it would appear to have been left there for days) and then walked into the airport so her BF could pick her up? There should be plenty of security footage if so.

And ITA that if she were allowed on a plane it is a problem. But I don't think she did. I think she drove to the airport so she could carry out her story.

 

[mycroft]

The checked bags (and people and carry-ons, for that matter) go through security on the way in. I've never had to go through security on my way off the plane at all unless it was an international flight.

However, there is a point where only ticketed passengers can get through to go to the gates, which is why we usually meet in baggage claim.


Is it possible she drove back to AL, left her car in the parking lot (so it would appear to have been left there for days) and then walked into the airport so her BF could pick her up? There should be plenty of security footage if so.

And ITA that if she were allowed on a plane it is a problem. But I don't think she did. I think she drove to the airport so she could carry out her story.

I believe that SC governor was doing something similar with his car. Got a ride to the airport and then drove away in another car to his real destination.

I don't think domestic flights require ID for kids either, if she flew.

 

[LadyL]

hallejuiah the baby is safe!

not often we get good news

very curious as to what else is going on here though

how long of a flight (or drive) did this lady have?

 

[CHICANA]

Pure speculation responding to this and some other points above:

I've read that the Kia was rented.

I've never been to an airport where you had to go through security with your luggage on arrival expect when going through customs when arriving from an international flight.

Perhaps they had been in contact via the web or other means about adopting this one out, and the mother changed her mind, either legitimately or because it was a scam all along. I've heard of such situations where the adopting parents send out money for prenatal care, etc. and then the mother exercises her right to keep the baby. Sometimes more than one couple has been on the hook expecting the child. It might explain why she followed them but didn't take along a weapon.

Maybe she was told something happened and the baby had not survived, and then confronted the woman after seeing the baby. She may have arrived in TN expecting to bring the child home, and told the BF the Texas story to cover her tracks after forcibly taking the child. That might explain why the other kids were taken pending judicial review.

She didn't speak English, I'm married to a Mexican and know lots of illegal, non English speaking people. Hardly any of them have or use internet.

LE hasn't said anything that indicates this mother is anything but a victim.
First by the woman who stabbed her and took her child, then by Child Welfare when they stole all 4 of her children.

 

[MomofBoys]

then by Child Welfare when they stole all 4 of her children.

How do we know that, though? I'm assuming (and perhaps I'm naive) that they wouldn't bring four kids into custody without cause, particularly in a case likely to get attention like this one. Circumventing the bonding process is huge, and it makes me think they have to have something on this woman. Maybe the abduction investigation led to some other revelations. Maybe she beats her kids. We just don't know. I'd like to think all is up and up and she truly is a victim, but some cases make my hinky radar blip and some don't. This one is off, IMHO.

 

[SuziQ]

The below linked article has some good information. Evidently she rented a car from the Nashville airport then returned it to the Huntsville airport where her BF picked her up. Also an FBI agent said there was no ongoing threat to the family and could not say why the kids were taken by the state. In another article yesterday the same agent went so far as to state the baby has been gone from his mother half his life and needs to be returned to her now.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=8117278

 

[CHICANA]

How do we know that, though? I'm assuming (and perhaps I'm naive) that they wouldn't bring four kids into custody without cause, particularly in a case likely to get attention like this one. Circumventing the bonding process is huge, and it makes me think they have to have something on this woman. Maybe the abduction investigation led to some other revelations. Maybe she beats her kids. We just don't know. I'd like to think all is up and up and she truly is a victim, but some cases make my hinky radar blip and some don't. This one is off, IMHO.

What do they have ? It's sad that they can take a child and have everyone speculating that this parent has done something wrong without giving a reason.
LE says she was followed from a WIC office and they don't know why the children were taken.
CPS has too much power. I have a hunch that they're going with failure to protect because she 1. opened the door to a stranger and 2. left them to go to the neigbors for help. I don't know what the circumstances were, but IMO, she knew she couldn't save them on her own. She was also bleeding and likely in shock. The kidnapper took her phone so she couldn't call for help, I really don't know if she had any other options. From what I've read she is a victim and hasn't been accused of anything. The only thing I find hinky is that they took all her kids, and unless there's evidence that she had something to do with it, that was just plain wrong.