UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #8

[Yozzer]

Hello all,

2) Did they ever trace the man captured on the bus CCTV who apparently bore a resemblance to the man seen arguing with (possibly) Claudia in the early hours? The image of that person was far too clear for nobody to have recognised him.
Any info regarding those 2 things would be much appreciated. In the meantime I am going to purchase ‘Gone’ as I’ve never read that.

Re bus man - it says here he came forward of his own accord apparently in July 2009. Another one to cross off the list.
Enquiry into bus passenger eliminated

 

[keep-it-real]

So could it be she was desperate for love? Or to find a loving partner? I had a couple of friends who are really lovely women but were desperate for a loving long standing partner when younger and used to sleep with whoever they met on first day (which didn't happen frequently) and always the men got what was on offer for a period of time then and moved on after a while. Both remained single women all their lives to this date. Yet all they wanted was love. I know a third one who was also desperate for same thing and would sleep with anyone interested and one took advantage and pretended to love her and strung her along. Also there were men from another community you wouldn't expect her to mix with (ie like its suggested with Claudia) and that brought trouble and strife with two wives both visiting her house bringing young people (teenage children?) with them to intimidate her to stop and leave their men alone. I know many women don't chose to behave like this do this but its clear I have known a few who have and in my opinion they were all lovely women who just wanted permanent love. Is that all that Claudia wanted I wonder? JMO. EDIT: I've just realised. All the women I've referred to above were fun loving, partying, loving a laugh women.

I think every woman wants to be loved. But if we look more closely at Claudia's relationship history at the age of 20 she entered into a relationship/affair with Irishman Paddy McGinty a Mail on Sunday article June 2009 reports they were together for 10 years
Builder Paddy McGinty, 46, met Miss Lawrence when she was 20 years old and was with her for 10 years.
He goes on to say in that 2009 article that they broke up about 5 years before so that puts her at about age 30 yrs
After the break up she moved to Heworth Road.
Where much has been made of the number of sexual relationships she had when she lived at Heworth Road I would be interested to know how she conducted herself whilst in the relationship with Paddy because she was clearly emotionally invested in it and was said to have taken the break up quite badly.
So now you have a young woman of 30 to all intense and purposes single again. 10 years of commitment on her part seeing her friends settle down and start a families and she's left with little more than memories and a broken heart.
A job and house move was probably a sensible move for her. The move put her a few doors down from the local pub with an already established group of regulars being a newcomer for this reason she obviously attracted some attention. As female friendships cemented with SC and JK its no great surprise she spent some of her socialising there.
Unfortunately as with some of the socialising drinks flowed which affects people differently some people more relaxed some a pain in the *advertiser censored* some become aggressive some get flirty and a bit touchy feely. Its no surprise liasons/relationships happen and they probably happen with people you wouldnt necessarily have an attraction too. Its quite simply because they are there.
Paddy Mcginty also said in the article she was vulnerable when she had had a drink.
We know she had a relationship with her boyfriend Dan for about 18 months (correct me if Im wrong) but the relationship ended due to the travelling distance. I dont know if she was faithful to Dan and it would be wrong of me to surmise but surely what we must consider here is that theres a very small window of time for all these other alledged relationships to have occurred.
Certainly we are told by SC JK her parents sisters and other people that knew her that she wasnt the maneater she had been made out to be in the press, and to my knowledge no one has come forward from her past life (before she moved to Heworth rd) saying anything different.
I have always said I like to keep an open mind when looking at this case and through everything thats thrown into the mix about Claudia and her love life I am asking myself who really were these people making these allegations about her love life. As for Ray Galloways comments .. well who knows where all that came from was he trying to flush out more information based on gossip he had heard from someone. Or could it be like some of the other elemnents in the case this particular subject wasn't investigated thoroughly enough and it had had been may well have been found to be groundless.
A rumour here a piece of gossip there and before you know it its blown.. Its a runaway train and theres no stopping it.
I continue to look at every aspect of Claudias life and through all is that out there if you take a measured approach and not get on that runaway train. She was just an ordinary young woman with a similar life to most other young women we know.
Unfortunately her choice of the NH as a social hub was prob not a good move for someone recovering from a break up but it was her choice.
I my opinion her story suffers because of the shenanigans of certain people that frequented the NH.
But for all that in my opinion her disappearance is not connected to the NH crowd

 

[Yozzer]

From same article...(for those who don't know 'Nouse' is a York University publication):
This is intriguing....from her best friend SC in March 2010. 'Confused' suggests she was stunned to learn this information - presumably NYP would have named the York man to Peter L. Would they, or PL, have raised his name with SC? After all she was a close friend. She seems hurt by this revelation.
https://nouse.ams3.cdn.digitalocean...cant-new-lead-in-claudia-lawrence-inquiry.pdf

Miss Cooper said she was also confused by this week’s revelation that police knew Miss Lawrence to have been in a casual relationship with a man from York. She said: “I didn’t know Claudia was seeing someone casually. I thought I knew everything about her, and then I found out that I didn’t. “That is hard for me to accept, but now I’ve thought about it in realistic terms, it’s not actually that unusual. She didn’t have to tell me everything.”

 

[Yozzer]

We know she had a relationship with her boyfriend Dan for about 18 months (correct me if Im wrong) but the relationship ended due to the travelling distance.

I also read that DW had not long come out of a long term relationship and didn't want to settle down. Here is an article about it:
Missing chef Claudia Lawrence's only serious boyfriend breaks his silence
Dan says he and Claudia split because she wanted to settle but he was still scarred from the break-up of a five-year relationship before he met her. They agreed to stay in touch as friends. “She would text me every couple of months,” he says.

But this remark struck me:

Dan adds: “When I first heard Claudia had gone missing I thought she’d be off drinking on her own somewhere. But after a while it was clear that something very sinister had happened. “Poor Claudia – she just seemed so unlucky with men.”

 

[Popejohn3]

Gone page 136
Why did peter and Martin visited and handed leaflets with her picture at Malton her home town, Stalybridge and Huddersfield ? And in February 2010 even went to Manchester Piccadilly plus Liverpool . Btw these are train stations . This suggests to me that the police and family have massive gaps in Claudia’s footprints ie they do not know for sure where she has been... could not account her whereabouts when she was not working !

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Gone page 136
Why did peter and Martin visited and handed leaflets with her picture at Malton her home town, Stalybridge and Huddersfield ? And in February 2010 even went to Manchester Piccadilly plus Liverpool . Btw these are train stations . This suggests to me that the police and family have massive gaps in Claudia’s footprints ie they do not know for sure where she has been... could not account her whereabouts when she was not working !

Huddersfield again .... (home town of killer CH's father).

 

[Popejohn3]

I think every woman wants to be loved. But if we look more closely at Claudia's relationship history at the age of 20 she entered into a relationship/affair with Irishman Paddy McGinty a Mail on Sunday article June 2009 reports they were together for 10 years
Builder Paddy McGinty, 46, met Miss Lawrence when she was 20 years old and was with her for 10 years.
He goes on to say in that 2009 article that they broke up about 5 years before so that puts her at about age 30 yrs
After the break up she moved to Heworth Road.
Where much has been made of the number of sexual relationships she had when she lived at Heworth Road I would be interested to know how she conducted herself whilst in the relationship with Paddy because she was clearly emotionally invested in it and was said to have taken the break up quite badly.
So now you have a young woman of 30 to all intense and purposes single again. 10 years of commitment on her part seeing her friends settle down and start a families and she's left with little more than memories and a broken heart.
A job and house move was probably a sensible move for her. The move put her a few doors down from the local pub with an already established group of regulars being a newcomer for this reason she obviously attracted some attention. As female friendships cemented with SC and JK its no great surprise she spent some of her socialising there.
Unfortunately as with some of the socialising drinks flowed which affects people differently some people more relaxed some a pain in the *advertiser censored* some become aggressive some get flirty and a bit touchy feely. Its no surprise liasons/relationships happen and they probably happen with people you wouldnt necessarily have an attraction too. Its quite simply because they are there.
Paddy Mcginty also said in the article she was vulnerable when she had had a drink.
We know she had a relationship with her boyfriend Dan for about 18 months (correct me if Im wrong) but the relationship ended due to the travelling distance. I dont know if she was faithful to Dan and it would be wrong of me to surmise but surely what we must consider here is that theres a very small window of time for all these other alledged relationships to have occurred.
Certainly we are told by SC JK her parents sisters and other people that knew her that she wasnt the maneater she had been made out to be in the press, and to my knowledge no one has come forward from her past life (before she moved to Heworth rd) saying anything different.
I have always said I like to keep an open mind when looking at this case and through everything thats thrown into the mix about Claudia and her love life I am asking myself who really were these people making these allegations about her love life. As for Ray Galloways comments .. well who knows where all that came from was he trying to flush out more information based on gossip he had heard from someone. Or could it be like some of the other elemnents in the case this particular subject wasn't investigated thoroughly enough and it had had been may well have been found to be groundless.
A rumour here a piece of gossip there and before you know it its blown.. Its a runaway train and theres no stopping it.
I continue to look at every aspect of Claudias life and through all is that out there if you take a measured approach and not get on that runaway train. She was just an ordinary young woman with a similar life to most other young women we know.
Unfortunately her choice of the NH as a social hub was prob not a good move for someone recovering from a break up but it was her choice.
I my opinion her story suffers because of the shenanigans of certain people that frequented the NH.
But for all that in my opinion her disappearance is not connected to the NH crowd

And by moonsafari liking your piece especially the last sentence implies she agrees with you !
Am I right Moonsafari?

 

[moonsafari]

And by moonsafari liking your piece especially the last sentence implies she agrees with you !
Am I right Moonsafari?

I'm acknowledging the post and the other that it replies to

 

[Officer Dibble]

No she did not ( as far as I know ) advertise on Craigslist for lodgers !

Thanks for clearing this up - we've been going around in circles over this. I thought Craigslist was only in America.

 

[keep-it-real]

Thanks for clearing this up - we've been going around in circles over this. I thought Craigslist was only in America.

The University of York's website page offers guidance to students for private sector rentals. Although most of these rentals are a 52 week lets for students who require shorter lets they recommend their student advert service or the external Spare Room and Homestay websites:
If Claudia had signed up for one of these it could explain the sightings of males at her door ( the man on phone with straight cut fringe.. and two asian men seen at her door)
Not all accommodation viewings proceed to a let being agreed so if these men were not seen again it wouldnt be surprising
But I think its possible this short term let option would provide Claudia with an additional occassional income.
Private sector housing

 

[keep-it-real]

And by moonsafari liking your piece especially the last sentence implies she agrees with you !
Am I right Moonsafari?

If you remember the account of the female barmaid at the NH recalled how she had had witnessed indiscretions by other females in the pub but pointed out that she had not seen such indiscretions from Claudia

 

[Popejohn3]

If you remember the account of the female barmaid at the NH recalled how she had had witnessed indiscretions by other females in the pub but pointed out that she had not seen such indiscretions from Claudia

I hope you realise that ‘sozzeled Claudia ‘ was. ‘ written ‘ by moonsafari !

 

[keep-it-real]

I hope you realise that ‘sozzeled Claudia ‘ was. ‘ written ‘ by moonsafari !

I had seen reference to that on this thread from others but not directly from Moonsafari.. so in view of this I would always er on the side of the 'privacy' of the poster

 

[Popejohn3]

I had seen reference to that on this thread from others but not directly from Moonsafari.. so in view of this I would always er on the side of the 'privacy' of the poster

I’m sure Moonsafari will soon oblige .

 

[moonsafari]

The University of York's website page offers guidance to students for private sector rentals. Although most of these rentals are a 52 week lets for students who require shorter lets they recommend their student advert service or the external Spare Room and Homestay websites:
If Claudia had signed up for one of these it could explain the sightings of males at her door ( the man on phone with straight cut fringe.. and two asian men seen at her door)
Not all accommodation viewings proceed to a let being agreed so if these men were not seen again it wouldnt be surprising
But I think its possible this short term let option would provide Claudia with an additional occassional income.
Private sector housing

If that's true she probably needed to get rid of the sunbed in her spare room or move it elsewhere in the house. All of which requires help possibly not if it had been moved just across the landing if it had wheels etc. It depends on the size of her bedroom/the landing area. If she was going to get rid, did she sell it or arrange for it to be taken somewhere? Which would involve a vehicle. Could she have had an accident while doing so?

Could any of the sightings have been either a hired person by someone with knowledge about C's private life looking for revenge w cunning and perhaps contacts to cover their tracks, or someone who may or may not have gotten the wrong end of a stick, and was suspicious due to gossip about Claudia? Did someone take advantage of this suspicion for their own ends, even if not directly involved?

 

[Popejohn3]

If that's true she probably needed to get rid of the sunbed in her spare room or move it elsewhere in the house. All of which requires help possibly not if it had been moved just across the landing if it had wheels etc. It depends on the size of her bedroom/the landing area. If she was going to get rid, did she sell it or arrange for it to be taken somewhere? Which would involve a vehicle. Could she have had an accident while doing so?

Could any of the sightings have been either a hired person by someone with knowledge about C's private life looking for revenge w cunning and perhaps contacts to cover their tracks, or someone who may or may not have gotten the wrong end of a stick, and was suspicious due to gossip about Claudia? Did someone take advantage of this suspicion for their own ends, even if not directly involved?

Re sun bed we know that Jen stayed with her for one year !

 

[Yozzer]

If that's true she probably needed to get rid of the sunbed in her spare room or move it elsewhere in the house. All of which requires help possibly not if it had been moved just across the landing if it had wheels etc. It depends on the size of her bedroom/the landing area. If she was going to get rid, did she sell it or arrange for it to be taken somewhere? Which would involve a vehicle. Could she have had an accident while doing so?

Could any of the sightings have been either a hired person by someone with knowledge about C's private life looking for revenge w cunning and perhaps contacts to cover their tracks, or someone who may or may not have gotten the wrong end of a stick, and was suspicious due to gossip about Claudia? Did someone take advantage of this suspicion for their own ends, even if not directly involved?

Good point re the sunbed filling up the second bedroom. I'm sure the sunbed was still in situ on photos that were issued so it appears to have been used as a spare room not a bedroom.

 

[Yozzer]

Re sun bed we know that Jen stayed with her for one year !

Pre sunbed perhaps.

 

[Popejohn3]

When Jen says Claudia used to have lodgers I believe her . How many and how long for and how much she charged only her family know I would imagine and the lodgers themselves of course !

 

[Deleted member 102539]

When Jen says Claudia used to have lodgers I believe her . How many and how long for and how much she charged only her family know I would imagine and the lodgers themselves of course !

"Shy" Claudia and changing unknown male lodgers - that seems to be strange and even risky. IMO