Wasn't sure what the difference between psychopaths and sociopaths was so found this explanation. IS is definitiely a psychopath
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #5
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
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Seriously...how can he even think any of this could ever work in his favour.
They were in his house a number of times yet no fingerprints
They gave him a phone (why as they'd already contacted him umpteen times on his phone) which mysteriously no one has seen
They move the Jeep yet no finger prints
The meeting in margate which I presume wasn't caught on cctv
Miraculously they swap from needing a lever arch file to needing Helens phone
Not to mention the fact that they are oh so polite.
Does he think if her spins such a ludicrous yarn that if (when) he is found guilty he can go down the "it's not me it my mental health guv" route??
I mean if it was me in this situation rather than creating fictitious people and kidnap plots I'd have kept it simple - shed been taking my tablets and od'd, I panicked cos things hadn't been going great between us so rather than fess up I hid her and said she'd gone away for a few days but it all snowballed... Obviously the snagging point to that would be Boris but you get the gist
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They were in his house a number of times yet no fingerprints
They gave him a phone (why as they'd already contacted him umpteen times on his phone) which mysteriously no one has seen
They move the Jeep yet no finger prints
The meeting in margate which I presume wasn't caught on cctv
Miraculously they swap from needing a lever arch file to needing Helens phone
Not to mention the fact that they are oh so polite.
Does he think if her spins such a ludicrous yarn that if (when) he is found guilty he can go down the "it's not me it my mental health guv" route??
I mean if it was me in this situation rather than creating fictitious people and kidnap plots I'd have kept it simple - shed been taking my tablets and od'd, I panicked cos things hadn't been going great between us so rather than fess up I hid her and said she'd gone away for a few days but it all snowballed... Obviously the snagging point to that would be Boris but you get the gist
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Thanks Milly
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Well he didn't disappoint. He's still as mental as yesterday. Lies trip off his tongue so easily that I imagine he's been doing this all his life and getting away with it.
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The 'Oooh look' bit reminds me of this image I spotted last Thanksgiving - hopefully to make some of you smile. Lord knows we need something!
Wouldn't you given the chance? :slap:
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DC Haines told quite a different version in court. The relevant parts are as follows:
"If searches are going to take place, you wouldn't find anything in the garage".
When they arrived, Daines said IS told her he had considered suicide. "He appeared to be anxious and uncomfortable with what we were asking of him.
According to a statement read to the court, he told police, If Helen does come back, I don't think I want to be with her any more.
On the conclusion of the interview and when the machines were switched off, Stewart said, Am I still the main suspect? I must be. I must be a suspect. We explained he wasnt a suspect, but he was a key witness.
There was a discussion about press conferences. We asked Stewart if he wanted to do an appeal to find Helen. He wasnt keen on the idea. He felt the media would twist anything he would have said and that a no would soon end up being a yes.
Searches around the area had been taken place. He said he felt he should be informed of any searches taking place that included searches to his house as he felt like he hadnt been told anything.
Then he said Well, maybe you dont want to tell me as you want to surprise me, catch me off guard. We explained to him that this wasnt the case. We were trying to get as much information about Helens lifestyle. Once the interview was finished he became much less anxious. He started to crack some jokes with us. ...
I found his behaviour generally unexpected at times. Hed already snapped at me a couple of times when I asked him to do an interview, he grinned at me I found that quite odd. I found him rude and dismissive. I felt a certain unease about it.
DC Haines told quite a different version in court. The relevant parts are as follows:
"If searches are going to take place, you wouldn't find anything in the garage".
When they arrived, Daines said IS told her he had considered suicide. "He appeared to be anxious and uncomfortable with what we were asking of him.
According to a statement read to the court, he told police, If Helen does come back, I don't think I want to be with her any more.
On the conclusion of the interview and when the machines were switched off, Stewart said, Am I still the main suspect? I must be. I must be a suspect. We explained he wasnt a suspect, but he was a key witness.
There was a discussion about press conferences. We asked Stewart if he wanted to do an appeal to find Helen. He wasnt keen on the idea. He felt the media would twist anything he would have said and that a no would soon end up being a yes.
Searches around the area had been taken place. He said he felt he should be informed of any searches taking place that included searches to his house as he felt like he hadnt been told anything.
Then he said Well, maybe you dont want to tell me as you want to surprise me, catch me off guard. We explained to him that this wasnt the case. We were trying to get as much information about Helens lifestyle. Once the interview was finished he became much less anxious. He started to crack some jokes with us. ...
I found his behaviour generally unexpected at times. Hed already snapped at me a couple of times when I asked him to do an interview, he grinned at me I found that quite odd. I found him rude and dismissive. I felt a certain unease about it.
I wish you would give us some more of your insights into the personality type!
This is why I did not buy the objection that other people would have realised IS was a psycho
My own experience with a psycho is that everyone else loves them.
Indeed it is only my most perceptive contact who confided in me that he thought this person was "very difficult to get along with"
People are shocked to find out the stuff that psycho has done.
Most of the time they don't believe it or find a way to rationalise it.
i.e. it must have been my fault.
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So Helen was supposedly being held against her will and he expected her to take a stroll to an internet cafe? Perleeease!
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But the police found it packed up in a box, so it wasn't in use.
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Thanks. It does sound just like him doesn't it
Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.
When committing crimes, psychopaths carefully plan out every detail in advance and often have contingency plans in place. Unlike their sociopathic counterparts, psychopathic criminals are cool, calm, and meticulous. Their crimes, whether violent or non-violent, will be highly organized and generally offer few clues for authorities to pursue. Intelligentpsychopaths make excellent white-collar criminals and "con artists" due to their calm and charismatic natures.
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If any of them were doubting that he did it,I think his storytelling has just convinced them that he did
that's been my belief.
too risky to take it to spain in case they took the chance to turn him over at customs
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This is not only ludicrous and an insult to Helen. Two years ago today a lovely 18 year old boy killed himself by throwing himself under a train nearby at Meldreth farm crossing. He and his parents had been let down by mental health services whereas this ghastly character was playing them for all he was worth.
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No. He must be allowed to testify.
...yes DollyDiamond, and the catchphrase would be 'shut that garage door'.
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