2010.09.07 - Ron talking to LE per AH on JVM

[azwriter]

That answer is simple; it's all about Ron to Teresa and Annette Sykes. They are scared stiff that not only is Ron going down but they may go with him.

Well Lone, It looks like once again you and I were seperated at birth. I have noticed that TN rarely steps into the spotlight to beg the public to help find her granddaughter. Instead she is always on hand to protect Ronald. IMO, she works very hard to sway public opinion about her son and how miserable he is without his daughter. By doing that she's also protecting herself.

I wonder...has she even seen the drug deal videos where he sneaks a pill from the stash he just received from the undercover cop? Was he upset then about losing Haleigh?

All your posts so far on this thread are ones I completely agree with, Lone.

JMO

 

[krkrjx]

moo: I believe that it wasn't the plan originally to frame JO. I still think the plan was to frame the croslins. The plan chanced recently because 2 other witnesses are saying JO did it, and so why not agree with that since that seed has already been planted. May be easier to make that story stick.

Exactly!

Framing JO was not their original plan but one can see how easy it might have been for them to frame him had they thought of it in the beginning! They are now trying to frame him, but the stories being told are not consistent from one person to the next so it is not working out well for them. The "Joe did it" theory evolved and just gained momentum over time. But with them locked up, conspiring is a bit more difficult.

Likely the next thing we will hear is that Ron has 'conceded' that he believes Joe did it. But since I do not believe Joe did it, I believe there is no evidence that Joe did it. But if this ever goes to trial they will use the "Joe did it" theory to cast reasonable doubt, IMO.

Reasonable doubt is more of a thought process based on the power of suggestion than a process supported by facts.

 

[Amster]

LOL, Don't be surprise if LE comes out saying that they did not consider the text and phone calls as anything of interest to the case and therefore did not see any reason to follow up.

I won't be surprised...I'll be STABBY! :furious:

 

[Kimster]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That same man you see there weeping, Ron, now a year and a half or more after his daughter disappeared, is now finally giving police useful information about the timeline of that fateful night.

Could Ron be throwing cold water on Misty`s story that Haleigh was violently snatched from the family trailer? All over a semiautomatic rifle that someone couldn`t find? In any event, why would the desperate dad wait until now to give up such critical info?

Straight out to investigative journalist Art Harris. Art, what is the very latest on this head-spinning case?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Jane, I can tell you that Ronald Cummings has told law enforcement about a timeline and about phone calls Misty made that night. So -- or actually that he made that night. And they are trying to put together new information he`s given them. And that has resulted in a request to interview Misty Cummings -- Misty Croslin again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we all know that police can obtain phone records. They don`t need him to tell them what calls he made. And we`ve heard reports that he made something like 90 phone calls to Misty that night, which we all found very bizarre, like...

HARRIS: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Before he knew that his daughter was missing, he`s making 90 calls to her?

HARRIS: Calls and texts, now I`m told.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Calls and texts. So...

HARRIS: The actual calls, I`m told, are closer to 25. But I got clarification on that today, Jane.

However, what`s interesting is that they wanted to know about all the relationships between him and all the people involved who were supposedly at the trailer that night.

And they especially were interested to learn that what he had told them earlier about a phone call he made to Misty`s parents` house that night was not to ask Tommy to go check on her. This is -- of course blows Tommy`s, you know, story -- the story he told originally. Of course Tommy has refuted that, as well. But it shows that Ronald at least was telling the truth at that point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Tommy`s lawyers. Tommy Croslin`s lawyer told us Tommy and his cousin, Joe, had plans to go deer hunting...

HARRIS: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... the night Haleigh vanished. And that`s why they went to Ron`s trailer to get his big weapon. Listen to this briefly.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES WERTER, TOMMY CROSLIN`S ATTORNEY: The gun wasn`t there. Tommy was sitting on the couch. Tommy, yes, was high. Joe went off the deep end, went into that back room. Tommy didn`t see exactly what happened. Joe comes out with Haleigh, goes into the car, tells Tommy to get in the car. Joe has a very violent temper, from what Tommy tells me, and this is what he grew up with.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So Art Harris, does Ron not believe that story?

HARRIS: Ronald, his lawyer told me today, Jane, believes that Misty is the key, just like law enforcement does. And, you know, he does concede that there was a fight over a gun. But we are going to wait and see what happens when he goes to sentencing June -- September 24. <snipped>

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/07/ijvm.01.html

(Lonetraveler, they are up now! :wink

 

[azwriter]

bolded by me..

yes...I agree...this gunfight is connected...

If it was not connected..at the beginning. Ron could have easily admitted to it..

There was a reason..he denied it...He denied it every time it was asked of him..

Refresh my memory....Did TN deny the fight as well??? It seems she did, too.
If so.....Why????

If I remember correctly, justus, TN did mention a fight but Ron immediately denied there was one. Anyone else recall it this way?

jmo

 

[justus4all]

[/B]
Glad to see you put that print krkrjx. Now, what else did Ronald lie about?

He now agrees Misty is the key? Why of course she is. She knows she was given a script to help cover the real story but I don't think she knows the real story. Only what she was told by Ron and his mother.
I'm with Lone, I believe Misty was not at the mobile home till much later in the night. JMO

bolded by me...

IMO...Ron ..and TN ...are the "directors"...in this "soap opera"..and everyone else had "bit" parts...and were the supporting cast....

Giving them bit parts to play...wove them into this tangled mess..and now they are involved...

Making them involved and an accessory to it..would guarentee..their silence as to what really happened...

The LE needs to "drop the curtain" and close this act down for good...

IMO...Misty ...may have been over at the Magnolia residence...perhaps partying..with "others"....(Tommy)...and was called by TN to come babysit....to get her into her 'role"..and hand her the "script"...

What is odd to me....If Misty has been silent and has not pointed her finger at TN...NOT ONCE.....why would TN say she would like to see Misty hanged in a public square....???? It seems to me she would not say anything to anger Misty...for Misty could retaliate....and talk....

Perhaps that is why TN added to that comment...that Misty could not be believed..she has lied so much...IN CASE Misty was to provide the "real story"...At least of what she really knew...

Perhaps that is why Ron is now saying...Misty is the key..and pointing his finger her way....Is it to threaten her..not to talk...about TN???..He could make her ...still.....do his wishes...even behind bars...?????

all in my own opinion....

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Exactly!

Framing JO was not their original plan but one can see how easy it might have been for them to frame him had they thought of it in the beginning! They are now trying to frame him, but the stories being told are not consistent from one person to the next so it is not working out well for them. The "Joe did it" theory evolved and just gained momentum over time. But with them locked up, conspiring is a bit more difficult.

Likely the next thing we will hear is that Ron has 'conceded' that he believes Joe did it. But since I do not believe Joe did it, I believe there is no evidence that Joe did it. But if this ever goes to trial they will use the "Joe did it" theory to cast reasonable doubt, IMO.

Reasonable doubt is more of a thought process based on the power of suggestion than a process supported by facts.

BBM...So, if there is enough reasonable doubt that neither Misty or Ron did it, they will get off. And since there is no evidence that JO did it, he will get off, And Ron has immunity! What a :croc:

 

[blazeofglory]

ive thought the same about getting messages to them like the first message to them was to prepare for a funeral..which le and cs said they did not say that..i also think jos facebook statement is what was said to him maybe for a gun in exchange

 

[bessie]

VELEZ-MITCHELL:
And they especially were interested to learn that what he had told them earlier about a phone call he made to Misty`s parents` house that night was not to ask Tommy to go check on her. This is -- of course blows Tommy`s, you know, story -- the story he told originally. Of course Tommy has refuted that, as well. But it shows that Ronald at least was telling the truth at that point.

So I guess the point is that Tommy had some other reason for being at the MH. When Tommy recanted his claim that Ronald asked him to check on Misty, does anyone remember if he gave another reason for being there? Or did he say he wasn't there at all? Now I've got to go dig up that information...ugh.

 

[krkrjx]

BBM...So, if there is enough reasonable doubt that neither Misty or Ron did it, they will get off. And since there is no evidence that JO did it, he will get off, And Ron has immunity! What a :croc:

I have not heard that Ron has immunity.

But I do believe that with all the stories that have been told, if lieu of a verifiable confession, or irrefutable evidence that points directly at one or more persons, anyone charged would get off on reasonable doubt.

 

[Amster]

So....did Lindsy lie about Tommy being home that night? Cooking dinner, watching TV, yada, yada, yada....:banghead:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That same man you see there weeping, Ron, now a year and a half or more after his daughter disappeared, is now finally giving police useful information about the timeline of that fateful night.

Could Ron be throwing cold water on Misty`s story that Haleigh was violently snatched from the family trailer? All over a semiautomatic rifle that someone couldn`t find? In any event, why would the desperate dad wait until now to give up such critical info?

Straight out to investigative journalist Art Harris. Art, what is the very latest on this head-spinning case?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Jane, I can tell you that Ronald Cummings has told law enforcement about a timeline and about phone calls Misty made that night. So -- or actually that he made that night. And they are trying to put together new information he`s given them. And that has resulted in a request to interview Misty Cummings -- Misty Croslin again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we all know that police can obtain phone records. They don`t need him to tell them what calls he made. And we`ve heard reports that he made something like 90 phone calls to Misty that night, which we all found very bizarre, like...

HARRIS: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Before he knew that his daughter was missing, he`s making 90 calls to her?

HARRIS: Calls and texts, now I`m told.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Calls and texts. So...

HARRIS: The actual calls, I`m told, are closer to 25. But I got clarification on that today, Jane.

However, what`s interesting is that they wanted to know about all the relationships between him and all the people involved who were supposedly at the trailer that night.

And they especially were interested to learn that what he had told them earlier about a phone call he made to Misty`s parents` house that night was not to ask Tommy to go check on her. This is -- of course blows Tommy`s, you know, story -- the story he told originally. Of course Tommy has refuted that, as well. But it shows that Ronald at least was telling the truth at that point.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Tommy`s lawyers. Tommy Croslin`s lawyer told us Tommy and his cousin, Joe, had plans to go deer hunting...

HARRIS: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... the night Haleigh vanished. And that`s why they went to Ron`s trailer to get his big weapon. Listen to this briefly.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES WERTER, TOMMY CROSLIN`S ATTORNEY: The gun wasn`t there. Tommy was sitting on the couch. Tommy, yes, was high. Joe went off the deep end, went into that back room. Tommy didn`t see exactly what happened. Joe comes out with Haleigh, goes into the car, tells Tommy to get in the car. Joe has a very violent temper, from what Tommy tells me, and this is what he grew up with.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So Art Harris, does Ron not believe that story?

HARRIS: Ronald, his lawyer told me today, Jane, believes that Misty is the key, just like law enforcement does. And, you know, he does concede that there was a fight over a gun. But we are going to wait and see what happens when he goes to sentencing June -- September 24. <snipped>

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/07/ijvm.01.html

(Lonetraveler, they are up now! :wink

BBB...I may be wrong, but is Ron the one that told LE he called TC to check on Misty, or did someone else tell that to LE. And it sees that AH is also on the "look how honest Ron is" bandwagon. Ugh!

 

[cyberborg]

[Respectfully snipped]

Reasonable doubt is more of a thought process based on the power of suggestion than a process supported by facts.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

This is a great sig line, for the Caylee case as well!

 

[grandmaj]

Don't forget Hank is in jail also. Could be that Hank is also helping to connect the dots of the night Haleigh went missing.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I have not heard that Ron has immunity.

But I do believe that with all the stories that have been told, if lieu of a verifiable confession, or irrefutable evidence that points directly at one or more persons, anyone charged would get off on reasonable doubt.

This really is making me ill...and confused. Nite everyone. Tomorrow is another day.:crazy:

 

[dodie20]

This is interesting but didn't Ron say all along that his only reason to call Tommy was to find out if Misty was there at his house. Not to ask Tommy to go to the mobile home?

If that's the case all it would mean is that if Tommy went to the mobile home it was his own idea to check on Misty. jmo

yeah, but why would Tommy lie? why not just say that he decided to on his own, go see if Misty was home? & since he obviously lied about why he was there, it's safe to assume that he might be lieing about what happened, once he got there. & since he has now been placed at his folk's house, it's only natural to wonder if LE has any evidence pointing to the crime happening there. & if he took Ron's call from a landline, & his original statement matches the phone record, then he can't very well separate himself from that original statement now. I'm guessing that LE has some evidence from that area that we don't know about, & it looks like Tommy has placed himself in the wrong place at the wrong time...& is now trying to squirm out of it.That's what he gets for throwing Misty under the bus, & lieing about Ron. & I'm assuming it is a lie, because he is now scrambling away from that statement. But all of this on my part, is just a bunch of guessing, & MOO.

 

[dodie20]

Don't forget Hank is in jail also. Could be that Hank is also helping to connect the dots of the night Haleigh went missing.

My feeling on Hank is that he's the most depressed person, I've ever seen. & there's gotta be a reason for that. Either he knows what happened, or he suspects, & he knows his kids better than anybody, so...he might very well, be able to help LE. But, if that means turning on his kids, I don't see it happening. not willingly, anyway.

 

[dodie20]

BBB...I may be wrong, but is Ron the one that told LE he called TC to check on Misty, or did someone else tell that to LE. And it sees that AH is also on the "look how honest Ron is" bandwagon. Ugh!

when Tommy was previously arrested & held on a high bond, he told cops that Ron called him & asked him to go & see if Misty was home. He claims to have banged on the door, got no answer from the dark empty house, so he left. This 'verified' LE's claim that Misty was not at the trailer, & Tommy's bond was lowered, & he was released. When questioned, Ron admitted to the call, but said that he only asked if Misty was there, & did NOT ask Tommy to go to the trailer. As far as I know, Tommy never refuted Ron's claim, but he has been changing his story.

 

[Kat]

I have nothing to add to this discussion.

I read the entire thread and thank everyone for their insights. Sincerely.

My heart is in my shoes. For Haleigh.

It makes me sigh. Haleigh that poor baby.

 

[bessie]

yeah, but why would Tommy lie? why not just say that he decided to on his own, go see if Misty was home? & since he obviously lied about why he was there, it's safe to assume that he might be lieing about what happened, once he got there. & since he has now been placed at his folk's house, it's only natural to wonder if LE has any evidence pointing to the crime happening there. & if he took Ron's call from a landline, & his original statement matches the phone record, then he can't very well separate himself from that original statement now. I'm guessing that LE has some evidence from that area that we don't know about, & it looks like Tommy has placed himself in the wrong place at the wrong time...& is now trying to squirm out of it.That's what he gets for throwing Misty under the bus, & lieing about Ron. & I'm assuming it is a lie, because he is now scrambling away from that statement. But all of this on my part, is just a bunch of guessing, & MOO.

Tommy claims he originally told that story to get out of jail last September. LE grilled him for a couple of weeks when he was arrested on the stolen gun charge. As soon as he told them he'd gone to the MH and Misty wasn't there, his bond was reduced. The problem is since he placed himself at the scene, LE is going to hold him to it.